Political ads...

[maxcom]

Ellay, any way to filter out the "yes on 8" political BS? I don't want to see that isht when on a gaming forum. I know I can't be the only one. Thanks :)

[Skuggomann]

Downs, enny one?

[Ellay]

I've almost reached server costs for the next 3 months, so ads should be dropping shortly regardless :)

[Fuzzyboy]

adblock is your friend. Afaik the images are stille downloaded, so the host will get credit, but they arent displayed in your browser :-)

[Dominian]

Ellay, any way to filter out the "yes on 8" political BS? I don't want to see that isht when on a gaming forum. I know I can't be the only one. Thanks :)

Try to use that "Donate" button and see if they disapear.

[TheBigBB]

I'm pretty sure political ads will resolve themselves in about a day anyway.

[Liquidity]

Why do you want to silence someone you disagree with? It is just a view point. I think the answer is in you.

Just relax and let people express themselves. :)

[Zzc2]

Yeah whats with all the "yes on 8" shit. Living in California I already get enough of that crap just driving. Stupid Mormons. stick to the laws in your own damn state!

[Suvega]

Yeah whats with all the "yes on 8" shit. Living in California I already get enough of that crap just driving. Stupid Mormons. stick to the laws in your own damn state!This is probably the most ill-informed post I have ever seen. Perhaps you should look up what Prop 8 is before you open your month to speak again. Is has nothing to do with Mormons.

And regardless of your personal views, they don't belong here. Keep them to yourself or GTFO. Thank you, drive through.


I sense much anger in you. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to -suufffeerring-.
Suffering leads to teh DARK SIDE.

Wiser words from yoda.

[Prepared]

Can this post be put in another forum? It's not really about General boxing discussion is it?

[Schwarz]

A little off topic but recently in guild I have been trying to make WOW ties to political candidates.

ie
"Obama is for lowering the number of dailies you can do once you have an epic mount"
"Obama is for guild funded repair bills"
"Palin is the only person that can train you past 375 skinning"

Most of the ones are skewed toward my personal beliefs. I think it is funny and might get people thinking differently.

[Zzc2]

Ahhh yes, my post was just trying to get a rise out of anyone, its a boring Monday morning here.

I guess more information would be that most of the funding for prop 8 is coming from Utah from the Mormon church's. And the streets I take to get to work here in California have signs on the side of the street with "yes on 8" that are in the same type of advertisements as the ads in the forums. All those ad's are coming from the Mormon Church groups in Utah. Yes people are titled to their opinions and I respect that, but I just hate that people from ANOTHER state are trying to pass a law that bans gay marriage in California. The law in California only affects people in California!! So if a gay couple got married here, the state of Utah does not have to recognize it in their state!

/Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr


ok thats all.

edit: shouldn't this be in the off topic section?

[maxcom]

Sorry for posting in general :/ Ellay, glad to hear you've reached enough donations. While I agree in not censoring the ads, I don't think you can request to add "No on prop 8" into the mix for us californians. Anyone wanna make a "Keep Utah outa California" banner?

[Ualaa]

I right-click banners, and select open in a new tab.
I actually went to one of them, but usually just close them all down when I'm done checking this forum, my guild board and emails.

The content of the banner means very little.
If it interests you, check it out.
If it doesn't interest you, its a means to an ends.
And the end result is this excellent site, which is worthwhile.

I'd personally vote to leave the banners up indefinitely.
Not because I want the banners, but because this site is worthwhile.

[Dominian]

A little off topic but recently in guild I have been trying to make WOW ties to political candidates.

ie
"Obama is for lowering the number of dailies you can do once you have an epic mount"
"Obama is for guild funded repair bills"
"Palin is the only person that can train you past 375 skinning"

Most of the ones are skewed toward my personal beliefs. I think it is funny and might get people thinking differently.

winner

[Alemi]

Sorry for posting in general :/ Ellay, glad to hear you've reached enough donations. While I agree in not censoring the ads, I don't think you can request to add "No on prop 8" into the mix for us californians. Anyone wanna make a "Keep Utah outa California" banner?
Equal representation :)

I was actually going to make a similiar post after seeing the add as well. Since it's the ONLY add that's loading. My personal beliefs aside, I agree with Fur, I've been bomarbarded with this shit enough that I don't want to see it on a gaming site as well. Can we get some Xtenze adds or something? :)

Where you been hiding BTW maxxy?

[maxcom]

Sorry for posting in general :/ Ellay, glad to hear you've reached enough donations. While I agree in not censoring the ads, I don't think you can request to add "No on prop 8" into the mix for us californians. Anyone wanna make a "Keep Utah outa California" banner?
Equal representation :)

I was actually going to make a similiar post after seeing the add as well. Since it's the ONLY add that's loading. My personal beliefs aside, I agree with Fur, I've been bomarbarded with this shit enough that I don't want to see it on a gaming site as well. Can we get some Xtenze adds or something? :)

Where you been hiding BTW maxxy?haha im "taking a break" see the girlfriend post in off topic haha. glad to see youre around :)

[Zzc2]

didn't Xtenze get sued because it didnt work and didnt they have to stop their advertising because of it?
I thought i heard that somewhere.

[Xzin]

All the talk about Prop 8... what about Prop K?

[Alemi]

All the talk about Prop 8... what about Prop K?Isn't Prop K, San Fran proper only?

I would guess that it's because Prop 8 is statewide and one is municipality. We have a bunch of stupid Prop <insert letter here>'s on our ballot in LA proper.

[Xzin]

I honestly don't know much about how local it is but one would think it would be generating quite a bit of controversy as well. I guess prop 8 is a more controversial issue.

So prostitution is less of an issue than gay marriage? Because only gays could marry but everybody could theoretically go to a hooker?

[Coltimar]

I'm left wondering how this will effect the gay hooker market. Could be certain politicians are trying to bankrupt these poor folk!

[Toned]

Yeah whats with all the "yes on 8" shit. Living in California I already get enough of that crap just driving. Stupid Mormons. stick to the laws in your own damn state!This is probably the most ill-informed post I have ever seen. Perhaps you should look up what Prop 8 is before you open your month to speak again. Is has nothing to do with Mormons.

And regardless of your personal views, they don't belong here. Keep them to yourself or GTFO. Thank you, drive through.That's funny... I'm originally from Utah, and if you haven't heard. Prop 8 is being backed by the Mormon church they invested millions, and are having "good" mormons donate their time to call Californians and tell them to vote yes on 8. I know this because my grandparents are very Mormon.

Edit: When I say being backed I don't mean they started it, but they are supporting it.

[Tsunami]

If you don't like politics or political advertising than I would suggest moving to a different state. California loves to make everything a political issue and they are always changing their view on those issues. e.g. in S.F. they wanted to stop grocery stores from using paper bags because it would help to save trees. Now they want to eliminate plastic bags because they are filling our landfills, but paper bags are now a better alternative to plastic because they're made from recycled paper.

another example: in the 70's smog and pollution was blocking the suns rays and the world was heading towards the next ice age. so california pushed to stop making leaded gas and made all cars have catalytic converters. thus making car exhaust 96% cleaner. now 30 years later we are somehow heading toward global warming, because too many of the suns ray are hitting the earth. the solution to global warming than is to bring back leaded gas, just say no to kyoto.


everyone not living in california or New York city, we need to figure out how to get rid of these two groups that are the cause of most problems facing this nation.



p.s. I hope you guys/gals realize that your getting those "vote yes for prop 8" ads because you live in california. people in different regions of the country and the world get different ads. google is amazing in the way they can control web advertising. e.g. I am currently in thailand and i keep seeing ads for "purchasing property in india".


p.s.s. this should be in the off topics, but than fewer people would read it. the best way to kill this topic would be to make it a sticky or put it in the wiki.

[Tsunami]

One last thing.....


let the gays get married, why should they be the only ones happy.

[maxcom]

One last thing.....


let the gays get married, why should they be the only ones leveling.fixed :D
lol but i agree haha

[Zaelar]

another example: in the 70's smog and pollution was blocking the suns rays and the world was heading towards the next ice age. so california pushed to stop making leaded gas and made all cars have catalytic converters. thus making car exhaust 96% cleaner. now 30 years later we are somehow heading toward global warming, because too many of the suns ray are hitting the earth. the solution to global warming than is to bring back leaded gas, just say no to kyoto.

And these people have the same power in the system as sane voters.

[keyclone]

I sense much anger in you. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to -suufffeerring-.
Suffering leads to teh DARK SIDE.are you saying he plays horde?

:D

[Tsunami]

it's true i do believe in equality for all, what i don't believe in is a select minority imposing their will on the majority. the economical problems facing the u.s. this year are a direct result of a select few living in those two geographical locals.

besides New yorkers universal sense of superiority and love of all things new york, the U.S. economy has derailed because of excess and greed from a few investment banks headquartered in N.Y. city. (to simplify this post for everyone i will not go into great detail, just know i make my living as an investor) bear stearns, lehman brothers, goldman sachs, merril lynch and morgan stanley all manipulated the stock market to make huge profits and fortunes by selling assets with little or no value to less informed investors. which our gov't is now raising over $2 trillion trying to save our economy and stop a depression. (you can thank goldman sachs for the recent rise of gas from $2 a gallon to over $4). after the u.s. gov't wall street has the greatest influence on our economy. New York is the still the banking center of the world, and still the center for greed and excess.

lets not break up all of california, lets first work on the greater Los Angeles and the Bay area first. These two areas seem to be the starting point for a vast majority of well intentioned social and environmental issues. the problem with people with well intentions is they are never around to fix the unintended consequences their cause creates. Because CA has the most electoral college votes and members in the congress, what happens in CA eventually happens in the rest of the country. Since our gov't has a long history of screwing up everything they do(excluding the 6 things the constitution mandates that they actually do), the less that CA does the better the rest of the country will be. (our dependance on foreign oil is directly linked to CA ban on off shore drilling and oil exploration)

in summery, or trying to make a long post short, I don't want to banish these two groups of people from the planet, that would be wrong of me and against my belief that the few should not be allowed to make decisions on the many. I am just suggesting that the rest of the country would greatly benefit if these two groups were broken up in such a way that they could not influence the rest of us with their unintended consequences.

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[Tsunami]

not to get into a battle of semantics, but stereotype would not be the best word to use.

what you really mean to say is:

"nice system justification theory i have going on there."

I'm a little too busy right now to go into the differences.

[raz]

...... Because CA has the most electoral college votes and members in the congress, what happens in CA eventually happens in the rest of the country.......

.... against my belief that the few should not be allowed to make decisions on the many.

I find this rather funny since the "few" influencing the "many" statement contradicts itself here since the number of votes in the electoral college is directly linked to the population in that state. You have a couple decent points on the current financial market, but there's a lot more to it than that and I think you know it. I don't blame the banks alone for our current financial state, but rather the average idiot (my parents fall into this category) that borrowed more money than they could pay back then defaulted on loans. Maybe they shouldn't have ever been offered the loan, but the blame goes to both parties.

[hardcoded]

I liked the ads.

They allowed me to transfer money from someone I didn't like to someone I do. Not too often can I do so in such a straightforward manner.

[Tsunami]

...... Because CA has the most electoral college votes and members in the congress, what happens in CA eventually happens in the rest of the country.......

.... against my belief that the few should not be allowed to make decisions on the many.

I find this rather funny since the "few" influencing the "many" statement contradicts itself here since the number of votes in the electoral college is directly linked to the population in that state. You have a couple decent points on the current financial market, but there's a lot more to it than that and I think you know it. I don't blame the banks alone for our current financial state, but rather the average idiot (my parents fall into this category) that borrowed more money than they could pay back then defaulted on loans. Maybe they shouldn't have ever been offered the loan, but the blame goes to both parties.1. CA has 55 electoral college votes, the next president only needs 270. so CA represent 20% of the total number of electoral votes needed to be the next president. Since you only need 1 vote more than your opponent to take the state and get those votes, CA has more influence than any other state. Yes CA has more people and therefore more electoral votes, but that is assuming everyone votes. voter turn out is historically about 50% of the eligable voters, the winner of 55 electoral votes could be decided by a relatively small percent of the population of CA. In texas, 5 million more voters could vote for McCain than obama, but McCain still only gets 34 electoral votes. but in CA 1,000 more voters could vote Obama and Obama gets 55.

2. the current economic mess isn't because your parents can't pay for their home loan. home foreclosures are still within historic levels reached in the 90's. that is not the problem. the problem is much more complicated than that. what happened was banks didn't want to hold the home loan till maturity and make money slowly, they wanted to make profits today so they sold those loans to investment banks. the investment banks than bundled 1,000's of home loans together, than divided the value of those homes up and sold 100's of bonds based on the future cash flow of those mortgages. (still with me). many money markets, pension funds, endowment funds, banks, and private investment firms bought these bonds because they were told they were as safe as t-bills and could be sold anytime they wanted. what went wrong was house values went down, but home values don't go evenly. homes in florida dropped 30% in one year while homes in ohio dropped less than 10%. the mixture of sub-prime, prime and jumbo loans tied to those bonds is unknown to the bond holder and therefore the future cash flow for that bond is unknown. there is no one to sell these bonds to, so you need to take the hit to your balance sheet, which causes you to add cash to balance the loss. the cash needs to come from someplace, so banks stopped loaning money to you and me and to each other. there is more too it than this, but in a nut shell there was not enough restraint in the leaders of these companies to say no to easy profits.

got to go for now, wife threat meter is off the charts.

[raz]

Hehe, the problem with internet message boards is that users generally assume (often correctly) that the others on the board are generally ignorant to the world and not as well informed as themselves. This combined with the fact that you can't encompass any real conversations of any depth into a quick post makes for a difficult discussion. I didn't say that the current financial crisis is because of people defaulting on their mortgages, but rather said that there are multiple parties to blame for it. If no one defaulted on their mortgages or credit card debt I'd still be wary of many of the practices of the larger financial institutions based on the facts you stated above (which I'd assume because of the nature of the people on this board mostly understand). I'd even go as far as to say that those investing in the mortgage bonds are to blame for their inadequate research into what they're investing in. I don't blame others for the hundreds of k I lost in investments over the last few months as I know I've put much of my investments in places where there is risk of devaluation as well as "risk" of massive gains.

I was just a bit surprised at what looked like a prejudice against people who live in a particular area. I moved out to the Bay area (San Jose area) ~7 years ago and it's really strange how different the political landscape is here compared to the Midwest where I grew up. There are a ton of people out here who have great ideals/ideas, but lack much of the knowledge of how what they'd like to see may impact other aspects of the economy/environment, etc etc. I personally hate the fact that anyone with a few million to burn can get a proposition on the general election ballot and change the state constitution through deceptive advertising. In the current election I'm referring more to the environmental/transportation bills headed up by those who would most profit financially from their passing than to prop 8. Many news reports I've seen fail to mention that they were backed financially to the tune of 10's of millions by the people who will make many times that if they pass. The problem is that many voters really don't take the time to learn about what they're voting for and base their opinions on the advertisements on TV and radio which are frankly horribly skewed on both sides of every issue.

[Tsunami]

raz, i think we are in agreement on almost everything, and you have reinforced my original post and my second post defending my original position.

now for a little clarity, everyone is to blame for the crisis, u.s. citizens, congress, s.e.c., the fed, congress, pres. bush, henry paulson, fdic, moody's, S&P, fitch, unregulated mortgage originating companies, congress, home builders, local gov't and many more. but loan defaults are part of the banks accounting and under normal circumstances the rate of defaults can be absorbed.

to give an example of CA effecting the rest of the country, just look at cigarette smoking and second hand smoke killing 50k+ a year. (for the record i don't smoke nor does anyone in my family) in the late 1990's a report was issued by the FDA investigating cigarette smoking and it's relationship with cancer. two years later a follow up report was issued where in one line of one paragraph of a 30+ page report, the author commented that second hand smoke COULD be the cause of 1/10 of 1% of the deaths caused by smoking. that one line in a report changed the nation. at the time 500k+ people were dying from cancer so that could mean 5k people died each year from second hand smoke. this number grew each year until it reached the 50-70K number because 5k was not enough to change laws. second hand smoke was the reason to eliminate smoking on airplanes, than gov't building, than public building. than state wide and now it is nationwide. in some areas i think you cannot smoke outside your house because the smoke might drift into the neighbors yard, instantly killing the entire family. so if 50k people died each year that would mean that 10% of smoking related death was from second hand smoke not .1% originally posted.

now most people will say this false reporting of a gov't document and creation of misleading data benefited everyone, but i say the real threat with activist and their causes is once activated they don't de-activate. the anti smoking groups are now organized, well funded and looking for a new cause. maybe the next cause they come after will be a cause you care about. maybe even the addictive and anti-social world of MMORPG.

so flame on- it's 4am here, i got a full pot of coffee and staying up until we elect either the black guy or the old white guy.

[raz]

I fully agree that CA has some interesting (read "really screwed up") views on how it passes laws about various topics. I personally like the smoking ban, but not because I was worried about my health. I just always found it annoying to go anywhere in public and come back smelling horribly 'till I took a shower. I think it has to do with all the chemicals the semiconductor fabs leaked into the water in the bay area back in the early days of silicon valley.....

It's amazing how much more active (or possibly only on the outside and it's all a farce) young people are out here. I went to see Jason Mraz on Sunday at Berkeley and I'd say 20+% of the people there had a shirt/button/sticker/something with a political agenda on. I never remember people being that involved back when I grew up, but I was in a relatively small town.

[valkry]

ATTENTION: Solve all your problems...roll Australia!

[Drizzit]

let the gays get married, why should they be the only ones happy. So true.... so very true... As the great Jerry the King Lawler said in a video game "A man doesn't know true happiness until he gets married. Then it is too late".


I sense much anger in you. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to -suufffeerring-.
Suffering leads to teh DARK SIDE.

Wiser words from yoda. Better yoda :D
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