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Sina
10-07-2008, 10:40 AM
Tidal Waves -- Riptide now also procs this effect.
Riptide -- We're going to increase the initial healing component.
Storm Reach -- now called “Elemental Reach” and includes Lava Burst.
Improved Fire Nova Totem - Increases the damage done by your Fire Nova Totem by 10/20%, and your Fire Nova totem has a 50/100% chance to stun all targets damaged by your Fire Nova Totem for 2 sec.
Thunderstorm -- We will probably boost the mana return to 8% of total mana. That seems more in line with similar effects. We talked a lot about buffing its damage, but decided that may not be a good idea. With its short range, it isn't a great rotational spell for a raiding Elemental shamans, and making you run up to hit a boss and run back is giving up a lot of cast time. Instead we're going to try to keep the damage and knockback more situational (in PvP it will get used a lot) and make the mana return the big PvE raiding focus.
Maelstrom Weapon -- We have a concern that the proc per minute frequency is too often. According to our numbers, it's balanced for a two-handed weapon and a bit generous for a dual-wielder. However, this would be a nerf to Enhancement dps overall that we'd have to make up elsewhere, and it seems to be a fun change shamans are enjoying. So we're going to let this ride for now. It's something to keep an eye on, but we aren't going to change it yet.
Lava Burst and Lightning Bolt -- And now for a few words on Elemental damage. One of the things we were trying to do to make Elemental dps more interesting was to have a Lava Burst + Flameshock variant. We also themed some new deep talents to support this play style. The problem is that lightning still seems to do more damage than fire, which in turn makes the new talents feel lame because they benefit fire and not lightning.

Now we think that Lava Burst is doing appropriate damage for its cost and if anything Lightning Bolt and Chain Lightning are a little too good. (Remember they benefit from Curse of the Elements and similar spells now.) However, nerfing lightning would make it harder to level as well as making 3.0.2 kind of brutal for Elemental shamans, since Lava Burst is level 75. Hurting lightning would feel like a flat out nerf, and even though you'd partially make up for it at higher level, overall we think this would feel, um, yucky. So no big changes to lightning spells.

We talked a lot about just buffing Lava Burst and a deep fire-based talent or two. This will make Lava Burst too good on paper, but it might work out okay in the game itself. We'll just have to see. We aren't 100% sold on this course of action, so I'll update when we decide for sure.

Once again, these decisions were the consensus of our design team, so please don't give me the credit. In fact, if there are any changes you specifically don't like -- those I had nothing to do with

Bravo
10-07-2008, 10:55 AM
that really conflicts with the newest undocumented patch notes Improved Fire Nova Totem doesn't have a chance to stun targets anymore and will reduce their movement speed instead.

Fleecy
10-07-2008, 04:24 PM
All the information I have read about the fire nova totem includes the two seconds stun, I'd be disappointed if this ability was scrapped. As it is I'm greatly disappointed by the nurf to lightning bolt regardless of the Warlock and Druid buffs.

roxide
10-07-2008, 07:38 PM
I am a bit worried about this
Improved Fire Nova Totem - Increases the damage done by your Fire Nova Totem by 10/20%, and your Fire Nova totem has a 50/100% chance to stun all targets damaged by your Fire Nova Totem for 2 sec.

will we still have
Reduces the delay before your Fire Nova Totem activates by 2 sec or is it just dmg increase?

valkry
10-07-2008, 08:42 PM
Well, from that I can take away two things...lightning bolt isn't actually that good as the devs seem to think so lava burst must be lame. GG blizz...are they even listening to people who are raiding with ele shammies and getting low low dps?

bodefeld
10-09-2008, 12:29 PM
I just found this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsTefpyN50s

It compares an elemental shaman's dps with that of a balance druid. I don't know the exact conditions that were present while testing, but the conclusion is.. dismal.

suprafro
10-09-2008, 01:38 PM
Wow @ 8.5k starfire crits

Kulzor
10-09-2008, 01:54 PM
Yeah, it's too bad you rarely group with a warlock except perhaps in 25 mans. But we are ok with CoE!!

What about when CoE isn't around, smart-alec dev?

Nepida
10-09-2008, 02:07 PM
Current Imp Fire Nova totem just slows targets, but I'm pretty sure that is because the stun change didn't make it into the current build. I can't wait for the stun to be put in, so damn OP coupled with Thunderstorm.

bodefeld
10-09-2008, 02:14 PM
What a pretty avatar you got there, Nepida!

Nepida
10-09-2008, 02:47 PM
thanks :D

Aradar
10-09-2008, 04:40 PM
Assuming the shaman class is as screwed up as most people are currently saying, I think in the end blizz will get it right but the question is how long will it take.

Here is a blue post on what blizzards current goal is regarding competitive dps ('http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10638062486&pageNo=3&sid=2000#43').

Rowdysattva
10-09-2008, 05:39 PM
I have been saying this sucked for awhile now. I saw crap coming when they took off the 10% SD buff from our talents. The last post saying we are too good on paper was insulting.

Really upset.

They may fix it. They may not. I hope they do... or that karma eats them alive.

/cast curse of karma

Rowdysattva
10-09-2008, 05:46 PM
I read what their goals are, but i also read that ele damage is too good on paper. I guess that is only when you roll the paper and smoke it or something.

I would be more reassured if they stated their goals and then admitted we were low... but stating their goals and then saying we are fine or too good atm does not reassure it actually does the opposite.

Dor
10-09-2008, 06:01 PM
I read what their goals are, but i also read that ele damage is too good on paper. I guess that is only when you roll the paper and smoke it or something.

I would be more reassured if they stated their goals and then admitted we were low... but stating their goals and then saying we are fine or too good atm does not reassure it actually does the opposite.


heh sorry made me laugh