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Hoofu & Oggie
11-01-2008, 02:04 PM
I created a new RAF account, registered it, and created a couple of new characters - a shaman and a warrior - on a new realm. Also bought Keyclone.

I set up Keyclone with a whitelist so it only sends 1234567890-= and [space].

Ognian is the warrior, he has Heroic Strike on 2, Hoofu has Lightning Bolt on 2. Hoofu has macros "/follow Ognian" on = and "/assist Ognian" on -. So when Oggie presses =, Hoofu follows him. I might change the keybinding on this so that for instance Hoofu's action buttons 12 and 11 are on other keys such as F and T.

I created a macro to bind to Hoofu's 0 button:
/cast [modifier:alt, target=player] Healing Wave; [modifier:ctrl, target=Ognian] Healing Wave; [nomodifier] Healing Wave

So Alt-0 heals Hoofu, Ctrl-0 heals Ognian, and 0 on its own heals Hoofu's target. I tried to get it to heal Ognian's target but I can't work out how to do that, so if I'm controlling Oggie, I have to select the friendly, press - to make Hoofu pick up the target, then press 0 to heal the target. Kind of complicated.

Finally, I whitelisted the arrow keys and removed the arrow keybindings from Oggie, so the arrow keys only move and turn Hoofu without affecting Oggie. My standard approach to combat is to pick up the target, hit - to make Hoofu pick up the target, move Hoofu backwards a little to cancel /follow, press 1 for autoattack on both, then fight with Heroic Strike / Lightning Bolt on the 2 button with the occasional 0 to heal Oggie if needed. Hoofu can stand back and just pick up the new targets and assist with lightning bolts and heals, and I can use the arrow keys to adjust her position (turning, advancing). If I spam 2, she tends to rip aggro so I need to hold back on that. Thunderclap should help with aggro, and the real Oggie is full prot so that should do as well.

The next step is to transfer the real Oggie to the new account, and play for real with the level 70 versions of Hoofu and Oggie. Any experience of how long it takes to transfer a character from one account to another?

Ualaa
11-01-2008, 04:04 PM
As far as assist goes, there seems to be a few basic options. The wiki and a search of these forums can provide this.

1. Assist by name of the toon.
2. Assist by focus.
3. Assist by party leader.
4. The FTL system (Focus-free, Target-free, Leader-free setup, using Keyclone Hotstrings).

Looking at your macro on Hoofu's "0" button...
The last argument does not require nomodifier in the " ; [nomodifier] Healing Wave ", it would cast Healing Wave anyway.

Maybe try something like this:
/cast [mod:alt, target=player]Healing Wave; [mod:ctrl, target=Ognian]Healing Wave; [mod:shift, target=Ogniantarget]Healing Wave; Healing Wave

Assuming you always want Ognian leading, you can easily set up your keys for Hoofu to assist then act.
/assist Ognian
/cast Lightning Bolt

/cast [target=Ogniantarget] Lightning Bolt






Another option (the focus option) would be to use /Focus on the current leader.
Then your macro's for either toon would be...

/cast [target=focustarget] Charge
/cast [target=focustarget, help]Healing Wave; [target=focustarget, harm] Lightning Bolt

I'm not sure if you'll ever use that, but it allows for either toon to be the lead, with the other assisting.






I use option 3, with the party leader for assist.
It looks something like this:
/cast [target=party1target] Flame Shock

/assist [target=party1]
/cast Earth Shock

For a Party1 system to work, you need to set up basic paging when switching toons.
By default all of your toons start on action bar 1.
So make action bar 1 be your... assist party 1... and cast the spell action.
Make action bar 2 be the same spell exactly, but without the assist.
Then make it so when you change who leads, via the Keyclone PiP command and a WoW macro on the same keybind...
The wow macro includes /changeactionbar 2, on the new leader and /changeactionbar 1 on the old leader.

So if Shift F1 is Oggie's client in keyclone and Shift F2 is Hoofu's client then in warcraft..
Oggie has a macro on Shift F1: /changeactionbar 2. Hoofu's macro keybound to Shift F1: /script PromoteToLeader("Oggie") and /changeactionbar 1
Reverse the roles for Shift F2 with Hoofu's client coming to the front.





The FTL set-up requires a lot of configuration and set-up thought, but once done is a well oiled machine.
It makes no difference which toon is the lead as far as hotkeys go, each toon just has normal keys in each slot.
The hotstrings determine who should assist who, based on which toon is in the active window.
A lot of setup, but once done successfully anyone who has tried it likes it.




I'm not sure what you're looking for from a boxing point of view.
If you're casually leveling two toons together, a very basic set up will probably be as much as you require.
If you're going to do instances or pvp, keeping your focus free for either crowd control or a burn target is a good idea.
These forums have a lot of good ideas and the community is helpful too.




*Edit*
In my experience, its generally 2-4 hours. I transfered my 60 mage from account 1 to account 3 recently (so when the hunter team gets to 60, mage can join them).. running 4 new hunters with a 70 hunter.
The basic transfer stuff is pretty fast. Then you wait a variable amount of time for approval. It was 2 hours or so the first set of toons I transfered and 4 hours less then a week ago. Once approved, the final step is payment and its done basically immediately at that point.

Hoofu & Oggie
11-01-2008, 10:42 PM
Maybe try something like this:
/cast [mod:alt, target=player]Healing Wave; [mod:ctrl, target=Ognian]Healing Wave; [mod:shift, target=Ogniantarget]Healing Wave; Healing Wave
Hmm, I couldn't get [target=Ogniantarget] to work, are you sure that's valid syntax?

*edit* aslo maybe I should stop referring to him as "Oggie" as that confuses macro writing... }:O)

Ualaa
11-02-2008, 06:06 AM
I know [target=focustarget] and [target=party1target] are valid arguments. I went from the former to the latter.
Maybe try something like this.



#showtooltip Healing Wave
/assist Ognian
/cast [mod:alt, target=player]Healing Wave; [mod:ctrl, target=Ognian]Healing Wave; Healing Wave

Assuming Ognian is your active character and Hoofu is the background toon...
You can have your healer self-heal with alt, heal Oggie with control or heal Oggie's target otherwise.

Hoofu & Oggie
11-19-2008, 09:19 AM
I'm now using qUserKey add-on to bind keys directly to macros and it's working out ok, so Alt-F is Follow, Alt-T is Target, Alt-R is Riptide, Alt-H is Healing Wave, Alt-C is Chain Heal. The healing macros are all targettarget sensitive, so my standard pull is like this:

Press 4 - this causes Oggie to Charge and Hoofu to cast Earth Shield on him.
Press Up Arrow to stop Hoofu from following Ognian
Press Alt-T - Hoofu executes macro "/assist Ognian"
Alternately press 6 and 2, 6 does Devastate (and is not passed through by Keyclone), 2 does Heroic Strike on Ognian and Lightning Bolt from Hoofu.
Occasionally press Alt-R for a quick heal (Riptide) or Alt-H if Oggie is getting close to around half health
Thunderclap is on a mouse click on one of the additional action bars.
When a mob dies or is about to, select a new one, Alt-T, so Hoofu is casting Lightning at that one instead.

(Correction in red)

All my characters have a harm-sensitive macro that casts an attack against an enemy, or mounts up on the appropriate mount depending on Flyable. This didn't work in Northrend as the zone is flyable but I didn't have Cold Weather Flying, but the macro has an Alt override to summon the land mount anyway so Alt-2 mounts up both characters.

I run Keyclone with whitelist forwarding, so only a small selection of keys are forwarded: 1-4, Alt-F, Alt-R, Alt-H, etc. but it seems to forward F, R, H on their own as well regardless of the Alt state.

I also have a macro bound to Alt-# on both characters that accepts group invite, accepts trade, accepts resurrect, and sets loot to free-for-all. The only glitch is that when accepting a group this way the invite window does not disappear so I have to switch to the other character and press Esc to get rid of it.

Next thing to do is to write a castsequence that casts water walking and water breathing on both characters. Mounting up and riding over water is awesome! Got both glyphs, so no materials required, best investment ever.

Ualaa
11-20-2008, 12:17 AM
Either go:

/castsequence [nomod, target=player] Water Breathing, Water Walking; [mod:alt, target=Toon2] Water Breathing, Water Walking; [mod:ctrl, target=Toon3] etc.....

Or have the normal castsequence without using modifiers to specify targets, and just manually choose the shammies target and click the macro.
Then change to the next target and click the macro.. this approach lets you cast on others, not just those defined in the macro.

You could even have....

Background Shammy Toon...
/assist MainToon
/castsequence Water Walking, Water Breathing

Hoofu & Oggie
11-26-2008, 07:21 PM
You could even have....

Background Shammy Toon...
/assist MainToon
/castsequence Water Walking, Water BreathingAs I already have a Follow macro that targets Ognian, and an Assist macro that takes Oggie's target, all I need is a simple castsequence and I'll just chain the three together manually.