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Powerwar
10-10-2008, 01:29 PM
Hi there.

I am running 4 elemental shamans on Skullcrusher EU server. Have been playing WoW since beta with one toon, so I have had pretty much time to train myself in single playing and learn other classes weakness and strengths.
My server has more hordes than alliance (I play alliance) and it's into the Cyclone battle group (one of the most competitive battle groups, if not the most competitive). It's also one of the oldest servers, so most people there know how to play.
You can find horde groups questing in practically all the areas on the server. In some cases you can enter an area and have 20 hordes questing vs 4 alliances (my group) at low levels. In outlands horde superiority is much more patent and you can quest in a given zone finding horde / alliance ratios near 10 / 1

I am lvl 65 and I can handle without much problems 2 or 3 S2 or S3 geared lvl 70s.

The problem is that I DON'T want to live in instances, and like more world questing and fun. Even that I'm a multiboxer, it's a social game and I enjoy doing quests with other people... so world pvp and ganking is something I have to deal with.

What I see is that practically all setups exposed in this forum rely on heavy and fast pew pew, and if that fails, it's a group corpse run. Also the current setups rely only on one casting bar and lots of crazy and complicated macros that are 100% guarantee of corpse run if you get jumped by 2 or 3 capable players.

I use the default Blizzard UI + Tomtom and the idemise leveling guide on the main char and the default blizzard UI on the companions.
From the settings menu I have made all the button bars to be shown. I use all of them.

Normal Bar (Left down) --> Keyed 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 ' ¡ (Spanish keyboard)
Left Upper Bar --> Keyed CTRL+ 1 2 3 ....
Right Bar --> Keyed ALT + 1 2 3 .....


I have the following 3 macros setup on the º button (the one under ESC and on left of 1).
º --> Follow focus
CTRL + º --> set focus = Party 1 target
ALT + º --> Accept quest, res, release spirit, trade, etc...
Also have the macros as buttons showing on the second right vertical bar in case I need to switch screens in mid fight, but it's only needed in very rare pve cases... by the time I do the screen switch in PvP I'm dead, so I use other way.

The cast bars contain the following (note the correspondences between the crtl and alt bars):
Normal Bar (Left down):
1 --> Melee
2 --> Lightning Bolt
3 --> Chain lightning
4 --> Multishock (2 x frost shock + 1 Flame shock + 1 Earth shock) (stops and silences casters, prevents rogues from vanishing, slows everyone)
5 --> Earth shock
6 --> Flame shock
7 --> Chain heal
8 --> Lesser heal
9 --> Great heal (or whatever it's shaman name is)
0 --> Purge
' --> Drink water for mana recovery
¡ --> Gift of the naaru (Draenei mana independent HoT heal)

Left Upper Bar (CTRL + something)
1 --> Stoneclaw totem
2 --> Multitotem (stoneclaw + stoneskin + agility totem + attack power totem)
3 --> Searinh totem
4 --> Earthbind totem
5 --> Tremor totem
6 --> Healing totem
7 --> Magma totem
8 --> Fire nova totem
9 --> Grounding totem
0 --> Next spell has 100% crit chance
' --> + spell damage trinket
¡ --> Free for nature swiftness

Right Bar (ALT + something)
1 --> Rockriber weapon (will become frostband + flametongue weapon soon)
2 --> Flametongue weapon (will become fire elemental soon)
3 --> Frostband weapon (will become earth elemental soon)
4 --> Water shield
5 --> Resistance totems
6 --> Multiheal (3 x healing totem + 1 mana totem)
7 --> Mana totem
8 --> Poison cleansing totem
9 --> Lightning shield
0 --> Ghost wolf (combat mount speed for not losing time when running around making quests in PvE)
' --> Mount
¡ --> Astral recall

The right vertical bars have only keybound the 3 macros for focus, follow and accept quests. They also have the following buttons that I usually click from my main unless it's dead.
+ Spell damage totem
Windwall totem (the one that stops ranged damage)
Resurrect
Sentry totem (spy totem as I call it)
Hearhstone (sometimes astral recall is on cooldown)
Far sight
Other shaman skills that are rarely used

My main in addition has pots and enachanting + tailoring buttons. Tialoring is very handy if you level it to 300 because of the netherweave net... no one runs away with that one.

As you may see, the needed pvp totems can be deployed with just ctrl + 5, 9 , 6 , 3/7/8.
Having a totem rotation macro is a bad idea against decent PvP opponent in the open world. The totem sequences according class are the following
Warrior --> Tremor totem, fire nova totem, magma totem
Rogue --> Magma totem, earthbind totem, stoneskin totem
Mage --> Grounding totem, healing totem (specially if you see a water elemental)
Warlock --> Tremor totem, grounding totem
Hunter --> Windwall totem, Healing totem, searing totem
Paladin --> Healing totem, searing totem or fire nova.
Druid --> Grounding totem, magma totem, earthbind totem.
Shaman --> Grounding totem, searing or magma totem, stoneskin if he is enhancement.

Windwall totem does miracles against hunters.
The magma totem and the arthbind against rogues are just to prevent them from vanish fleing... if someone jumps on me I want him dead.
That's also the reason of the multishock. When facing rogues and druids it's a must. Flame shock will prevent them from vanishing and running away, so they can only sprint. If they sprint, my tailor crafted netherveave net makes sure that they can only go to the graveyard.

In instances the multitomem stagering goes that way... Main has the stoneskin totem on his bar, so he can even drop it in pvp by clicking... With multitotem, one stoneclaw totem drops from one of the companions. After that the main just clicks the stoneclaw totem button on his bar, then CTRL + 1 and the companions drop 2 new stoneclaw totems... that's usually more than enough time to kill all the mobs.

The movement keybinds are wasd on the main. Q and E for turning on the main and companions. Up and Down arrows for making each toon run in a different direction.

When engaged in PvP vs several oponents at the same time healing goes via chain heal, so I don't have to care much about targeting the toon that is taking damage. Usually they are 2 or 3 of them taking damage at the same time, so chain heal does great work.

What happens if the main dies in PvP?
There is no time to switch screens and wait for maximizer to adjust the resolution, so I only need to target something from the main and command the companions to shot whatever they have. I have found practically no problems if the main dies except that the companions cannot move but only turn left and right. This is not a big problem anywaysbecause when the main dies I tend them to spam multishocks and searing totems and run around each one in one different direction pressing randomly Q and E to make them turn while running around, so they just make the enemy go crazy avoiding AoE damage meanwhile. With some practice the results are hilarious.

The main advantage of this setup is that all the skills are present on the button bars, so I don't need cast sequences macros nor have to deal with the "Oh shit, I wish I had a button for XYZ totem or skill". I can refresh a given totem clicking it from any of my toons bars while the others are quietly casting a lightning bolt or chain lightning.

The main cast bar is all macros except the gift of the naaru skill. All the toons have the same kind of macro:
/target = focus target
/cast whatever spell comes here.
The other bars don't need macros because the skills present on them can be cast without having a target.

This also allows me to use my lvl 70 warlock, warrior or whatever else toon I have without having to remacro all the rest of my toons. It's also key cloning application independent, so I can switch between my hardware KVM or keyclone depending of how much video processing work have my video processing workstations to do.

Farleito
10-10-2008, 10:27 PM
WOW. Were you laying down when you were typing all of this? Feels somewhat like a counseling session.

I fail to see how this setup is different in a good way. Probably my fault.


Flame shock will prevent them from vanishing and running away, so they can only sprint.
Cloak of Shadows.


What I see is that practically all setups exposed in this forum rely on heavy and fast pew pew, and if that fails, it's a group corpse run.
You are aware of DPS, right? They call it damage per second and not damage per minute for a reason. Here's an analogy: What I see is that most armed forces rely on using guns and grenades instead of drowning the enemy. Uh-yeah.. that's the idea. Put them down quickly before they put you down.


The main advantage of this setup is that all the skills are present on the button bars, so I don't need cast sequences macros nor have to deal with the "Oh shit, I wish I had a button for XYZ totem or skill". I can refresh a given totem clicking it from any of my toons bars while the others are quietly casting a lightning bolt or chain lightning.
Wait... so you are mouse-clicking all of the totems, and not using macro's??? and this "works good"?


There is no time to switch screens and wait for maximizer to adjust the resolution
How exactly are you multi-boxing? That -is- different.

Sorry if I seem a bit harsh w/ these comments... had a rough day and for some reason this post really irritated me. Again, my fault. :love:

Powerwar
10-11-2008, 05:41 AM
Cloak of Shadows. Never had a rogue vanish and run from the battle after burning cloak of shadows? I have lots of them try it. Specially lvl 70s since I'm still lvl 65 and cannot see them while stealthed.


You are aware of DPS, right? They call it damage per second and not damage per minute for a reason. Here's an analogy: What I see is that most armed forces rely on using guns and grenades instead of drowning the enemy. Uh-yeah.. that's the idea. Put them down quickly before they put you down. When facing 2 or 3 lvl 70 S2 / S3 geared opponents when you are still lvl 64 - 65, with sincronous keyboard setup you may probably die because you are in a clear disadvantage if your toons cannot multitask after killing the first target.
In most cases I face full 3v3 or part of 5v5 arena teams from the same guild, so it's not that they are a couple of guys that decided to try down me. They come to me to put relatively good and fair fight.


Wait... so you are mouse-clicking all of the totems, and not using macro's??? and this "works good"? One toon can refresh or drop a given totem while the rest are casting something else. This setup allows me to multitask. If you have played a warlock or hunter for some time and have used lots of pets micromanagement, then you would understand that. If you have played a warlock or hunter and had always your pet on autoattack with spells turned on auto you may understand that to some point. If you have never done pets micromanagement you may probably not understand what I'm talking about here.

How exactly are you multi-boxing? That -is- different. I multibox in two ways.
Have hardware KVM + 4 video processing workstations when I don't need to process videos (each with it's own screen).
When the video processors are encoding videos I run with keyclone on a single computer with 30" screen. The main is in big resolution and then 3 slaves on small res on the left of the main arranged in vertical.
In both cases switching main / slave is not so trivial unless I want to look at some small resolution picture.


The main problem with only using macros and a single bar is that you cannot multitask while your enemy group multitasks all the time. Dropping 4 totems (even being different) at the same time is not multitasking.
As you may see, all the bars buttons are keyed, so I can press the key if needed, but in the "Oh shit" moments. I can press the button on my main while the companions are still casting bolts undisturbed by the main's actions.
Chain lightning is 1,5 sec cast and GCD is also 1.5 sec. Refreshing windwall totem to diminish the other team hunter damage with the main while the companions are casting chain lightning x3 on the other team rogue is gold.

Probably you are thinking about arena, BG and similar stuff when talking about PvP. I am talking about open world questing while being jumped by a group of good geared 70s (a group, not just one suicide).
I saw lots of people in this forum say things like "On peak hours go instances". I am having fun in the open world on peak hours and PvP engagements are quite usual. Group corpse runs for my group are not so usual. Would be very different situation with the lack of multitasking setup.

Powerwar
10-11-2008, 06:24 AM
Also forgot to tell that I tend to switch one of my shamies with a lvl 70 warlock or lvl 70 warrior from time to time for fun and profit :)
With the current setup I don't need to rekey their abilities nor need to remacro everything, so that makes it very easy for painless switch of some toon.

thinus
10-11-2008, 07:37 AM
I am not sure I understand...you CLICK in your non-main WoWs to refresh totems?

moji
10-11-2008, 08:01 AM
/puts on glasses and picks up coffee cup
Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and kindof disagree with you here.

Bliz UI sucks (yay dragonborder!!). I run over 100 addons on my solo toons, and at least 20 on my mutibox settup. Basically everything you see, I see cleaner and much better.

FTL system rules. Focusless targetless leaderless. read up, confusing as hell, but it's seriously the best thing out there. And 2 minutes rewriting names in 2 macros per toon (using just follow and assist set up as ftl) is all it takes to switch up the team composition and throw in a 70.

Castsequence macros for totems are the hotness. I have 3 buttons that manage 99% of my totemage - G, H and J. # of toons may vary depending on your personal experience. I started with 3 shaman, got them to 62, then abandoned them to RAF level 5 shaman, but am having fun raiding mains and with my locks atm. Castsequences make sure buffs don't overlap and you can have as many out as you need at once, adjusting for bossfights or whatever, even then I'm dropping some totems I don't really need. You don't need more than one stoneskin, but having multiple groundings down is always a good thing, and multiple tremors dropped staggered will mean they pulse different and will break fears faster.

G for pve totems- push once for on the go refill fun, 4 times when you mean business. If you have Totem of Wrath, take off Searing and put that on the second drop, after the streams.
Toon1 - Mana Spring, Stoneskin, Windwall, Searing
Toon2 - Healing Stream, Grounding, Strength, Searing
Toon3 - Healing Stream, Agility, Grounding, Searing
Toon4 - Healing Stream, Grounding, Tremor, Searing
Toon5 - Healing Stream, Tremor, Wrath of Air/grounding, Searing

H for Fire totems, All toons have the same macro. basically this is your anti-melee or close range. 5 novas going off at once is huge, then to follow with magmas while you heal and try to turn and shock them will finish off single or even multiple close range people if they're not getting heals. dropping before they're in melee range, will only make them back out if they know what's good for them.
/cast [mod:shift] Magma Totem
/cast [mod:ctrl] Searing Totem
/castsequence [nomod] Fire Nova Totem, Magma Totem

J for pvp totems not ideal in every situation, haven't perfected it, but still very good.
Toon1 - Mana spring, Searing, Grounding, Tremor
Toon2 - Healing Stream, Grounding, Stoneskin,,
Toon3 - Tremor, Poison Cleansing, Agility,,
Toon4 - Healing Stream, Grounding, Tremor,,
Toon5 - Windwall, Tremor, Healing Stream,,

you can't tell me you can hit "ctrl + 5, 9 , 6 , 3/7/8." faster than I can pop J four times and be ready to rock and roll. And as far as refreshing totems? you actually sit in one place that long? Besides fire totems, which have a very short lifespan and groundings, which I redrop every cooldown in pvp, sans windwall because you really don't need it if you just kill the hunter, I'm never in one spot for more than 2 minutes.

And don't knock burst pew pew. To deny the power of NS - EM - CL is to deny one's own being. Multiboxing is all about burst, baby. Why do you think people complain so much? because 5 people "can't target and burst people down like that." Burst and focus targeting IS our #1 strength.


The main problem with only using macros and a single bar is that you cannot multitask while your enemy group multitasks all the time. Dropping 4 totems (even being different) at the same time is not multitasking.
As you may see, all the bars buttons are keyed, so I can press the key if needed, but in the "Oh shit" moments. I can press the button on my main while the companions are still casting bolts undisturbed by the main's actions. yeah, we all do that, thing is we usually don't need or care to. Macros don't limit my toons abilities in the least. Most my macros are hidden but keybound, EVERY button is visible and clickable-most are also keybound, but with Bongos, it's also small and shoved to the bottom in 4 rows to be non-obtrusive, each box and button a mere quarter of one of the default boxes on it's smallest settings. huge ass screen + good mouse = I can still hit it with pinpoint precision when I need to, even if it's in one of the 4 smaller clone boxes on the right. 5 buttons? I use a ton more than that.

Nothing new dude. try a Tank/DPS/Healer group, most likely the healer is where you're controlling most of the fights and the healer is never targeting a single toon, but everyone else still does their job.

Powerwar
10-11-2008, 08:07 AM
I am not sure I understand...you CLICK in your non-main WoWs to refresh totems?No, unless the main is dead. But I can click on the main and cast different spell while the n on mains are DPSing. For example... the non mains are casting a bolt while the main is healing, refreshing a non stacking totem or whatever else.
It basically allows me to have the main do something else than the companions and that is not scripted, so it can be completely random. And I have to click ONLY if I want the main to do something else.
In world PvP where you get jumped out of the blue by several players this turned to be quite good option.

I have found a great improvement against groups with skilled hunters. Basically the hunter sets his pet to kill my windwall totem all the time, so while the companions are killing the nearby rogue I have the main refresh the windwall totem. You may argue it's just 1.5 seconds difference, but when you are vastly outgeared every second counts.

The usual setups I see in this forum are mainly using one only bar, while I use all the bars.

Powerwar
10-11-2008, 08:17 AM
You can burst the warrior at once... or you can earth shock the priest that heals him while the companions are killing the warrior all that at the same time.

Yes, I could live with 5 buttons only, but that would remove great part of the fun in the game... and also would make me much less competitive against skilled groups of players.

thinus
10-11-2008, 08:29 AM
I am not sure I understand...you CLICK in your non-main WoWs to refresh totems?No, unless the main is dead. But I can click on the main and cast different spell while the n on mains are DPSing. For example... the non mains are casting a bolt while the main is healing, refreshing a non stacking totem or whatever else.
It basically allows me to have the main do something else than the companions and that is not scripted, so it can be completely random. And I have to click ONLY if I want the main to do something else.
In world PvP where you get jumped out of the blue by several players this turned to be quite good option.

Oh ok. I just took that for granted, I assumed everyone does that with non-essential or very situational abilities.


I have found a great improvement against groups with skilled hunters. Basically the hunter sets his pet to kill my windwall totem all the time, so while the companions are killing the nearby rogue I have the main refresh the windwall totem. You may argue it's just 1.5 seconds difference, but when you are vastly outgeared every second counts.

The usual setups I see in this forum are mainly using one only bar, while I use all the bars.

I don't think people really talk about the other bars much as it doesn't really involve multi-boxing. It is just clicking an ability when you want to use it.