So, I just 5 boxed kara =D

[Niley]

Killed everything up to and including curator, going to illhoof now.
Im loving 3.0 so far, pally tanking changes are simply amazing, and my shamans aren't slacking either!
SS of curator down(my UI is all messed up after yesterdays patch, I'm going to fix it when i have few days off)
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/6366/karalalauk2.jpg
I'll update with screenies of kills...that's if i kill them :P

edit the other paladin is in my grp only because he needed to be in a raid to fix ui, he is not with me inside kara)


Edit:
Prince kisses the floor;D
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/4049/princedownkk2.jpg

[suprafro]

haha awesome, that's sick as hell! kara and ZA seem like they will be amusing this week

[puppychow]

WOW! Thats pretty awesome, my hats off. Did you attempt Nightbane? Was moroes difficult?

[Niley]

WOW! Thats pretty awesome, my hats off. Did you attempt Nightbane? Was moroes difficult?

update in first post, prince down.

I did everything but shade and netherspite, I didn't even attempt netherspite, Im sure it can be done, it just gives me headaches and it isn't worth 2 badges.
Shade on the other hand gets quite complicated at around 35% where You have elementals out/blizzard and hes still casting fire/frost/arcane.
So i decided to skip both of them.
Moroes wasn't hard, i just ignored the adds and went straight for him, 4 fire elementals, heroism, crazy threat from paladin did its thing, I think my tps on him was on average 4k lol.
I wiped twice on curator(was easy after i made some macros), and once I failed..........................on chess lol

[Spatch]

Niley

Would it be possible for you to list the addons that you are using.

I recognize some but not all and your setup seems really well laid out.

Im also still trying to find replacements for some of the addons that I was using that have not been updated yet.

Thanks

[Schwarz]

So here is the question. If you can 5 man it with one pally and 4 shaman. Can I ten man it with 2 5boxers groups. That is the plan this weekend. To take a shot at it and see how far we get.

Tuesday a guild group got together and did kara. They said they killed attune in 43 seconds. I am not sure if this was just when he was together with his horse or what. But if this is true I think 10 dps should be able to do it easy.

[Sarduci]

Any chance to get your builds? Armory on your Paladin shows you as 0/17/12....

[Tamu]

Nice! Grats Niley!

[Niley]

Niley

Would it be possible for you to list the addons that you are using.

I recognize some but not all and your setup seems really well laid out.

Im also still trying to find replacements for some of the addons that I was using that have not been updated yet.

Thanks

Actually, my UI is really bad atm, tons of errors, I'm too lazy to update everything, This si my addon folder, just replace bartender 3 with 4.
http://img352.imageshack.us/my.php?image=addonsxq6.jpg
and this is how it looked before 3.0, hopefully i can get it to look like this again with zero errors
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/3305/updateduisr5.jpg




So here is the question. If you can 5 man it with one pally and 4 shaman. Can I ten man it with 2 5boxers groups. That is the plan this weekend. To take a shot at it and see how far we get.

Tuesday a guild group got together and did kara. They said they killed in 43 seconds. I am not sure if this was just when he was together with his horse or what. But if this is true I think 10 dps should be able to do it easy.
I Think You might need a tank, I was still getting hit pretty hard, and my pally is t6 geared, but i would definitely love to hear how it goes. I 5 manned attumen in a bit over minute, he was easier then most of the heroic bosses :P


Any chance to get your builds? Armory on your Paladin shows you as 0/17/12....

Sure,

My pally:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sZaxVAzzMteIRroxo

My shamans have all variation of this build
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=hEh0qcdetMxoZ0xxco

with one of them having tow, one imp soa, and one guardian totems.

[Sarduci]

Great, thank you! ../forum/images/smilies/thumbsup.png

[Thulos]

5 manning kara? WTH! You say you are t6 geared on your pali but how about the shamans?

[Niley]

5 manning kara? WTH! You say you are t6 geared on your pali but how about the shamans?
Pally is my alt and has t6/badges stuff, Phien is my main, she has pretty much all best in slot/sunwell gear(just so happens that ele shaman is my main :P), 3 of the shamans have full badge gear with some random kara/za stuff.

[Crucial]

Very nice! I tried this last night with 5 shamans. Trash was very easy, but it looks like a tank might be necessary for the bosses, was only able to get attumen and moroes down to about 40% with an all out zerg and no strategy.

[Thulos]

5 manning kara? WTH! You say you are t6 geared on your pali but how about the shamans?
Pally is my alt and has t6/badges stuff, Phien is my main, she has pretty much all best in slot/sunwell gear(just so happens that ele shaman is my main :P), 3 of the shamans have full badge gear with some random kara/za stuff.Totally sick. Congratz on pulling this off. :thumbup:

[zero]

Niley ? you are my hero ;-) thank you and gz
i am running 5ele shamans and just spoke to a friend about what you done and we decide to do it tonight the thing what troubles me is that we are not that well geared but we will do our best
thank you again
zero

[Deekhay]

Gratz Niley, awesome work mate!

If you have time I'd like you to tell a bit about your aggro cycle/macros with the Pala as it may differ from other posters and all experience sharing is welcome.

Also, how do you handle it? One button spam for both dps/tanking? Using ,,,,, for aggro opening?

Thank you and bravo again!

[Schwarz]

So here is the question. If you can 5 man it with one pally and 4 shaman. Can I ten man it with 2 5boxers groups. That is the plan this weekend. To take a shot at it and see how far we get.

Tuesday a guild group got together and did kara. They said they killed attune in 43 seconds. I am not sure if this was just when he was together with his horse or what. But if this is true I think 10 dps should be able to do it easy.OK went in to kara with 10 shaman. We killed attune/Morros/Big bad wolf/curator/shade/ilhoof/chess. I think a couple more attempts we would have gotten maiden down but we decided to call it. We got Prince to 50%. I think if the other 5 boxer I was running with was a geared as I was we just might be able to kill him if we were lucky. Too tired to type up a whole report on it right now. But I am very happy with what we did tonight.

[Niley]

Gratz Niley, awesome work mate!

If you have time I'd like you to tell a bit about your aggro cycle/macros with the Pala as it may differ from other posters and all experience sharing is welcome.

Also, how do you handle it? One button spam for both dps/tanking? Using ,,,,, for aggro opening?



I actually have everything separate, I also use lb/cl combo on my shamans, so basicallly if You would see me boxing, it looks like drunk dude playing a piano, Im pressing 3-4 buttons at a time every second :P This also lets me choose what ability i can use, unlike one macro would, also makes it harder which equals more fun!
My opener looks like this avenger shield->consecrate(i have 10s glyph, and do this before the mob gets to me)->Judge wisdom->hammer of the righteous
Now lately Ive been having fun with seals, also noticed that this way i can get my tps at 2k level, I use Seal of Vengeance at the start, let it stack 5 times(judge it too of course), then switch to Seal of Righteousness, before 15s runs out re seal Vengeance(quartz buff bars really help with this), now add to that shaman management, regular tanking rotation, heals, watching whats going on around You etc etc, makes this game way more fun then any single boxer could have :P




So here is the question. If you can 5 man it with one pally and 4 shaman. Can I ten man it with 2 5boxers groups. That is the plan this weekend. To take a shot at it and see how far we get.

Tuesday a guild group got together and did kara. They said they killed attune in 43 seconds. I am not sure if this was just when he was together with his horse or what. But if this is true I think 10 dps should be able to do it easy.OK went in to kara with 10 shaman. We killed attune/Morros/Big bad wolf/curator/shade/ilhoof/chess. I think a couple more attempts we would have gotten maiden down but we decided to call it. We got Prince to 50%. I think if the other 5 boxer I was running with was a geared as I was we just might be able to kill him if we were lucky. Too tired to type up a whole report on it right now. But I am very happy with what we did tonight.

Sounds awesome! Some of those mobs hit pretty hard, Im quite surprised that You guys made that far, very nice job.

[puppychow]

How did you do chess? pre 3.0 I tried chess once solo (the group I was with stopped at aran after wiping a lot, so I went in afterwards and solo cleared to chess) and just could not do it. If I controlled the king one one char and the healer on the other, Medivh would "cheat" too much and just burn my chars in fires before I could move em out (ie healers would die and then my king was sol). I didn't have much coordination luck controlling more than 2 chars, would just get crazy tabbing around and clicking stuff, lol

[nomenquis]

How did you do chess? pre 3.0 I tried chess once solo (the group I was with stopped at aran after wiping a lot, so I went in afterwards and solo cleared to chess) and just could not do it. If I controlled the king one one char and the healer on the other, Medivh would "cheat" too much and just burn my chars in fires before I could move em out (ie healers would die and then my king was sol). I didn't have much coordination luck controlling more than 2 chars, would just get crazy tabbing around and clicking stuff, lolCleared everything sans dragons and aran on 4 shami + pala team yesterday, and chess is definitely the most difficult boss to box. After about 5 or 6 tries I was successful with the following strategy:

I'd simply move a few pawns one field forward, so I could move the healers in case medivh cheated. I'd then simply hope (yea, rng ftw) for him to bring his king forward a little bit. If he does that you can simply start shooting with your caster figure on the king. I didn't even move my king, only moved a few pawns and the healers. Things do get interesting though, because if you do it like that you'll have to switch figures quite often, and thus cancel buffs / run to the new figure with some chars.

I might just have gotten lucky though, this fight really sucks. After this epic battle prince really was a pushover (pally tanked prince while standing in the hellfire of one daemon, and healing wasn't all that difficult).

I'd love to hear about a good strategy for aran though. I got killed _really_ fast in there. Groundings don't work, and he'd quite often cast 3 times in a row on the same char, which will gib him pretty fast ;(
Also, with just one healer if he gets chain of ice it's pretty much an instant wipe for me (don't have any pvp gear, my chars are all sub 8k health).

Aw, have some fun in there, some fights are really hilarious after 3.0 :)

[thinus]

I'd love to hear about a good strategy for aran though. I got killed _really_ fast in there. Groundings don't work, and he'd quite often cast 3 times in a row on the same char, which will gib him pretty fast ;(
Also, with just one healer if he gets chain of ice it's pretty much an instant wipe for me (don't have any pvp gear, my chars are all sub 8k health).

Earthshock rotation on his fire and ice spells?

[Schwarz]

Are you sure grounding didn't work. I know if he is casting arcane missles that will eat up three grounding. I thought they worked for me.

[Teejayv]

so you guys are telling me that is it completely possible to just 5 man this instance..? can you compare it's difficulty (Mob HP, dmg taken, positioning) to another heroic out there?

so if 3.0.2 totally killed the 10 man challenge of Kara (reducing it to super easy mode with 10), have any of the heroics been dumbed down as well? I wouldn't mind getting some easy badges.. although i guess farming badges at this point in time is pretty much useless with the xpac right around the corner, which will be replacing badge gear pretty quickly..

Thanks in advance

[Niley]

so you guys are telling me that is it completely possible to just 5 man this instance..? can you compare it's difficulty (Mob HP, dmg taken, positioning) to another heroic out there?

so if 3.0.2 totally killed the 10 man challenge of Kara (reducing it to super easy mode with 10), have any of the heroics been dumbed down as well? I wouldn't mind getting some easy badges.. although i guess farming badges at this point in time is pretty much useless with the xpac right around the corner, which will be replacing badge gear pretty quickly..

Thanks in advance

easy, easier then arc heroic or sl heroic.

[Schwarz]

I know almost all the trash you can use thunderstorm on. Bouncing melee away from you is really nice. The thing that took me long was dealing with the magic immune mobs after curator. I think this week we are going to have some alts waiting to come in at that point.

[Nmagrig]

Congratz to you man! Recently this week I was allowed to start raiding as a boxer. I did kara with 3 out of my 5 shamans and it was a blast. Then I did ZA with 3 out of the 5 AND brought in my pally to tank at the same time. That was stressful though mind you as I am not that good with controlling extras like the pally. Then I was able to get into a Gruuls pug on Sunday with 4 of the 5 shamans with ALOT and I mean ALOT of doubters. It was awesome because on High King, most of the people went down and all that was left where me and the tank and we handled bizness! And 2 of the 3 tokens he dropped were for shammies and I won them both :D. Then maybe 8 hours ago from now, I got to do Mag with all 5 (Yes the whole Squad got to be mobilized.) By this time, people were on my side and was like on snap we got this.

People went down due to blast waves and not paying attention on the cubes, so I had to step it up and run several cubes at the same time and saved the raid from another wipe. I felt like a hero. I am rapidly earning respect on my server now as a boxer. And to make matters better. On the Isle, the alliance know I have a rule. I will never gank you on the Isle, as long as you leave me alone. If you do attack me, I gank alliance out there ALL day until I get tired. And I have the stamina and patience of a champion :D :D. So now people wave at me we all go on our marry way.

Sorry for the wall of spam, just this has been a really awesome developing weekend for me as far as multiboxing is concerned and I am finally being treated as a force to be reckoned with on both alliance and horde :D :D

[Tidomann]

i think the important question here is

HOLY MOTHER OF GOD HOW BIG IS YOUR SCREEN? I want it :( That's some sick resolution there :P

[Niley]

Congratz to you man! Recently this week I was allowed to start raiding as a boxer. I did kara with 3 out of my 5 shamans and it was a blast. Then I did ZA with 3 out of the 5 AND brought in my pally to tank at the same time. That was stressful though mind you as I am not that good with controlling extras like the pally. Then I was able to get into a Gruuls pug on Sunday with 4 of the 5 shamans with ALOT and I mean ALOT of doubters. It was awesome because on High King, most of the people went down and all that was left where me and the tank and we handled bizness! And 2 of the 3 tokens he dropped were for shammies and I won them both :D. Then maybe 8 hours ago from now, I got to do Mag with all 5 (Yes the whole Squad got to be mobilized.) By this time, people were on my side and was like on snap we got this.

People went down due to blast waves and not paying attention on the cubes, so I had to step it up and run several cubes at the same time and saved the raid from another wipe. I felt like a hero. I am rapidly earning respect on my server now as a boxer. And to make matters better. On the Isle, the alliance know I have a rule. I will never gank you on the Isle, as long as you leave me alone. If you do attack me, I gank alliance out there ALL day until I get tired. And I have the stamina and patience of a champion :D :D. So now people wave at me we all go on our marry way.

Sorry for the wall of spam, just this has been a really awesome developing weekend for me as far as multiboxing is concerned and I am finally being treated as a force to be reckoned with on both alliance and horde :D :D

I do kara/za/mag/gruul on my team weekly :P In fact all my shamans have full t4...too bad that its much worse then badges gear. Did timed za last week and me 5 boxing pally tank and my 4 shamans + 5 guildies, did the run with 18 minutes left on the timer...That makes me wonder how could i do with my team pre patch(I couldnt do it as a we were selling runs and both my pally and shaman were needed).
Oh on a side note, i just got my tiger mount from zg woot:P

[Deekhay]

Thank you so much for your reply Niley and thanks all for sharing :). I'm stuck with chess, did all bosses on simply nuking (10 boxing) - Not tried Netherspite, 2 tries on Nightbane, best 48%.

Aran fight I didn't heal at all and I really think grounding works. I do it the opposite way as usual, I let fireballs and frostbolts pass and I counter missiles because they wipe too fast my groundings.

Kara is easier than a lot of heroics out there lol.

Going to try the do not move thing with chess. If someone has other hints please share I'm founding it the most difficult... hmmm... fight... of the whole instance.

Cheers

[Teejayv]

i just cleared attumen (i know it's not much, but still.. mostly blues here!), and would've worked my way to moroes but i have to run to work.. a quick question for you folks.
For moroes, do i just kill ALL the people with him? (1 pally 4 shaman), or do i have ot do something fancy? I guess i could pick off each guest one by one, and then focus on moroes, but i'm not sure how u guys did it. Any advice would be helpful.

I guess i better get enchants on my gear and some glyphs, that might help a bit, and spellpower food and stam food and stuff like that. I was soo happy when attumen went down. I know my dps isn't uber leet yet, but one day..

[karozkap]

so you guys are telling me that is it completely possible to just 5 man this instance..? can you compare it's difficulty (Mob HP, dmg taken, positioning) to another heroic out there?

so if 3.0.2 totally killed the 10 man challenge of Kara (reducing it to super easy mode with 10), have any of the heroics been dumbed down as well? I wouldn't mind getting some easy badges.. although i guess farming badges at this point in time is pretty much useless with the xpac right around the corner, which will be replacing badge gear pretty quickly..

Thanks in advanceI just did the mechanar and botanica on heroic with 5 druids, 4 of them level 69 only the tank was lvl 70. the difference between normal mode and heroic became very small.

[nomenquis]

i just cleared attumen (i know it's not much, but still.. mostly blues here!), and would've worked my way to moroes but i have to run to work.. a quick question for you folks.
For moroes, do i just kill ALL the people with him? (1 pally 4 shaman), or do i have ot do something fancy? I guess i could pick off each guest one by one, and then focus on moroes, but i'm not sure how u guys did it. Any advice would be helpful.

I guess i better get enchants on my gear and some glyphs, that might help a bit, and spellpower food and stam food and stuff like that. I was soo happy when attumen went down. I know my dps isn't uber leet yet, but one day..If the add that mana burns or the add that stuns are there I kill them. Otherwise just nuke moroes. If you take too long things will get a little ugly due to the bleeds. Youll most likely want one restro however unless your tank is really good equipped. Earth shield + glyph of lhw + lhw == near infinite healing. Also earth shield makes maiden and most other boss fights _alot_ easier. For instance earth shield alone can keep my pally up on curator pre enrage and illhoof.

[Teejayv]

"If the add that mana burns or the add that stuns are there I kill them. Otherwise just nuke moroes. If you take too long things will get a little ugly due to the bleeds. Youll most likely want one restro however unless your tank is really good equipped. Earth shield + glyph of lhw + lhw == near infinite healing. Also earth shield makes maiden and most other boss fights _alot_ easier. For instance earth shield alone can keep my pally up on curator pre enrage and illhoof. " Thanks for this info, it should really really help me. I tried Moroes like 4 times yesterday and wipeeeeed 4/4 on him. I can't remember what adds there were, all i knew was to kill the ladies first! (there were 2 of em, and i just pictured they were Menzoberrean High Priests of Lolth), but shortly after dispatching the two women, i noticed that my shamans were starting to drop due to the bleed that Moroes puts on. I never thought to all out DPS Moroes from the get-go. I'm not sure if i have that kind of deeps for that as of yet. My pally is Kara geared yes, and my shamans are kinda like blue'd and some kara pieces, and s2 helm i guess, so I'm probably not there yet in terms of gear. It's not that i run out of mana or anything (thank you 3.0.2), it's just that i don't think i have the DPS for this yet. Attumen dropped pretty fast and easy, but maybe i'm just running the Moroes encounter wrong.

Just yesteday, i bought glyphs for my Shaman's LB reduced by 10% and for my resto to get that special LHW increase by 20%. I have yet to try this encounter again since then, but maybe those glyphs might help. I've also purchased the consecration and spiritual attunement glyphs on my pally, so i guess after a few enchants (helm, stam), couple gems (+spellpower, crit), coupled with these new glyphs, i'll stand a better chance....

We'll see soon!

[puppychow]

So I really wanted to try and solo the new boss in Kara, last week both my pally and warrior lost the rolls on the axe and I want one of them to get it!

I tried yesterday afternoon to do Attumen/Moroes with my prot pally + 4 ele shamans -- they are decently geared, between 750-900sd each, in mostly blues/epics although not much enchanted or gemmed.

Attumen was easy mode, Moroes trash was simple. Moroes however was too hard. I wiped 4-5 times on him, getting him to around 30% twice but losing too many. I actually went down and killed the monster boss below (bat) after wiping so much to vent my frustration on spiders, lol first time I've ever even gone down there.

Today I respec'd one of my shamans as resto and went back - I use "2" for my spam button, it consecrates on my pally and spams lightning bolt on my shamans. For my resto shaman, I changed it to spam lesser healing wave.

I 1 shotted Moroes, there were a few close calls when my pally dropped to 10% or less (thank you kaelthas's commendation!!) but it worked out ok. So IMO having a dedicated healer just makes the fight a TON easier. Some other tips and tricks - I tanked with my back to moroes, it makes my pally take a lot more damage but he is immune to Moroes gouge. I learned the very first try that if my Pally gets gouged, Moroes goes and kills everyone else.

I killed the shadowpriest first, she went down in under 20 seconds. After that I just burned moroes, I used chain lightning when I could and the other adds were dead by the 3d vanish. I dropped my fire elementals about 20 seconds into the fight, they lasted nearly to the end. Recount says the fight took 2 mins 41 secs, and when I went in a normal group last week it took 1 min 30 secs so not too bad.

The resto shaman was OOm by the end, I forgot to drop mana tide totem but it was ok, the ele shamans were at 1/3 - 1/2 mana. I used thunderstorm every cooldown, since it restores mana. I did have to chain heal a bunch of times since some people got garrotted (could have BOPd them but didn't want to switch targets on my pally) and had to have all shamans lesser heal my pally a few times when he got very low.