Leaderless/Targetless - Focus Based Hydra

[zanthor]

I figured I would share my 5 boxing configuration with the community, it's grown a lot since I started Team Doublemint and things have finally reached the point that I feel it's ready for the world to see! After all, I've now leveled 5 to 70, 5 to 68, 5 to 40... and a coworkers done a 2box team to 60 and his second team to the mid 20's using this system...

My system is based on using focus for targeting based off a leader character. The idea was to be able to change the head of the hydra that leads quickly and easily. I wanted a way to handle collection quests without looting in small windows, and a way to be able to quickly recover in the dead-leader situations. I also wanted it to scale nicely, the addition of another character or removal of a character shouldn't matter.

I use KeyClone all running on a single PC with a suite of Addons that has evolved as time moves on.

Addons Utilized:
Macaroon
Jamba

Macaroon Setup (http://www.dual-boxing.com/showpost.php?p=135014&postcount=22) (Click link, 10,000 character limits suck!)

Assist Setup
I have an assist setup for situations where you want the target of all players to propagate. I setup a single hotkey as an "assist" macro. I personally bound this to F since I'm on WASD all the time anyhow...


/target focustarget

There ya have it, mash that each time you change targets and you are good to go.

Jamba Setup
I utilize Jamba for whisper relays, following, forming the group, auto set to FFA loot, and probably a few others that I haven't recalled yet...

Jamba Config is reached by typing /jamba in game. It is broken down in categories, Jamba, Jamba-Follow, Jamba-Group, etc...

Jamba - I believe I have this all set as default. No leader changing, target changing, focus changing. Since the focus management doesn't work in combat I didn't see it as useful for this configuration.

Jamba-Follow - I warn if I stop following, I don't auto follow after combat, I set the strobe interval at 1 second.

Jamba-Group - Auto Accept Members, Auto Accept Friends, AutoSetLoot to FFA, Auto Promote Master To Leader (I find this handy for instance resets, etc)

Jamba-Me - This is mostly defaults, I think I raised the low health warning...

Jamba-Merchant - I setup buying all consumables, water, anks, etc... very handy feature! I alos autosell grays.

Jamba-No - I don't duel, it's pointless. Jamba saves me time.

Jamba-Quest - I have all but "slave auto accept any quests", "Slave auto complete quest (No reward choice)" and "Quest Silently" checked...

Jamba-Talk - I use this to forward my messages so I don't miss tells. I have had ONE message not get forwarded right, it was early when I was setting up, could have been a timing issue or a user issue...

Jamba-Taxi - This is a godsend for traveling, hit the bird, open the taxi interface for all toons, and fly away... don't have to pick the destination for everyone!

Macro's Utilized:
I wanted minimal macro's, when I first made team doublemint, I spent hours and hours working on macro's... each time I leveled I'd make new ones for new spells, it was very cumbersom. Utilizing the methods detailed here ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&postID=44239') I was able to create a system that didn't require macro's for most of my abilities.

That said... the macro's used...

The Big Button
/script AcceptQuest(); AcceptTrade(); RetrieveCorpse(); RepopMe(); ConfirmAcceptQuest(); StaticPopup_Hide("PARTY_INVITE"); StaticPopup_Hide("QUEST_ACCEPT");
/jamba-group invite

For the most part this button is only used for forming the group and accepting trades... Jamba handles everything else, but it's good to have around for those one off situations where you need it.

Leadership Management
I have 5 hotkeys setup for PIP swap in keyclone, each hotkey is also a macro on all 5 toons, the macro's are designed to make the "big window" the leader, but if you move to a little window and press it, they become leader in that window, which can be useful for fast pvp switches...

The "Make me leader" button...
/focus Samam
/jamba setmeasmaster all
/jamba-follow strobeonme all
/script SetView(5);SetView(5);


The "Make someone else a leader" button...
/focus Samarn
/script SetView(5);SetView(5);

When one of the toons becomes leader, Jamba broadcasts this to the others, they all follow that new leader, strobing follow every 1 second in or out of combat. This stops me from ever having to press a follow macro except in two situations.... drinking and eating...

Fine Dining
Since /follow breaks you out of eating and drinking, I have two macros to stop and start follow... I have my x-keys setup to send my formation spread and stop follow strobe on the same keypress (Spanned keycap), works out well, everyone spreads out a touch, then you hit your chow button and everythings golden.

Start...
/jamba-follow strobeonlast all

Stop...
/jamba-follow strobeoff all

The more I think about it, the more I think I can probably drop teh All, since each toon has that command on a hotkey, the all is just creating some cross client traffic thats not needed... but it's definitely not hurting anything either.

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Anyhow, thats it. If you have any questions, feel free to ask.

[Yagamoth]

That looks much simpler than my setup... I guess I'll take a look onto that jamba, since I've got some heavy problems in switching enemy targets fast. I think that comes from the "/click ActionButton1" in which the modifiers are written down that define the leaders oô...

Thank you for sharing

[zanthor]

NP, I'll be analyzing how I can insert a pally into the mix here for Lich King, I'm not decided yet if I want to keep 5x shaman or go tank + 4... I have a 70 geared pally I can swap in...

[elsegundo]

thank you for sharing.

this looks to be awesome. i've never known about this before and glad that button replacement addons do this. now... i wonder if i can figure out how to use Trinity Bars to get this accomplished. im still pretty new to the options available to me in trinity.

[wizofid]

This is similar to what I have been doing in macros, but it does look like it has some additional advantages.



Question though. You said you wanted a good way to handle colelction quests without having to loot in the little windows... I ma not sure how you are doing that here? It has been one of the issues I am runnig into, even at low levels "kill quests" is only like 20 percent of the quests and sometimes they are in the way of a chain getting done.

[Harem]

THANK YOU! I was in the middle of trying to do the FTL setup with all that entry! You saved me tons of time!

Question though. You said you wanted a good way to handle colelction quests without having to loot in the little windows... I ma not sure how you are doing that here?I think its because it's so easy to run with any of your characters as lead. Finish the collection with one character and simply switch to a new lead and continue. Much easier than trying to lead with one and loot with another - all the switching back and forth and trying to stand in the right place as lead so an alt can loot the body - yuck.

[zoneblitz61]

thank you for sharing.

this looks to be awesome. i've never known about this before and glad that button replacement addons do this. now... i wonder if i can figure out how to use Trinity Bars to get this accomplished. im still pretty new to the options available to me in trinity.

I also would like to know how to setup the bars like bartender with trinity bars. Anyone know?

[zanthor]

I'll be updating this setup in the next 30 days to support Bartender4, however if BT4 doesn't work out I'll be setting up Macaroon most likely (Trinity's continued version.)

[Jheusse]

excellent. I'll be looking forward to it (and angling to beg sample files probably) because I'm right at that stage where my 4 baby shammies are getting enough variety in spells and talents that they may want to use in any given situation that I will finally be branching away from the very basic system I'm running right now. I downloaded BT4 last night to all copies and then ended up swearing and disabling it for the night because of config hassles.

Modality intrigues me, though I'm not sure I fully grasp what it brings to the table, it's a little voodoo to me so far.

[zanthor]

excellent. I'll be looking forward to it (and angling to beg sample files probably) because I'm right at that stage where my 4 baby shammies are getting enough variety in spells and talents that they may want to use in any given situation that I will finally be branching away from the very basic system I'm running right now. I downloaded BT4 last night to all copies and then ended up swearing and disabling it for the night because of config hassles.

Modality intrigues me, though I'm not sure I fully grasp what it brings to the table, it's a little voodoo to me so far.Modality brings the ability to handle macro logic for the bar instead of for each individual button.

basically
if [focustarget,exists] then [target=focustarget] else [target=target]

This lets you just drag and drop buttons onto the bar, and they work like you made a macro for each one...
/cast [target=focustarget,exists]Spell;[target=playertarget,exists]Spell; (I think this is eqivilant, but it's dry code and I'm coffee free)

Basically it saves a BOATLOAD of time and makes changing hotkeys trivial.

[Aethon]

The only sad thing is, do I want to 'fix' all 25 of my toons for this?

I'm really interested in creating the leaderless system (I never care about focus, at least not until I run a Heroic that I need CC in) but I need to work out a couple things.

When you guys PiP out, how do you stop your UI from getting screwed up? i.e. I use pitbull and the party/target frames always get messed up.

[Jafula]

/distract
(I think this is eqivilant, but it's dry code and I'm coffee free)Nooooo, you poor man, such a bad state to be in! Run, get a coffee quick (even an instant if you will).

[Dragonshadow]

This is AMAZING!

THANK YOU SO MUCH!

Not as many damn macros!

[zoneblitz61]

Can someone please tell me how to do the "target=focus, exists" stuff in dominos, or tell me an addon I can dload to let me do it in dominos or how to do it in another bar mod besides bartender 3?

[Dragonshadow]

Oh... Damnit.

Bartender 3 is going to break on the 3.0 patch, and bartender 4 doesn't have advanced bar states.

WTB 3.0 mod that can do this.

[Dragonshadow]

Sorry for double-posting, but I just found this:
http://www.wowace.com/projects/bartender4/pages/custom-state-header/

As said here:
http://forums.wowace.com/showpost.php?p=242620&postcount=685
http://forums.wowace.com/showpost.php?p=242857&postcount=688

He says you will be able to use macro conditions...

Will that allow you to do this again with bartender 4?
If so, how?

[zanthor]

Sorry for double-posting, but I just found this:
http://www.wowace.com/projects/bartender4/pages/custom-state-header/

As said here:
http://forums.wowace.com/showpost.php?p=242620&postcount=685
http://forums.wowace.com/showpost.php?p=242857&postcount=688

He says you will be able to use macro conditions...

Will that allow you to do this again with bartender 4?
If so, how?I tried for a few hours to make BT4 behave like BT3 last night, the conditional code seems to be all about paging NOT about adjusting unit target... I posted in the authors thread asking for a bit o' guidance but I may well be sticking with the /target focustarget macro system in order to allievate an issue in PVP where if the leader is sheeped you can't do anything!

[Dragonshadow]

Sorry for double-posting, but I just found this:
http://www.wowace.com/projects/bartender4/pages/custom-state-header/

As said here:
http://forums.wowace.com/showpost.php?p=242620&postcount=685
http://forums.wowace.com/showpost.php?p=242857&postcount=688

He says you will be able to use macro conditions...

Will that allow you to do this again with bartender 4?
If so, how?I tried for a few hours to make BT4 behave like BT3 last night, the conditional code seems to be all about paging NOT about adjusting unit target... I posted in the authors thread asking for a bit o' guidance but I may well be sticking with the /target focustarget macro system in order to allievate an issue in PVP where if the leader is sheeped you can't do anything!

Yeah BT4 fails. I think macaroon will work though! I'm going to try later.

[zoneblitz61]

Yea, definitely go with macaroon, its highly configurable, and maul has been posting in this thread: Macaroon ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=15070&pageNo=1') answering questions about it on this site.

[rbaldwin7]

Hey thanks for the setup, this is awesome.

One problem I am having is it seems to randomly change leader for no reason, and therefore whom I am following..any ideas?

[Jafula]

One problem I am having is it seems to randomly change leader for no reason, and therefore whom I am following..any ideas? What version of Jamba are you using? There have been some fixes to stop this apparent behaviour in 0.3b.

[zanthor]

Macaroon Setup
Macaroon is a very VERY powerful bar mod that can completely replace all your hotkey bar needs. Of course with great power, comes great confusion. It took me a few hours to figure this out and get it working how I wanted it, and I'll document those steps here for posterity (and practice technical writing).

Install Macaroon ('http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10636-Macaroon.html') and the Macaroon Xtras ('http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10933-MacaroonXtras.html') as found in the macaroon listing on WoWInterface. Remove other bar mods if you want to be 100% sure that your system behaves like mine.

Disable Blizzards Default Bar if desired by going to your system menu (Escape) Options, click on the AddOns tab, click Macaroon on the left column, and uncheck the box that says "Enable Blizzard Main Bar" Click OK to save those settings.

Now to create your main casting bar... type /mac create bar and you will see a naked empty bar in the middle of your screen... and it's tooltip...http://www.botbh.com/zimg/FirstBar.jpg http://www.botbh.com/zimg/FirstBarTooltip.jpg

Note: If at any time you close all your windows, or what not and need to get back here, type /mac config to enter configure mode.

Next, right click the new bar and you'll see a spiffy menu, take a moment to glance over the options. The first option we care about is "Button Count", click that and the menu goes away... if you check your tooltip it has now changed... left click to add buttons, right click to remove buttons, or you can scroll your mousewheel.

For this exercise, add 12 buttons then click ANYWHERE besides the bar to clear that state. If your bar turns back blue, it means you clicked outside it's boundries or moused out too long, just right click and select "Button Count" again to pick up where you left off.

Right Click, then click the Showgrid box if desired.

Next right click the bar, and check the box next to "Custom" to bring up the state editor window, I'm sure this dialog has a more official title, but that's what I'm calling it ;).

http://www.botbh.com/zimg/stateeditor.jpg

Name the bar something compelling and rememberable, Macaroon is CaSeSeNsItIvE so make sure you note that FTBar is different than ftBar. I named mine FTBar because this one is our "focus target" bar. For the "Bar Target" field type in focustarget. Macaroon has a nice selection of choices, but this isn't one, you have to actually type. Down under custom states enter [target=focustarget,exists] and then click done.

Your bar should now look something similar to:
http://www.botbh.com/zimg/statebar.jpg

It's still nice and blue... if you type /mac config it will disappear. Type /mac config a second time to make it show back up.

Note for BT3 Users: A fundamental difference at this point is we need TWO bars to achieve what ONE would do in BT3.

Now create another bar using the nearly the same instructions as above
/mac create bar - Adds your bar.
Right Click, then Click Button Count and add 12 buttons.
Right Click, then click the Showgrid box if desired.
Right Click and then check the box next to Custom.
In the state editor window name your bar, I chose NFBar for "no focus" bar.
Click done.

You now have two bars, and if you click on them, you see their names...

http://www.botbh.com/zimg/twobars.jpg

Next, we need to make them useful! Type /mac edit and you will see they all change to macro buttons. Left click on each button on each bar until they read "action..." If you click too many times, keep clicking, you'll pass through several states (macro, action, pet id:#). (note: one of my toons went linkdead here, and my focus bar disappeared, I logged him back in and once he had a target it reappeared) Once you have all of these bars set to action, set the action ID's.

FTBar - Set to ID 1-12
NFBar - Set to ID 1-12... You'll see why shortly.

The easiest way is to set the FIRST number to 1, then click "Apply" to "propagate Action ID's on Bar". This automatically propagates ID's 1-12 in our example.

Note: This part of the UI is flakey, I find that the numbers dont always show, but if you click in the box and arrow left you find the numbers... I press ctrl-a to select all then backspace to delete it and ensure I have clean data entry.

Ok, now you have two bars full of buttons that look very ODD.... Type /mac edit once again to return to normal, if you have your UI setup to show the grid, you should see something similar to:

http://www.botbh.com/zimg/barswithgrid.jpg

You see that the action ID's associated are residual from your last barmod! Anyhow, if these are the spells your looking for, great, move on, if not, open your spellbook and start dragging! Just drop a spell onto either bar and viola it appears on both...

Macaroon Key Bindings
I made this header bigger, bolder and redder to get your attention, this parts important.

Type /mac config and then mouse over your bars, identify WHICH is the focustarget bar, as this is the bar you must keybind.
Type /mac bind to enter keybind mode, mouse over the previously identified bars buttons and press the key you desire to be bound with the mouse over each button. Once you are done binding, type /mac bind again to exit binding mode.

Final Words on Macaroon
Ok, at this point you should have two mirrored bars, one will show up and disappear with your focus target, and the other stays all the time. I stack mine on top of each other, since they have the same ID's bound the appearance/disappearnce doesn't do anything for me.

[zanthor]

http://www.botbh.com/zimg/macaroon-profile.jpg
Attached is my profile for macaroon, the bars will layout as you see above. To install this profile unzip the contents into your wow\wtf\account\savedvariables folder then go into wow and open your addon options, click the + next to Macaroon and click on profiles.

The keybindings are going to be wierd for you, unless you happen to have an x-keys pro setup exactly how I do ;). Button 5 on the first bar is an anomoly, it's not a button ID but a big gnarly macro for shaman healing love.

Can't seem to get the attachment to work, so you can grab the profile here ('http://www.botbh.com/zfiles/Macaroon-Profiles.zip').

[delafoo]

Wow. JAMBA is the bomb!

This is soo much easier than spending a few hours per toon to set up the FTL system, provided you don't make a typo have have search for it in that system ;p

Thanks for this post!

[zanthor]

Wow. JAMBA is the bomb!

This is soo much easier than spending a few hours per toon to set up the FTL system, provided you don't make a typo have have search for it in that system ;p

Thanks for this post!Each has it's own benefit, I've actually significantly revamped my setup now that I have a better idea of how Macaroon works, I'll be writing it up in the near future, but it uses the Macaroon profile system instead of complicated bars.

[Poetry]

When you guys PiP out, how do you stop your UI from getting screwed up? i.e. I use pitbull and the party/target frames always get messed up.

Could be UI Scale. For me I had to check off Use UI Scale in Video settings and set it to .9 (/console uiscale .9). I'm sure this is a different number for different hardware. This setting is game wide.

[zoneblitz61]

sometimes when I click on a target with my main, i notice that my alt doesn't pickup the target. Not really sure whats causing it.

[zanthor]

When you guys PiP out, how do you stop your UI from getting screwed up? i.e. I use pitbull and the party/target frames always get messed up.

Could be UI Scale. For me I had to check off Use UI Scale in Video settings and set it to .9 (/console uiscale .9). I'm sure this is a different number for different hardware. This setting is game wide.As long as your aspect ratios are the same the UI should be fine. I ran into this when I didn't have KeyClone setup right on the maximizer. On the maximizer tab of keyclone check your resolution, down towards the bottom just above teh "always on top" checkbox you have a combo box, the resolution in here can NOT BE LOWER than 800x600 or WoW will reset to 800x600.

I run my main PIP @ 1680x1050 and the smaller ones @ 410x256, the bottom box I set at the resolution of the main window which locks my aspect ratio in position for launching wow.

sometimes when I click on a target with my main, i notice that my alt doesn't pickup the target. Not really sure whats causing it.This is something I've experienced since the expansion, I find pressing the hotkey which focus's all alts on the main again tends to fix it, or switching targets after that... very annoying considering how fluid this was pre-patch.

[zoneblitz61]

I run my main PIP @ 1680x1050 and the smaller ones @ 410x256, the bottom box I set at the resolution of the main window which locks my aspect ratio in position for launching wow.

sometimes when I click on a target with my main, i notice that my alt doesn't pickup the target. Not really sure whats causing it.This is something I've experienced since the expansion, I find pressing the hotkey which focus's all alts on the main again tends to fix it, or switching targets after that... very annoying considering how fluid this was pre-patch.

yea i change my follow macro to reestablish focus on my main, so I can make sure my alt will always follow and assist me.

[wougoose]

When you guys PiP out, how do you stop your UI from getting screwed up? i.e. I use pitbull and the party/target frames always get messed up.

Could be UI Scale. For me I had to check off Use UI Scale in Video settings and set it to .9 (/console uiscale .9). I'm sure this is a different number for different hardware. This setting is game wide.

Make sure your maximizer screens in keyclone are all set to the same aspect ratio.
Manually edit config.wtf for each individual instance and set the resolution to the same values used for the screens in keyclone.
Mark the config.wtf as read-only to prevent WoW from resetting the values to 800x600.

Problem solved :)

[Aethon]

The ratio was what was wrong. My main screen was 1280x1024 (1.25) and the alts were all at 800x600 (1.3333).

I changed the main to 1600x1200, but ended up having to reduce the UI scale anyway. (on the alts, it seemed fine, and at 1280x1024, it seemed fine) I ran into the issue of my side bars bumping into the bottom of my minimap.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Zanthor has the best plan.

Macaroon
Keyclone
Jamba

I use and support all three.

If yur new to boxing, those three are the way to go.

[Redbeard]

How do you share profiles between accounts?

I created some profiles on my main account that id like to use for every character i create (a default profile)... only shows up for characters on that account though. Ive checked in the macaroonprofiles.lua file to see if there was somewhere it referenced my acccount name or something but cant find anything.

[zanthor]

How do you share profiles between accounts?

I created some profiles on my main account that id like to use for every character i create (a default profile)... only shows up for characters on that account though. Ive checked in the macaroonprofiles.lua file to see if there was somewhere it referenced my acccount name or something but cant find anything.You need to look in the saved variables folder for macaroonprofile.lua and copy that to the other characters saved variables folder..

c:\program files\world of warcraft\wtf\account\[account name]\saved variables\macaroon profile.lua (forget the exact name)... copy that from the toon with the profile to the toons without.

[Redbeard]

Bless you.

[zanthor]

Wow this is far back, bump for the visibility.

[zanthor]

Coming Soon:
Posess Bar Setup Pet Bar SetupBoth of these are heavily utilized in expansion. I'll also be adding a method for sustained target on slaves for CC since I found out shamans have Hex @ 80 which means I'll need a way to maintain 5 unique targets.

[Dragonshadow]

YES!
YES!
YES!

I got this working with bartender 4 and only one bar (not 2)! /flex

/happydance

Just a quck thing:

Bartender 4, bar config, choose bar, go to state configurations, check auto-assist, scroll to bottom, check use custom conditions, put [target=focus, exists] in there. Done!

I am soooooo happy now. Macaroon is powerful, but using two bars is hell for me (lol).

Edit: Still working on some things, not working 100% of the time lol.

[olipcs]

Great setup zanthor, keep the good work comming...

..although, i myself are a big fan of the ftl, i recommend this setup for all people who the ftl is to setup-complex, or who doesn't need focusless..
..one tiny thing to add: Perhaps links to macaroon and tha jamba-thread, where you mention them would be a little enhancement.

[zanthor]

Great setup zanthor, keep the good work comming...

..although, i myself are a big fan of the ftl, i recommend this setup for all people who the ftl is to setup-complex, or who doesn't need focusless..
..one tiny thing to add: Perhaps links to macaroon and tha jamba-thread, where you mention them would be a little enhancement.By 80th I'll be changing over to a FTL setup and/or figuring out how to use target as a focus (which I've tried in the past with my mages and was unreliable) since my shamans get hex @ 80, need to be able to CC effectively.

[olipcs]

By 80th I'll be changing over to a FTL setup If you need any help setting it up simply ask :) (although if you then still use IS for key broadcasting my help would be a little limited (as i inly tried is for the pip and broadcast my keys with hkn).

And if you go the 'unconventional-way' and develop a better system without using focus, i'm more than happy to hear :)

[zanthor]

By 80th I'll be changing over to a FTL setup If you need any help setting it up simply ask :) (although if you then still use IS for key broadcasting my help would be a little limited (as i inly tried is for the pip and broadcast my keys with hkn).

And if you go the 'unconventional-way' and develop a better system without using focus, i'm more than happy to hear :)I have a pretty good grasp on how and why FTL works, the only reason I didn't do it was the need for a 5 condition macro per spell.

[wowphreak]

"5 condition macro per spell. "?

Why dont yeh use a seperate assist key that way all the other spells macros dont need "5 condition macro per spell. "

[zanthor]

"5 condition macro per spell. "?

Why dont yeh use a seperate assist key that way all the other spells macros dont need "5 condition macro per spell. "Because for just about 1,000 levels now I've been doing it without needing an assist. For about 25 levels I tried using an assist, and it's far less efficient. Even when I got past the muscle memory issues it wasn't as accurate or as consistent as /cast [target=focustarget]Spell.

[Dragonshadow]

I want a custom state maker that will let me do something like /cast * spell

Where I can set star to be anything I want.

Without a vanishing bar -.-

[olipcs]

grats to the sticky zanthor :)

[Method]

Hey, thanks for this.

I do have one question. How do you handle hex if you are using focus for targeting?

[zanthor]

Hey, thanks for this.

I do have one question. How do you handle hex if you are using focus for targeting?I don't. I'll be dealing with it somehow soon though.

Originally I started with a focus based system for my pally/mage/mage/priest/priest group and found it wasn't reliable, so I changed to a fixed leader party1target based system for everything, free up focus that way... With this team I tried using /target based CC macros while using /focus for dps, the problem is that while focus is set and remains (even after a mob dies) target doesn't necessarily do that, so I had many interesting situations where target loss caused sheeping of the wrong target, etc.

I'll most likely move on to a FTL with sticky targeting, I saw the method to use /click (button with your targeting logic in it) followed by /cast spells and realized that my biggest beef with FTL was creating a big complex macro for each cast, if you need to change/update you are fixing a LOT of code, with the /click/cast technique you have 1 targeting logic button inline with all y our casting buttons... much easier to work with.

[Rowdysattva]

Zanthor,

Sorry if i am not understanding this setup.

I have been playing around with it and everything works great except my keybindings for the FTBar are not carried over to the NFBar... this means if i bind my LB to "R" on my FTBar then when i don't have a focus who has a target i have to click the LB icon and can't press "R" because the "R" is not carried over. I have the same actionid# for each of the buttons on each of the bars so i thought the keybinds might be carried over. When i drop a spell into the FTBar it also goes into the NFBar but the keybind is not carried over. Is there anyway to get "R" bound to the same spell in the same button slot on both bars? This would be helpful for when i pvp solo as well as pvp in MB mode. I dread having to click all my abilities when i am in solo mode.

I would also like the ability to have macros set up in my FTBar that would be cast on the target of my focus, but i can't figure out how. When i drop a macro written in the wow macro interface into an action button and cast it (a CL/LB macro) it says i have no target if i am casting from the FTBar (even when i have a focus that has a target that is hostile). If i cast my CL/LB macro (Again, in an action button not a macro button) from the NFBar it works fine. So it looks like wow macros can go in action button slots but they can't use the special targeting of the FTBar? If i change the button to a macro button on the FTBar and write the macro out in the macaroon interface it still says i have no target. The same macaroon macro written and on the NFBar works fine. I like to have my CL and LB on one key bind with conditions... anyway to do this with your method?

EDIT: I have another post in these forums about helping me to use Jamba to train my Hydra. I continue my efforts from this post there. As of now i have solved all the problems i talked about in this post and now i just can't figure out how to break follow. After that it is into the instances of outland for me!

[SlayerX]

BUMP*

[ColAngus]

Jamba is by far one of the coolest add-ons I've ever used. I'm currently running 3 mages at level 70 and am adding a 4th to the group. I'm going to get this set up for them asap.

[AtroxCasus]

I realize this thread is a little old, but I'm going back through these forums since I am thinking about grinding out a Healadin and it means dusting off my macros and refreshing my memory on how the hell I levelled my 4 box team. So, a question first, followed by an observation. The question is

Has it been determined as of the latest patch that BT 4 absolutely does not support that paging feature that let you build the "macro commands" into the toolbars? And if so, is Macaroon the only one that allows it now?

The observation:

Anyway, I notice a recurring theme seems to be what a pain collection quests are. If you ar referring to ones like "Go gather 10 of these plants", well, I can't really help you there with any suggestions, but on quests where all your toons need to loot an item off a corpse or something, those ar easy sauce. Using Keyclone with maximizer, you can set it up to follow your mouse. I keep my main on auto loot since in most cases she gets to pick everything up and the others just become sell to vendor mules. The others are also on auto loot. This means if I mouse off the main window onto one of the small ones, I can "double click" on the corpse and it will loot the quest item, and I just do that 3 times. It is very fast and doesn't actually take what I consider a long time. The first click makes the window the "active" one and the second click loots. To make sure they're all in position, I usually just stop the main slightly in front of the corpse. Even with collection quests like gathering something off the ground, this works quickly enough for me that the only thing that makes them time consuming is the need for each toon to find the separate items.

I know dogma is to avoid these quests like the plague, but when you are levelling out of zones at the rate of 2 or 3 a day (or more if you have more play time than I do), sometimes it pays to milk as much xp as you can from a given chain of quests.

Anyway hope this helps someone out.

[Noodlez]

I'm using this set up now and loving it.I tried FTL, but I just couldn't get it to work for some reason. I'll give it a try later, but I'm quite happy with this set up.
I wonder if it had something to do with running on 2 computers(the FTL setup) and the 2nd Keyclone would stop. Perhaps, but I moved everything back to one computer and have had no issues so far. Thanks for this guys, I really like it!

[EvilTofu]

I have been playing around with it and everything works great except my keybindings for the FTBar are not carried over to the NFBar... this means if i bind my LB to "R" on my FTBar then when i don't have a focus who has a target i have to click the LB icon and can't press "R" because the "R" is not carried over. I have the same actionid# for each of the buttons on each of the bars so i thought the keybinds might be carried over. When i drop a spell into the FTBar it also goes into the NFBar but the keybind is not carried over. Is there anyway to get "R" bound to the same spell in the same button slot on both bars? This would be helpful for when i pvp solo as well as pvp in MB mode. I dread having to click all my abilities when i am in solo mode.

I've got the same issue with this setup.

So I cast everything from my Main's normal bars, which is mirrored by my two slave's FTbars. Target a mob with the Main and hit "3" and everyone blasts the same mob with a lightning bolt. . . works great.

Now let's say my Main (leader) dies and I swap over to slave1 with a hotkey. Slave1 is now the leader, slave2 sets his focus to slave1 (now leader). Everything is going pretty awesome at this point, but now I can't cast lighting bolt because the hotkey for that is bound to an FTbar on this toon. Since he is now the leader, he doesn't have a focus and the FTbar isn't even visible.

. . . I think I just answered my own question. If slave1 (or whoever becomes the new leader) can set his focus to himself, then all is well. Target a mob and pew pew. I'm going to try this after this freakin' OS raid tonight and see how it goes. Will update later if this works.

Edit: Works like a dream. So along with switching my main window in maximizer, now my "Switch Leader" macro looks like this:

/jamba setmeasmaster all
/focus name2
/script SetView(5);SetView(5);

It makes name2 the leader and sets his focus to himself, then when he targets something, the FTbar comes up and its go-time.

[Ulishu]

What is the function of this line:
/script SetView(5);SetView(5);

And which addon is it part of? My change focus macro doesn't work smoothly or consistently, so I'm trying to figure out why it's failing. I think it might be partly due to differing latency between chars during the focus/follow changes. Sometimes maximizer doesn't swap the windows; other times the focus/follow doesn't change properly. Last night I ended up with 2 chars follow-strobing on each other. That was interesting.

[olipcs]

/script SetView(5);SetView(5); This changes your viewpoint imidiatly, and its a basic blizz API-Function, so no addon is involved.
This is mostly needed when trying to use taretted AOE spells with mouse-broadcasting, where the viewpoints need to be the same.

[Slauterhause]

Thanks for starting this thread, it's been extremely helpful to me. For quite awhile I've been putting off going to a TL setup because I thought it would be a difficult thing to start, but much to my surprise it really wasn't. All praise Jamba, and the OP for breaking it down for my newish self.

[EvilTofu]

/script SetView(5);SetView(5); This changes your viewpoint imidiatly, and its a basic blizz API-Function, so no addon is involved.
This is mostly needed when trying to use taretted AOE spells with mouse-broadcasting, where the viewpoints need to be the same.I'm not using any mouse broadcasting functionality at the moment. I just like the SetView(5) script to reset my camera when I switch to a slave toon (especially handy for melee classes). I use a Picture-in-a-Picture layout for my slave windows, turn off all the auto-functions of the camera, and spin one of the windows around to act as a rearview mirror when I'm running around questing. At least it gives me a little warning when I'm about to get ganked from behind, or the opportunity to do something about it if my toons are a competitive level.

[wildturk]

Is there a place to find out what the commands are for jamba or is there a command within jamba to invite my team from my main i know basic commands within a macro using default /macro but i was wanting to know were to find a list of all the commands usable by jamba itself. Also when i switch leads i get unknown command "setmeasmaster all".

[Ualaa]

I believe the Jamba commands are listed in the Jamba sticky thread, on the macro/addon forum.