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Xzin
05-28-2007, 06:57 AM
I have decided to put together a huge distillment of my boxing experiences to help newcomers with multiboxing as I keep seeing the same questions come up time and time again. Below are the bulk of my methods of how I go about hardware boxing and what worked for me back around 2004, when I started boxing. Back then, there were no software programs out there and computers simply did not have the power to run multiple copies (even all 5) of WoW. Methods keep evolving and what works for me may not work for you as our end goals may be different.

For more information on how to software box 3, 4 or even 5 accounts on a fairly modern single CPU, take a look at this thread:

http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums2/viewtopic.php?t=1767

There are drawbacks of course but it is by far a cheaper option (around $1500 for everything). I would still suggest reading this thread to learn the basics of boxing.

I can't speak to dual boxing as much as 5 boxing but I did put together a VERY detailed writeup on exactly how I used to 5 box. I now 10 box - using the same basic hardware and setup but with more computers and a more complex setup.

I am releasing this text under the creative commons some rights reserved license. You are free to copy it to a wiki (Wikipedia may be a good bet) and add and modify it as you see fit - but no commercial exploitation of my work, please. If you do post this, please acknowledge me as the author. I have put A LOT of time and money into building my setup and I do not make any money doing this. I did almost all of the work from scratch - deciding on the best way to plan and implement my setup. I built this for ME and my specifications, which may differ from yours. If you don't like something, think it costs too much, or want to modify it - please do so. It is your setup. I just lay the foundation; just make sure you understand how everything connects and functions as part of this system - changing things can sometimes, but not always be expensive or difficult. While I have given this a great deal of thought, it is possible I have missed things or passed over an easier solution. If so - please feel free to post about it.

The writeup is below. If somebody wants to take it and add their information on how to dual box or use software programs, that would be most helpful to people new to multiboxing.

Sections need to be added that deal with: Synergy Setup, Macro Layout, Tips and Tricks, Key Placement, Movement, Common PvP Tactics, Common PvP Problems, Cloth Tanking, PvE Boss Fight Arrangements and High End Raid Multiboxing.

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High End World of Warcraft Multiboxing - Five (or More) Characters at Once

By Xzin - Magtheridon (Xzin, Azin, Bzin, Czin, Dzin - Xyzin, Ayzin, Byzin, Cyzin, Dyzin)

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x45/Xzin-WoW/31760.jpg

My name is Xzin and I am (to the best of my knowledge) the only serious 5 boxer who was able to achieve Warlord on five characters at the same time before the first WoW expansion came out. The reason for this is simple. I designed my setup from the beginning to support ultra low latency, maximum spell synergy and high burst damage dealing. Everything I did was carefully chosen to maximize my DPS and reaction times - even if there were other, slower or less reliable methods available. I took great pains to design a system that would work for me from the ground up and I had the resources to make it happen. Building bits and pieces will work but nothing is as good as doing it all at the same time with the exact same hardware.

While I am not the first person ever to box (people were doing it in Dark Age of Camelot http://www.teamwizzy.com and other prior MMORPGs such as EverQuest and the like), I achieved rank 13 on all five characters at the same time and am well known on my server and battlegroup as a player who knows how to play and was nothing to sneeze at in PvP. At times, I have singlehandedly changed the course of AVs and was able to "solo" every 5 man dungeon - with only cloth characters and a single healer.

Below, I present my views on multiboxing and lay out a guide to what I did and where I obtained my hardware. My focus was PvP from the beginning and I never started with two or three characters and expanded to five. I started with one, decided the game was too boring that way and moved straight to five. Not to sound egotistical but if there was a better way to do this, I certainly would love to know. Seriously. There may be cheaper ways but not as solid or as reliable or flexible. If you do have suggestions, please let us know. I would like to add it to my setup and I am sure others would as well. Lastly, my setup is expensive. There are somewhat cheaper ways to do what I have done but not too many corners can be cut. Be prepared to lay out at least $5,000 or more to do this seriously. The setup I have listed below should be considered the bare minimum needed to do this and PvP successfully. If you have decided that this is what you want to do - great. Read on. If not then well.... go back to playing normally or dual boxing. There is to the best of my knowledge no way to do this (well) for under two or three thousand US dollars. There ARE methods of 5 boxing on newer, modern hardware that simply did not exist ~ 3 years ago. There are some tricks you have to use and software utilities that make this possible. If your system crashes, all 5 of your accounts will go down and even with this method, you still need to set all of your settings to the minimum and still need a ~ $1500+ machine. So, it is possible to 5 box on a budget. Just don't expect to 5 box in mid 2007 for under $1000. Eventually, you will be able to run 10 or perhaps more accounts on a single box, with maximum resolution and settings, on multiple monitors. For the time being, I still suggest dedicated systems.

Interviews:

WoW Insider http://www.wowinsider.com/2006/12/15/interview-with-xzin-the-man-with-ten-arms/

Buffed.de Magazine
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x45/Xzin-WoW/BuffedMag.jpg

Movies:

Farming SM Cath - 5 Boxing
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3697765098130473147

TBC Beta Arena 5v5 5 Boxing
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3471302298396612214

Xzin - WoW - Multiboxing 2.2 PTR AV - 8 Mages 1 Priest
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6930129826198866919

Xzin - 10 Box Movement Tests
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7775069164425274386

Xzin 2.2 PTR AV Drak Defense - Multiboxing World of Warcraft - 8 Mages 2 Priests
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3362253299568326708


So you want to four box (or more?) WoW? This is a serious decision and needs to be thought about BEFORE purchasing hardware or setting things up. To be done successfully, first identify your target goals. Do you want to PvE, requiring a more balanced group and a less time critical interface, or PvP, which requires maximum flexibility with somewhat more limited class selections, minimal latency and the full gamut of specialized hardware?

Hopefully you are coming across this guide as a Wiki. If so, please feel free to modify it and improve upon it. I am sure there is more that I could add here but I eventually tired of spelling this all out. I spent literally months figuring all of this out and quite a bit of money deciding on what works and what does not. I hope that the community will add on to this and potentially come up with something better. If nothing else, I hope this guide helps you out and makes your five boxing that much easier to do. Make sure you understand why you are doing things the way you are doing though - I set this up for myself and I know how it all fits together. Your success will depend greatly upon your ability to thoroughly understand your setup and improve upon it.

Before you begin, please be aware that increasing capabilities of graphics cards, processors, software drivers and software utilities are making it possible to multibox two (or potentially more) copies of WoW on a single machine with the same feature sets as my hardware method, described below. I am still a bit new to those options so I will not speak to them just yet, but I have tested a "low" high end processor (around $180) dual core system with a 8600 GT graphics card and 2 gigs of ram - running around the bank gives 55+ fps on both screens (minimum settings, except terrain distance, which is set to max) at a resolution of 1600 x 1280 per account. So, the hardware is able to make it happen without making huge FPS sacrifices (yes, I know you can play at 20 fps with huge graphics lag spikes but that is not acceptable for PvP). The hard part is how to send two mice to two copies of WoW on the same computer as well as broadcasting keyboard entry. If I am able to figure out how to do this, I would be able to theoretically use 6 computers to control 10 accounts.... meaning I can shave off $2000 of computer costs as well as remove the need for as many (possibly any) Vetras or KVMs. The only downside is this DOES require the use of "third party" programs. I cannot make any statement as to if Blizzard would consider banning somebody for using these programs but the fact that it has to hook into mouse and keyboard functions does put it in the "somewhat gray area' category. That said though, many other drivers, common network admin utilities and other simple things like the G15 keyboard do the exact same thing..... and none of the programs are bots or in anyway automate gameplay in a way to allow unattended gaming. I suppose Autohotkey could be scripted but then again I am not sure exactly how that would help you.... it is not like you could walk away and smash face in the BGs or have your character leveled for you. You still need to send input to the keyboard and move the mouse around.

If you are going to four box, you might as well five box. You get the ability to run your own group, can enter 5v5 Arenas, fill out an entire group yourself and the hardware costs are not too much greater to buy five over four. I personally suggest going for all five instead of four but you can work with four. However, if you are going to do four (about $850 more), you might consider only doing three. You get the benefits of being able to do a 3v3 arena team and three is much less complex than four.

PvE or PvP?

In general, PvE is far more forgiving than PvP. Each event is scripted, it starts when you start it and you can try the same boss dozens of times. While I still strongly suggest the hardware only route, if you ONLY want to PvE then software solutions may work for you and save you a few hundred dollars. PvP is dynamic. You never know what you will be up against and you will need to respond appropriately to everything you can imagine. PvP is intolerant of latency (even from keyboard only KVM switching) and many software options will not work well enough to PvP with. You will need more advanced macros and will need to think about and plan for contingencies that PvE will never throw at you.

Server Selection

Scout out the server and see what kind of ratio it has. Is it an old server or a new one? Old servers tend to have established PvP and knowledgeable players. It can be harder to find groups (not an issue if you are five boxing) and they tend to have a more vibrant auction system and economy. All told, go with an established server over a new one. Server choice of PvE or PvP is up to you but I prefer to PvP so the choice for me was clear. Remember, you can always move to a PvE server from a PvP but not the other way around - so if in doubt, go PvP.

I personally play on Magtheridon-US with perhaps 4 - 5 other serious 5+ boxers. The alliance ratio is great (constant games) and the battlegroup is mostly older servers - so the PvP is decent. If you are going to box and don't have a server in mind - roll on Magtheridon!

Class Selection

I am a bit biased and I mainly built my setup to PvP so my class selection was based around the ability to dish out burst damage and stay alive. Hence my choice of 1 priest (aoe healing, stam buffs, flash heals, trinkets break poly/fear, shields, fear and dot heals) and 4 mages (AoEs, PoM/Pyros, instant cast DDs, portals, poly + counterspell x 4, water, range damage, etc). Other viable PvP builds are 1 priest and 4 warlocks, 5 shamans and possibly 5 priests. PvE builds are varied. It would be possible to run a holy trinity group (tank, healer, dps dps dps) without too much difficulty. Warrior, Priest, Warlock x3 or Warrior, Priest, Mage x3 would be a good choice as would 4x shamans and 1x warrior but in general the more classes the harder and more complex everything gets. Due to the game mechanics, picking two classes is easier to deal with than five separate ones, even if five separate ones would in theory be the better choice. In essence, I two box a priest and mages. I simply send spell commands to all four mages and setup the priest macros to ignore the mage ones and visa versa. This works great - but adding another class would make things unbearably complex for a beginner and would make things quite challenging for me.

Race Selection

In my opinion there is only one race to pick. Undead. They have Will of the Forsaken. WOTF breaks fear. Fear is really bad when you are grouped up. Dwarfs might be a good bet but who wants to cast fear ward all the time? In my personal opinion the only real choice is male or female characters and what they look like. If you pick Tauren, you can chain Warstomps and if you pick Blood Elf, you can chain 2 second stuns (although both have diminishing returns). Of course, doing so you will lose WOTF and limit your class selection. If you want to get really fanatical about your characters, make them all look the same like I did with the Zins. It makes them blend in a bit better when they are all standing on one spot. If you are going with 4 or 5 shamans, you obviously cannot be undead. In that case, staggered tremor totems and 2 minute trinkets work well enough to compensate.

http://www.wowwiki.com/images/3/39/Spell_Shadow_RaiseDead.png
Will of The Forsaken

Will of the Forsaken (Racial)
Instant 2 min cooldown
Provides immunity to Charm, Fear and Sleep while active. May also be used while already afflicted by Charm, Fear or Sleep. Lasts 5 sec.

Naming

Believe it or not, the names you pick for your characters make a difference. By picking logical names you will be quicker to react and it will be easier to tell your characters apart. I personally choose Azin, Bzin, Czin and Dzin for my mages names because they are easy to tell which is which. Xzin is my priest - nobody is going to confuse X with the first few letters. Some people choose A,B,D,E as their secondary characters and C as their main, or A,B,C,D as their secondaries and E as their main. The choice is up to you, as long as you are able to differentiate which is which then go for it. I don't personally see why E,F,G,H and Z could not work - but it just seems to make sense to make this as easy as possible. You will have enough going on as it is and fast and accurate recognition of who needs healing when is critical. Also, by picking X as a main, you reduce the chances you will randomly target somewhere else when / if you ever /follow x. Not very many characters names start with X.

The TRULY devious will pick names that sound nearly the same over Vent/TS to better obfuscate target "training" and subsequent burst damage as well as generally foul up target selection against you in BGs and arenas. This can take the shape of either names that are very similar in pronunciation like wilboor wilbour etc or nonsensical names like lillilili and liililil etc.

Also keep in mind there is now a name change service.

Ziran pointed out that the order your characters will appear in a group is determined by when you create the characters.

WoW orders the party in the reverse order of the absolute character creation time. In other words, you want to make your "main" last, and your others in reverse order.

If you want:

Xzin
Azin
Bzin
Czin
Dzin

you need to make them in this order:

Dzin
Czin
Bzin
Azin
Xzin

Also of note: you can reserve names by creating level 1s with whatever name you want. Upon deletion, that name is freed up for (presumably) you to take. This is helpful to ensure all 5 names are available.

Physical Layout

Once again, this small detail makes a difference. If you run 5 or 6 monitors, I strongly suggest some logical order to how your characters are arranged and which computer runs which character. Your "main" is generally in the middle and the secondaries flank your main to either side. My personal choice is A in the lower left, B upper left, C upper right and D lower right. The upper middle is for browsing the internet, looking up quests, vent, etc. My key arrangement mirrors this and the X-Keys Desktop and Pro are perfect for this kind of setup as they have 4 keys wide and 5 vertical. Making your physical interface as intuitive as possible will speed the learning process and make far more logical sense when playing.

Getting Started

Ok, so you have the idea and the names and you know how many characters you want to box and a basic idea of if you want to PvE or PvP. Now comes the hard part. Paying for it all. You will need four identical machines. Literally, identical machines, down to the revision numbers on the components. I build my own machines but buying them is certainly an option. This project, done at its most basic hardware level, will cost $4280, not counting tax and shipping. Done right, it will push $5k, plus monthly fees. Depending on your perspective, this may be a lot of money. Nobody ever said multiboxing at this level was cheap but I can certainly think of far more expensive hobbies.

Computers

Before you get started on computers - consider laptops. 5 computers will require a great deal more power and needs extra cooling. They will also be impossible to upgrade the cpu/gpu, tend to have lower memory, no native PS/2 support (this can be added through USB), awful integrated graphics cards and poor cooling. You also will likely be paying twice for monitors and will most likely be using 5400 rpm hard drives instead of 7200 - making responsiveness a *tad* bit slower. Plus, gaming laptops tend to be 2 - 3x as expensive than a comparable desktop. I went with desktops but I also needed to purchase $2000+ worth of electrical and HVAC upgrades. You may be able to get around it with cooling fans, extension cords and the like but I would suggest that you at least give gaming laptops some thought - especially if you only want to 2 or 3 box. Just make sure you have a decent GPU - the mobile versions tend to be pretty bad - check your benchmarks!

If you decide to build, I suggest a MicroATX motherboard (that supports ELECTRICAL x16 PCI-E - a lot ONLY support 1x electrical but 16x physical - a big problem!), a single or dual core AMD (cheaper but still beefy) processor, at least 1 gig of memory, an 80 gig hard drive, cases, power supplies, an nVidia 6600 GT or better (avoid 6200, 7200s, etc and avoid all built in video cards).

You will need four of these machines, assuming you already have a box that is at least as beefy as these. I ran Xzin on some pretty fast hardware and the Zins on slightly slower hardware. If money is not an issue then buy five identical machines and defragment regularly and you should see them load at nearly the exact same time. Put solid state hard drives in there and short of latency, everything should match up perfectly. You can take this as far as you want to go (and spend as much as you can possibly spend) but MicroATX boards with a solid video card and processor will run WoW at optimum framerates with decent quality and max sight distance. Period. ATX mobos or top of the line systems are just icing. I may be willing to spend a lot more than the average person on WoW (as will you if but not for monthly subscription costs alone) but I am also practical. Each "bare bones" system will run approximately $500 or $2000 for four systems. You can skimp a lot and get a system for about $100 less, but I don't suggest skimping too much.

Total Cost - $2000
Running total cost - $2000.

Monitors

LCD Monitors are dirt cheap these days. Do not go CRT. Any 15 - 17" monitor will work perfectly. If you want a larger monitor for the center screen that is perfectly fine but WoW can be played fine on 17" monitors and anything bigger will make it very hard to monitor your "secondary" characters as they will be out of your peripheral vision. So when one gets rooted, sapped, feared etc - you will likely not even know it. You can get a solid 17" monitor for $150. I highly suggest getting ones with as small a bezel as possible to enable them to be placed as close as possible to each other. Response time is a personal preference but nearly any 17" LCD these days is more than sufficient for your purposes.

Total Cost - $600
Running Total - $2600

Monitor Mounts

You have four (possibly more) options here. The best option (and most expensive) is to purchase an Ergotron DS100 triple monitor arm. If you want to mount six monitors (one for websites, email, vent, etc) then buy their 24" pole, triple monitor mount and either a desk stand or desk clamp mount. Then just mount your bottom monitors using their existing stands and save some money. They have newer options that articulate and you can certainly get two triple arms if you wish but each triple arm runs about $200. These are on ebay all the time and are rock solid - I highly suggest buying used and saving a hundred bucks or so. You may (probably will) need to buy a 24" pole to go along with the triple arm. These are fairly cheap. If you cannot find one (the DS100 line has been discontinued but parts abound still) then go to http://www.onlinemetals.com and buy a 24" 1.5" aluminum TUBE (not pipe). With as thick a wall as you feel comfortable with. I suggest at least 1/8". Pipe does not have a 1.5" OD (outer diameter). The ergotrons all use
1.5" OD circular tubing.

http://accessories.euro.dell.com/sna/images/products/mlrg/IM-M48Z016.jpg
Triple Ergotron DS 100 with Freestanding Mount

The second option is to build your own array. See (http://www.plastk.net/highres/24mon/) for an idea. Most monitors are 75 or 100mm VESA mounts. The 100 mm ones (and I think the 75 ones too) use 4x M4 x 10 mm screws to connect the mounts to the monitor. You can build your own array our of some cheap MDF board and some screws at your local home improvement store if you have the tools to do so. This is simple, cheap and easy to reconfigure. If you want plans, go make them yourself. I bought Ergotrons.

http://www.plastk.net/images/gigapixel/quake/cluster_side.jpg

The next to last option is the Ellay option.
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x45/Xzin-WoW/Ellay6box.jpg

He simply put his top monitors on boxes. They are recessed back a bit but hey - it works.

The last option is to install against a wall and mount a single horizontal shelf between the top and bottom rows. This will leave a small gap between the rows but is a solid, cheap and dirty solution to mounting your monitors on an ergotron array.

I DO NOT suggest a setup like these:

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x45/Xzin-WoW/madboxing-small.jpg

The monitors and keyboards are so spread out that watching them all is impossible. Reaction time will be seriously slow due to needing to physically move around to each machine. The only positive I see about this setup is the U shaped desk. Something I highly suggest.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x45/Xzin-WoW/Noc.jpg
Sorry Noc, but your setup right now does not have the ability to quickly see your secondary characters and you are unable to monitor their status with your peripheral vision.

http://www.teamwizzy.com/images/TW-DeskPic2.jpg
Jay - I have no idea how you managed to PvP with this setup. I sense this desk is a common theme for some of you guys but it is a horrible desk to multibox with! If you have to swivel in your seat to monitor another character, you will not be able to react fast enough in PvP.

Total Cost - $250
Running Total - $2850

Controls

Vetra Keyboard Multicaster

In my experience there are a few hardware choices you need to make to actually control your characters. To 5 box, you will need two Vetra keyboard broadcasters. These will allow you to take the output of a single machine and send it to multiple computers. Make sure you match this with a PS/2 keyboard. USB is too difficult to multicast and is not a good option here. This rules out the use of the Nostromo N52, Ergodex DX1, the Logitech G15 and other USB only keyboards. Each Vetra Keyboard Broadcaster (VIP-844-BC) costs $200. To control four total boxes, you need one. To control five, you will need two. They will make you a custom model if you ask and delivery is usually within two weeks but I do not have a quote. They are usually pretty reasonable though. You will also need the PS/2 cables. I highly suggest http://www.monoprice.com. Their cables are solid, CHEAP and just work. Make sure you pick up a single short male to male PS/2 cable to link the two Vetras together as well as the five male to male PS/2 cables to connect from the Vetra's outputs to the computers.

Something else worth mentioning. It IS possible to make a "jury rigged" version of the Vetras with wireless keyboards all set to receive on the same frequency. This could potentially save you up to $400 or so. Depending on the vicinity to the receivers, this should be a fairly reliable option - and far cheaper than the Vetras. Due to the nature of wireless though, you have batteries to replace and the potential for a single machine to miss a keystroke due to random RF noise, which could be a problem in some circumstances. The Vetras are rock solid - they are hardwired and never miss a keystroke. With wireless, you lose some flexibility though, as you really are not cascading so much as just broadcasting one to many - which makes it a little harder to KVM, but still possible with some Y-mice or USB to PS/2 converters. You do lose the option to use the Happy Hacking keyboards, as they are not available wirelessly - but that certainly does not mean that one could not hack together a wireless PS/2 version. I have not tested the latency of the wireless keyboards - obviously the RF waves travel at the speed of light but I do not know if they are faster or slower to decode than the Vetras and Y-mice in a cascaded configuration. (4 Vetras and 4 Y-Mice all cascaded serially impart roughly 50 ms of input delay).

There is now an 8 port Vetra available, which saves a slight amount of latency (in theory) and costs less than 2 units.

http://vetra.com/848text.html

http://vetra.com/844back.jpg

Total Cost - $400
Running Total - $3250

KEYBOARD
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INPUT - Vetra KM SWITCH (8 Port) VIP-708-KM
1 2 3 4 5 78 (Output Port 1-8)
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| | | | | | | |-----Port 8 (Unused)
| | | | | | |-----Port 7 (Unused)
| | | | | |----To PC X (Port 6)
| | | | |----To PC D (Port 5)
| | | |----To PC C (Port 4)
| | |----To PC B (Port 3)
| |-----To PC A (Port 2)
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Input---| Keyboard Multiplier (8 Port) 2 4 Ports Can Be Daisychained
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 (Output Port 1-8)
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A B C D X (Computer A-D,X (5x total Y-Mouse or USB to PS/2 input to add a second PS/2 port on CPU A-D,X)) Ports 7 and 8 Unused.

KVM Output 1 will send to all, Output 2 will send to only PC A, 3 to only B and 4 to only C, etc. Use Scrl Lock + 1-8 to nearly instantly select a PC. (I personally use an X-keys Stick for this). Multiple 8 Port VIP-708-KMs can be chained together. The 2 and 4 ports cannot. I believe the limit is 64 units, if you want to pay for that many.

You can use a single 2 port KVM if you wish, to save money. This will NOT let you select individual PCs but it will let you select to chat OR play all 5 at once. Simply setup your keybinds to make it so only your main can run with arrow keys, different classes respond to key presses differently, etc (or just have a common template and drag and drop different spells if you want to cast on all at the same time). 2 Port only is less flexible - 8 port obviously more so. You can skimp with USB keyboards - but you NEED *SOME* method of individual key input - software (synergy) or hardware (dedicated USB keyboard).

Keyboard / Mouse KVM

I highly suggest SOME form of a KVM (KM is a KVM without video switching and is thus MUCH faster - I do not suggest USB KVM switching), if only to switch from sending keystrokes to every machine to your main computer. Vetras are top notch, enterprise level units. The VIP-802-KM is what you need to send input to all or one machine. If you want to go further, and be able to send keystrokes to any single machine, you will need Y-Mice (or a USB to PS/2 adapter) for each machine to add a second PS/2 port. You only need the KM option, saving some money over a full KVM - which also sends video. You just need to send the keyboard data (and perhaps mouse). KVMs switch far too slow. You need a dedicated monitor for EACH box you wish to play.

http://vetra.com/802kmv_angle400_LORES.JPG
2 Port Vetra KM (KVM without Video)

Total Cost - $120 (2 port version)
Running Total - $3370

Y-Mouse

If you want to use a KVM, you will need a Y-Mouse. I assume you will only want one - to control your main box OR all 5. If you want to individually control them without buying a keyboard for each (or using Synergy) then you will need a Y-Mouse for each. The Y-Mouse gives you two PS/2 ports instead of one. They offer mice and keyboard versions and they can be cascaded to give you more ports if needed. They are simply plug and play - no drivers required. Vetra makes something similar but costs more - go with the Y-Mouse. They are sold by the same company that sells the X-Keys. Think of them as a little 1 port Vetra Keyboard Multicaster made by a different company.

Another option is to purchase USB to PS/2 adapters. They only run around $5 per port, vs around $50 for the Y-mouse. Being USB, they are harder to extend (requiring about $10 per 16 feet of active extenders, and can only be extended up to around 50 feet without converting to ethernet or fiber, which can be extended for hundreds of feet. Also, the connection is then no longer native PS/2 and is not something I have tested, but in theory should work. I opted to go native PS/2 the whole way, and just paid for the Y-mice, over priced as they are compared to cheap monoprice USB to PS/2 connectors.

http://xkeys.com/pigraphics/grymouse/ym04-200.jpg
http://xkeys.com/pigraphics/grymouse/typ04.gif

http://xkeys.com/ymouse/whym04.php

Total Cost - $60 (each)
Running Total - $3430

X-Keys

I HIGHLY suggest picking up at least an X-keys Desktop. That will give you 20 physical keys and a total of 40 virtual keys (with an ALT key modifier). More if you setup a second alt/control key and modify your WoW macros accordingly. Make sure to purchase a PS/2 version. All of the X-keys have keyboard pass throughs - so you just attach your regular keyboard to it and plug it into the computer - nothing else is required. You can cascade several of them together. I also highly suggest printing out the keycaps in the right size (.58" square - but you will need to slightly cut the two bottom corners) in color. That way you will have an on screen version of your input system and a simple glance will tell you what key you are pressing. WoW Icons are available from http://www.wowwiki.com/List_of_WoW_icons. You WILL need to resize them to .58" before you print them. The ghetto method of doing that is simply opening a Word document, dragging and dropping the icons (you can drag and drop all of them at once) then right clicking on each one and setting the size manually. Another (better) option is to do it the right way and use an automated Photoshop script to change the size and then place them with your favorite desktop program. Word will work though, but the quality will be lower. Good enough though if you lack the graphical talent to photoshop like a pro. For those who truly want the best setup they can get, go with an X-keys Professional. It costs $170 (vs $120) but it expands you from 20 to 58 physical keys. If you are running PvP or a complex PvE setup, you will definitely want a Pro. I suggest starting with the center 20 keys and expanding out from there. For non-combat uses, I personally use a Stick. They cost $100 but give you 16 keys to summon water, cast buffs, etc. They can also have a modifier key and I reserve two keys to switch between the KVM computers. (The Vetras switch with a special keyboard combination as well as with a physical button). Any of the X-Keys can be programmed to repeat when held down and of course they can store macros and not just a single keypress or combination of key presses. Whatever you wind up getting, make sure they are PS/2 and NOT USB.

http://xkeys.com/pigraphics/grxkeys/xd576.jpg
X-Keys Desktop

http://xkeys.com/pigraphics/grxkeys/xp576.jpg
X-Keys Professional

http://xkeys.com/pigraphics/grxkeys/moreFnStick.jpg
X-Keys Stick

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x45/Xzin-WoW/ZinsX-Keys.jpg
Some of My Custom Printed Key Caps

Programming the X-keys:
http://xkeys.com/techdocs/manuals/manxkps2.pdf

You can program the X-keys to repeat characters (spell casts, etc) - this greatly helps alleviate repetitive strain injury as you can just hold it down instead of mashing keys over and over. See the manual, linked above, for more details.

Layout:

This is a work in progress but here is a picture of my initial Xkeys Pro setup for my locks. I plan on filling in the blanks and refining as I go.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x45/Xzin-WoW/ZinsWarlockLayoutv1.jpg

Total Cost - $120 (Desktop - $170 - Professional - $100 Stick)
Running Total - $3550

Keyboard

My personal keyboard of choice is the Happy Hacking Lite II. It has a VERY small footprint and has the directional pads, unlike the Pro version. They run about $80 each and come in USB or PS/2. For my main input keyboard, I went with a PS/2 model and for the other 4, I went with USB. If you plug a USB and a PS/2 keyboard into a computer, windows will simply treat them as an either or setup. So if you type on one, it displays that text. If you type on the other, it displays the other. If you type both at the same time, it intertwines them. Perfect for multiboxing. Mouse control works in the same way.

A Gray Happy Hacking Shown Below Normal Keyboard

http://zaragon.comedialabs.com/images-matti/hhkb.jpg

Another option are these:

http://www.maplin.co.uk/images/50/a56fb_with-hand.jpg
http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=47313&criteria=keysonic&doy=13m6

Keysonic Micro Keyboards

About the same size and price as Happy Hackings. I have not evaluated them personally but they should work ok - IF you can find them in PS/2. Not sure you can.


Total Cost - $400
Running total cost - $3950

Mice (Wireless)

Mice input is tough. You will likely want to setup mouse input for all 4 "secondary" computers and one for your main. A wireless mouse is cheap. Get a RF mouse, not an IR. Go optical. I use logitechs but any brand should work as long as they are the same brand. Buy four. Set three of the mice aside and plug in all 4 receivers. USB mice work fine. To set them all to the same frequency, click the sync button on the mouse and then click the receivers. They should all sync right up. Every so often the mice will desync slightly (a few pixels at most). To "resync" run the WoWs fullscreen and just move the mice to any corner then to your destination. It makes turning in quests, etc MUCH easier.

A side note: when you setup the receivers, place them as close to the master mouse as possible. Do not obstruct them. Placing them too far away or putting things in between will desync them instantly. Put them as close together as possible and then close to your mouse and it will track it nearly perfectly.

Total Cost - $80
Running total cost - $4030

Mice (Wired)

You will want either a dedicated mouse per machine or use the KVM to send mice input to each individual machine. The KVM has a SMALL but noticeable latency - switching is NOT literally instant. I personally use dedicated mice but the KVM option would work if you purchase PS/2 mice and a 6 port KVM (technically you only need a 5 port KM but Vetra only sellf 6 port models). Obviously with USB mice this will not work. Go optical and wired (although wireless SHOULD work too). Mice input works the same way as keyboard input. You can have multiple ones connected without any problems. Don't forget a mouse for your main (fifth) box.

Total Cost - $50
Running total cost - $4080

WoW Game Copies

You need to buy four more copies of WoW. You can get a copy of WoW for $20 each but TBC is still $40 each at the time of this writing. Here's a tip. Either "invite a friend" for your main account or give a good friend 4 months of free game time. Make sure to do this BEFORE you activate your accounts.

http://www.gamingmoz.org/edimg/undeadphil/worldofwarcraft.jpg
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Total Cost - $200
Running total cost - $4280

Monthly WoW Subscription Cost

WoW has a monthly cost that is currently $14.95 per month. You will have to pay this five times. $74.75 per month - less if you prepay.

Electrical Costs

Your electrical costs will increase as each box takes up about 250 watts of power. (MicroATX power supplies usually run only 70 or 80% efficient). Assuming a kilowatt hour cost of 10 cents per kilowatt-hour, and you will be using around 1000 watts (1 kilowatt-hour) per hour, it will cost you ten cents per hour to run four more boxes. Running 24/7, this will mean an extra $75 per month.

Other Hardware

As far as I am concerned, this is all you need. As for the Nostromo N52s, Ergopads, etc - you don't need them. This setup allowed me to reach Rank 13 in the first PvP system and I consistently took top rankings in AV and the like. I could solo most any 5 man instance and even run 30 minute baron runs with a little practice - at level 60. I don't mean to sound egotistical but I have put a LOT of thought into my setup and have found what works best for me. Not to say you should not feel free to experiment (and possibly even supplant my methods) but I strongly suggest using this as a solid base with which to work. It's been tested and it just works.

Other Software

Key Clone

http://solidice.com/keyclone/header.jpg

The developer of Key Clone has made some incredible strides here towards bringing about a useful boxing tool for single computer (or even 5 physical computers) boxers.

http://solidice.com/keyclone/

Originally developed for Shadowbane, Key Clone lets you share keyboard commands across multiple WoW clients - "broadcasting" them.

From the author:


essentially, keyclone is a p2p, unicasting keyboard emulator.

keyclone links applications together...enabling you to hit 'F1' within one application, and having that key simultaneously sent to each of the other applications keyclone is managing. it will also send those same keys to any other keyclones you may have linked in, which in turn will distribute the keys to the applications they are managing.

He posts regularly to these boards and while the software isn't free, $50 for 5 boxes is considerably cheaper than any hardware options. If you are looking to save costs, consider using Key Clone.

Synergy

Synergy is a great tool to use to turn multiple machines into a "single" display. It just works (most of the time) and is open source, free and cross platform. To use it with WoW, you need to turn on relative mouse movement or you will spin like a top when you try and look with the mouse. Some people have adapted the code (isn't open source wonderful) to allow for broadcasting keystrokes. This eliminates the need for the 2 Vetras but you lose flexibility in your setup and if your server machine goes down or glitches - you are dead in the water.

http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/images/logo.gif
http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/

WoW Maximizer

Maximizer is a great open source utility that has fallen by the wayside since WoW introduced it natively. However, the WoW built in version is not as good as Maximizer. Maximizer allows you to run WoW full screen without the border. WoW now lets you do that by clicking the use fullscreen option. However, the WoW version does not allow you to set it to use a portion of the screen or a few other little tricks such as dictating what monitor to display on in a multiple monitor setup. Many people will have no use for this program but I find it useful still. I upgraded from 17" 1280 x 1024 monitors and I now run 30" 2560 x 1600 monitors and this allows me to run 2 copies of WoW on a single monitor, at 1280 x 1600, seamlessly, if I so choose. It even supports screen rotation with nVidia cards without any complaints.

http://wow-en.curse-gaming.com/downloads/details/146/

Multibox

Originally based on Synergy, but now completely rewritten and geared specifically towards gamers. It also supports mouse broadcasting, and hot keys to instantly jump to other screens, unlike Synergy.

From "shockbeta" - the current maintainer of Multibox -

"Micah started with a modified version of synergy to work better with games, but then he decided to write his own program as it was easier then modifying synergy. Thus Multibox arrived. I have not personally used Synergy so the differences I'm not sure on. I will say Multibox is made for gamers, and synergy seems to be more of a multi-computer use program not targeted towards gamers. With multibox you can bind keys to toggle mouse or/and keyboard broadcasting(Sending said input to all or some of the computers). I've added support to remove sending input to specific computers while broadcasting is on by checkboxes. Also added options to only broadcast specific keys to computers. Also added hot key switching. You're able to bind a key to hop to that display and control it, as opposed to mousing over to it. You're able to tick a checkbox to enable "Never Broadcast" so when broadcasting that display will never receive input."

Learn more about it by going here:
http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums2/viewtopic.php?t=402

Electrical Considerations

You will be adding about an extra kilowatt of power use to your already in use power lines. Most houses only dedicate a single breaker per room, and most all houses only have 15 amp lines. Some have older aluminum or worse wiring and may not even be rated for 15 amps. Each amp can carry 120 watts of power (but for practical purposes, it can only carry 80% of that continually). So rule of thumb is 100 watts per amp. If you are adding 1000 watts, you need 10 amps of power. If you are using more than 5 amps already (500 watts TOTAL) then you need to plug these into a separate breaker or you will trip the breaker once the lines heat up enough. Not a good thing to have happen without battery backup supplies or in the middle of a fight. A quick and dirty solution is to run an extension cord to another room that is on a separate breaker. The better (but more expensive) option is to run or hire an electrician to run) a dedicated 20 amp line to your computer space.

Cooling Considerations

Computers give off heat. A lot of heat. Consider that new 1000 watt 4 box array you just installed to be a 1000 watt heater. 1000 watts is a lot of power and in a small room without any air circulation, your room is going to get hot. Probably too hot for you to bear - over 100 degrees is not out of the question if you have other equipment running in the same room and it is a hot day out. Consider adding an air conditioner or setting up some ventilation system to counteract or remove the heat being produced.

Wiring

It is VERY important to label every wire. You will have A LOT of wires. No, really. I hate to do it but you have to. Otherwise you will have a nightmare on your hands when you move this, need to fix it or troubleshoot it. And eventually, you will have to. If you really want to be professional, use corrugated wire wraps to bundle sub sets of wires together - perhaps all wires going to a single box or all wires of one type.

Leveling

Powerleveling does not really work in WoW, so leveling up is tricky if you already have a level 60 or 70 and want to add more characters. Short of paying a farmer to level up new characters for you, the best way to level is to level them all at the same time. You can do so with questing alone, questing and instances or just instances. Questing is a good bet as the experience is great, the mobs are easy and you get faction. However, you will want to avoid every single collection quest as you will need to do them five times. Not fun. I personally suggest instance grinding. Elites give great experience and about the time you get tired of an instance, you level out of it. The only downside is the time wasted learning the instance and at the lower levels, learning just how to multibox.


UI Mods

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x45/Xzin-WoW/XzinsWoW2.jpg
In Combat

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x45/Xzin-WoW/XzinsUINonCombat.jpg
Out of Combat

Button Mods

There are button mods out there that allow you to physically represent the buttons you have on your X-keys on your UI. There are even some out there that will change the buttons when you hold down your alt modifier key. I use and highly suggest Bongos2 and SuperMacro for extra buttons and macros - which you WILL need with an X-keys Pro.

Anchor Mods

You will likely want to set it so that you cannot move the windows on your "secondary" machines. If you move one, they get desynched and clicking on them with your wireless mouse will not activate all of them.

Macros

Quest Accepting

There are quest accepting macros out there. They work pretty well for accepting quests on the "secondary" characters. Right click, hit the quest accept macro and you are done. Sharing quests is another way to do this but not every quest can be shared.

What Do I Do When My Main Dies?

You need to setup your macros to allow for transitioning to another "main". This will mean physically moving to another mouse and changing your /assists or /focus to another character. This is doable with custom LUA scripts or simply a dedicated keyboard (or X-Key). I will leave that up to you - usually when my priest dies, I am out of mana and going down anyway. Often times it is faster to do this in battlegrounds as you rez with nearly full mana and health - but there are times when you will need to continue fighting and not just stand there. It took me quite a while to figure this one out - and I will leave this to you. I highly suggest looking at the /focus features implemented in WoW 2.0.

Advanced Vetra Cascading

99.99999% of you will never care about this. But, when you cascade multiple Vetras together, you begin to impart latency into the mix. The net effect never gets THAT bad but when you are PvPing, every bit makes a difference. As a test, I hooked up 4 Vetras together, in series. Meaning the output of one fed into the first port of the other and cascaded down the line. Five Vetras refused to work. I suspect if I were to add 5v to the line then it would function but I did not test that. 4 Vetras works perfectly but due to the rather low frequency of the PS/2 protocol, each unit adds a small amount of latency to the mix. The Vetras buffer the data for a small period of time and in the end it adds up - but not by much. I tested 4 units and 4 Y-mice all attached in series and came up with a rough estimate of about 100ms of added latency. This is of course on top of any ping latency you have. So you may wind up doubling or tripling your latency if you cascade that many Vetras together. Not that I suspect many of you ever would - you only need 2 Vetras to power 5 boxes and even adding as much as 100 ms will not be something game breaking. 2 Vetras imparts about a 50 ms or less latency. Probably not enough to ever be noticeable but worth mentioning. A solution to this "problem" is to cascade the Vetras in a different manner. Instead of the output of one going to the input of the next, set the first level to output all 4 to the inputs of the next 4. This will support a maximum of 16 downstream connections and only impart a total of two levels of depth for all of the Vetras. This will ONLY be needed if you are cascading to more than 7 boxes at once - something I suspect VERY few people will ever be interested in doing.

I did further testing (eliminating human reaction time) and was better able to narrow down the exact latency. Cascading through 4 Vetras, 4 Y-Mice and about 30 feet of PS/2 cable added only about 40 - 50 ms (on average) of latency. In practice, this is something you will never ever really notice. 100+ ms starts to get noticeable but for all practical purposes, 50 ms is something you can live with. Of course, this is worst case situation too - most likely you will NOT be cascading 4 vetras and 4 Y-mice.

Of note, X-keys cascading has been tested and found with a Happy Hacking Lite II that 5 X-keys, 2 Y-keys and 4 Vetras can be cascaded. 5 Vetras is too much though :) I might be able to overcome that though but for now that works fine.

Programming X-keys

Use a "regular" (non Happy Hacking) PS/2 keyboard, F1-F12, Numpad keys and shift, control, alt. If you need more and don't want to use alpha characters, buy a foreign KB or a programmable PS/2 keyboard to program special characters - ½¿³óíþ - stuff you would never type with to avoid any accidental casts. Avoid the really obscure codes - ???? - or WoW might not see them. X-keys also sells a device to program / copy a PS/2 X-keys for $100 although I am not sure this will actually work for Boxing purposes. Tip: KB scan codes num + 0161 to 0255 are the best. 94 keys, plus F1-F12 and num pad is 121 keys that do not even appear on the Happy Hackings and thus are impossible to accidentally activate. See the Windows XP Character Map for these. I thought that it be possible to use a PS/2 laser barcode scanner but almost ALL barcodes are 0-9 and aA-zZ (to avoid errors). So no luck there. There ARE some unique barcodes that can encode extended sets of information but I think the best bet here is a programmable PS/2 or foreign keyboard. Note: I have NOT personally tested this extended X-Keys programming. I have intentions to do so when a need arises for extra keys but you can now use different left or right control, alt and shift modifiers - so you should have plenty of keys to use now. Until then, please regard it as untested. I also have no idea how to make this work with the USB version - I only have PS/2 X-Keys.

Other Resources:

Dual Boxing Forums: http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums2/
WoW Insider Interview: http://www.wowinsider.com/2006/12/15/interview-with-xzin-the-man-with-ten-arms/
Sirlin Game Design Theory: http://www.sirlin.net/archive/the-man-who-would-solo-a-40-man-raid/
GM Conversations: http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=setandget&tp=454222&poll_id=0&category_id=19&warned=y

Quickly Thrown Together Videos: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3697765098130473147
Quickly Thrown Together Videos: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3471302298396612214[/img]

4+ Multiboxing Blogs
Æbox - 5 Shamans - http://home.comcast.net/~xbx/xbox.htm
Captns Log - WoW http://captn-log.blogspot.com/
Saber Squadron - http://sabersquadron.blogspot.com/
Twenty Totems - http://www.twentytotems.com
Q Cyber Shop - WoW http://qcybershop.blogspot.com/
Micah - http://5boxwow.blogspot.com/
Team Wizzy - DAoC http://www.teamwizzy.com

Gallo
05-28-2007, 07:17 AM
Great write-up! But no insight into your secret custom LUA to switch mains? Man! :)

If no one else does it, I'm going to put that on wowwiki.com tonight after I get home from work. I'll obviously cite you as the author.

Ellay
05-28-2007, 09:13 AM
Sticky! nice write up

Xzin: Can't edit the above message right now but wanted to add:

Note: As of early 2008, the PS/2 version of the Happy Hacking Lite keyboards are being phased out and thus are becoming increasingly difficult to find.

hapiguy314
06-08-2007, 02:59 PM
Quick question:

If you use a Vetra Keyboard Broadcaster (VIP-844-BC), how are you able to log in if your keyboard PS2 slot is occupied by the M-M cable connected to the Vetra?

Are you allowed to use a USB keyboard on the other 4 individual machines to enter the log in information (requiring you to buy USB keyboards) and modifify individual macros on other boxes? I just ordered me one of these today and this was one of my concerns.

Thanks in advanced.

Xzin
06-08-2007, 03:18 PM
I use a USB keyboard connected to each machine to enter login information or do individual work on each machine. Synergy works too as does a hardware KVM connected to each machine. You would also need a Y-Keys attached as well, to split the keyboard input. That or a USB to PS/2 connector - since it does not have to go in the same port. The USB to PS/2 connector would be cheaper - you would still need a KVM to do it that way. The cheapest and quickest is just to buy a single USB kb for each machine. The computers will respond to any input - PS/2, USB, what have you. So you just plug two kbs in and go. It accepts input from either or both.

hapiguy314
06-08-2007, 04:21 PM
Thanks very much Xzin.

Morlife
06-12-2007, 03:36 PM
Xzin - I read about you in a gaming magazine!
The next day I poked around trying to find info on keyboard multiplexers but came up empty.
Today ( a few months after reading about you) I came upon this site.
And, wow! here you are.. Awsome.

This is great. Thank you for sharing this information.
Can't wait to get started setting this up.

As a side note: What 10 classes are you playing 9 Mages / 1 Priest ?

Again, thanks.

Xzin
06-12-2007, 04:15 PM
Was it computer games monthly? Been trying to track down the article.

Glad my information is helpful :)

I can't wait to get my setup finished - it is almost 4 months in the making and nearing completion. All of the computers are setup save for the last one and some final work on other general stuff to get it all going.

I plan on playing 2 priests, 4 mages, 4 locks. Not sure if I want to go 8 mages 2 priests - insane firepower (and the AoEs....) I would cut through AV like butter......but I think the utility of the locks is going to prove extremely helpful, if not for the pseudo tanks and soulstones alone. Plus, locks have similar range as the mages and their dots are much harder to dispel in WoW 2.0.

hapiguy314
06-12-2007, 05:54 PM
Hi Xzin,

The monitors, mount, VIP-844-BC, and cables all arived and will be setting it up tonight. However, I was wondering if you can elaborate on the use of the VIP-802-KM.

First, is it possible to actually just use the VIP-804-KM to have all 4 computers connected to it rather than buying 2 separate VIP-802-KM.

Second, I'm wondering how to set up this switch. With the VIP-844-BC, the PS2 of each PC are connected to the device and then the device connected to 1 set of PS2 Keyboard. However, if I were to use the VIP-804-KM to be able to send keyboard/mouse input to a specific monitor, where does it go?

Attach a Y-Mouse splitter to each PC and have one cable connect to the VIP-844-BC and another Cable connected to the VIP-804-KM (but then where is the Keyboard going to be connected to)?

Next, even if I am able to switch between PCs using the VIP-804-KM switch, wouldn't being connected to the VIP-844-BC still send signals to the rest of the PC? For example, I only have Instant Messaging on one PC and the other 3 are dedicated work/gaming machines. So I'd like to be able to switch (to use my main keyboard/mouse) to the Instant Messaging PC and then switch back to the main PC when I'm done.

Could you please write a small instruction how to use both the VIP-844-BC and VIP-804 KM indicating which wires go where and where the Y-Mouse is used.

Thank you very much in advanced.

Xzin
06-12-2007, 06:41 PM
This wound up being quite more verbose than I originally intended but here goes:

If I read what you posted correctly, you want to use the 804-BC to multicast and the 4 port KVM to select individual computers?

Two 802-KMs act the same (sorta) as a single 804-KM. Actually worse, because it does not let you switch 1-4 but instead makes you do 1 or 2 or 1 or 2. In sync, not at the same time and you cannot change which keys change modes on the 802-KMs. So it is a good thing that you went with the 4 port model over two two ports. Otherwise, not sure how you would switch to each individual machine.... as the 802-KMs are either/or. The 808-KMs can be cascaded, such that each one "knows" that you are switching to bank 1, port 3. Not port 3 on all units. You can individually (hot key) switch to up to I think 64 machines with 8 8 port models. 2 and 4 ports do not offer this.

Hope that makes sense.

How many computers do you need to control? 4? You will not be able to control all 4 individually AND multicast to them with a 4 port switch. You will need 5 ports to do that. Or be able to send to 3 boxes AND muticast to all but not both. To do that you need an 8 port KVM (some other companies offer 6 port models but I love the Vetras personally).

Ok - so.... If you want to send keyboards to a specific computer, you need to use either a Y-keys OR a usb to ps/2 port (the usb to ps/2s only run about $5 each - y-keys are around $50.) See my multibox Wiki for links.

So your options are as follows:

4 computers. 4 Port KVM. 1 844-BC Multicaster.
Hook the input of the 844-BC to the output of the 4 port KVM in port 1.
Hook the outputs of the 844-BC to each of the 4 computers. Either use y-mice or cheapo usb to ps/2 connectors (check monoprice.com). Either option will work since you just need to get data TO the machine - you don't care about more complex uses, which would require the y-keys.

Main KB goes into the input of the KVM. Port 1 is multicast to all. This goes to either the PS/2 port on all 4 computers OR into a usb to ps/2 connector. Then port 2, 3, 4 of the KVM go into computers 2,3,4. So, by switching to port 1 (by pressing, I think, scroll lock 1) - the KVM will send output to all computers. You can setup an x-keys and program that keypress into it to save time. Press option 2 and input from your single keyboard goes to your 2nd computer. 3rd, 4th and so on same deal.

Make sure you have the proper cables - the Vetra has female ports and computers have female ports, so pick up male to male ps/2 cables to connect them.

Does that help any? I am not completely clear on what you are trying to do but I think I understand you. If you want to move to 5 computers, you will need an extra 844-BC and cables. Let me know if I can help any further.

Note on USB to PS/2 vs Y-Keys: I have never used PS/2 to USB converters Multiple PS/2 connections will simply take data from multiple sources and AND them - that is to say if you press 1 on two keyboards (or connected a single multicaster to output to both PS/2 ports (one on the motherboard, one new one through USB) then the computer would see that you pressed 11 - not 1 as you actually pressed. In theory, this means that adding USB to PS/2 is the same as using Y-mice. Certainly cheaper. In my opinion it is not the best option but given the ultra low bandwidth of PS/2 and USB's capacity to accept up to 127 devices, I doubt it really matters. If you need to send data down the same pipe though, the Y-keys are a better option. For me, I send data to one of three banks of vetra multicasters - bank 1 for the warlocks - bank 2 for the zins and bank 3 for all three. I use a Y-keys on each box to split the multicast and kvm'ed signals but in theory, I could simply have multiple PS/2 inputs per computer, saving perhaps $400 or so for 10 Y-keys. I just find it better and more elegant to go through a SINGLE PS/2 port - it was designed to accept data in native PS/2 format and is easier to extend and just works. USB to PS/2 adds an extra layer of complexity (not that any of this is "simple" anyway) but seems to be a less ideal method all else considered.

Vetra Addendum:

All VIP-804 "MegaSwitch" KVM Switch models can select the active PC via a keyboard "hot-key" sequence ( [scroll lock] + [1] for PC1, or [scroll lock] + [3] for PC3, etc ) or by a push button(s) located on the front panel of the KVM Switch.

Both VIP-708 "MegaSwitch" 8 port KVM Switch models can select the active PC via a keyboard "hot-key" sequence ( [scroll lock] + [1] for PC1, or [scroll lock] + [7] for PC7, etc ) or by a push button (NEXT PC) located on the front panel of the KVM Switch. The "NEXT PC" push button provides manual sequential switching through all powered PC channels for that switch (if in expanded configuration). Each time the "NEXT PC" button is depressed it switches to the next highest powered PC channel on the switch. Example: (with all 8 connected PCs powered) PC1 to PC2, PC2 to PC3....PC7 to PC8, then PC8 back to PC1.

Each VIP-708 (NOT THE 2 or 4 Port Models) MegaSwitch can control up to eight PCs, and a maximum of eight units can be cascaded together to access a total of 64 PCs. Expansion is accomplished by assigning a unique sequential "bank" number to each MegaSwitch in the chain via the bank select switch located on the front panel of the KVM switch. A "bank" consists of a MegaSwitch and its connected PCs. Connections between banks are made using inexpensive "off the shelf" RJ45 and video cables connected to the rear of the units.

Morlife
06-13-2007, 10:15 AM
XZin, I tend to read and toss zines.
I think it was Massive issue 2, either that or there was another MMO only zine out at the same time, can't recall the name.

The article did have a screen shot of your characters.
I'll check to see if I still have it when I get home from work.

hapiguy314
06-13-2007, 03:31 PM
Hi Xzin,

I think I understand your instructions and just want to verify with this ghetto display:


KEYBOARD


KVM SWITCH
1 2 3 4


Keybaord Multiplier
1 2 3 4


A B C D

In essence, I'll connect the main keyboard with the KM Switch Input. The first port (1) is then connected to the Keyboard Multiplier Input. Next, the Keyboard Multiplier is connected to the four computers, A, B, C, and D. Finally, ports 2, 3, and 4 of the KVM Switch will be connected to computers B, C, and D as well (using either a Y-Mouse or USB-to-PS/2 adapter).

I'd just like to confirm before I spend another $150 on the device :)

Xzin
06-13-2007, 03:52 PM
That sounds reasonable to me.

Ghetto Ascii art follows:

KEYBOARD
|
|
|
INPUT -KVM SWITCH
1 2 3 4 (Output Port 1-4)
| | | |
| | | |-----To PC D
| | |----To PC C
| |-----To PC B
|
Input---| Keyboard Multiplier
1 2 3 4 (Output Port 1-4)
| | | |
| | | |
A B C D (Computer A-D (Y-Mouse or USB to PS/2 input on CPU B-D))

KVM Output 1 will send to all, Output 2 will send to only PC B, 3 to only C and 4 to only D.

hapiguy314
06-13-2007, 04:58 PM
Thanks Xzin :)

Placing my order now :)

Xzin
06-13-2007, 05:18 PM
No problem, glad I could help.

Keep in mind that if you ever want to expand - you will need to buy another multicaster, a larger KVM (if you want to KVM more machines) and more Y-keys.

You will NOT be able to buy another 4 port KVM (at least from Vetra) as there is no way to switch from 1-4 and 5-8 (1-4 is hot keyed for the same keys). The 8 port model does not have this limitation (but also carries a $350+ price tag).

Ahh, the joys of enterprise level hardware.

hapiguy314
06-14-2007, 11:35 AM
Oh yeah - I forgot to update. I paid for the 8 port instead so I can control the main computer individually as well :)


On a side note:

I'm wondering though if I should upgrade my oldest box as it was my system from 5 years ago hehe. It runs WOW ok, but have to have all settings set at its lowest and is still using Win2k. But I think for now, I should lick my wounds after spending nearly $2k on monitors and devices :P

Xzin
06-14-2007, 02:37 PM
Whenever you load an instance, you have to wait for the slowest box to load. If you are ok with that and it runs WoW well enough, then leave it be.

You can take this as far as you want to go but at some point you get where the marginal cost becomes overwhelmingly high.

Get the basics, play with it and if it is what you want then you can always upgrade later, especially given you have a hodgepodge of systems as it is.

hapiguy314
06-18-2007, 12:25 PM
Hey Xzin,

Have you tried attaching a Y-Mouse to your Vetra broadcaster to have both the mouse and the Nostromo N52 (using a USB-PS/2 adaptor)? Does this set up work?

Thanks.

PS

I know the Y-Mouse costs like $50 - but will this splitter do? Only costs $2.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10404&cs_id=1040402&p_id=119&style=&seq=1&format=1#largeimage

Xzin
06-21-2007, 12:30 AM
No, that will not work. At least, I would be VERY surprised if it did. The USB to PS/2 requires host drivers. They should be built into XP but its not really an analog adapter and cannot be used in that way.

All it is good for is to add another port to a computer.

USB is very difficult to multicast - I do not know of any products on the market that can do it. Surely, it is possible though.

hapiguy314
06-21-2007, 06:25 PM
No, that will not work. At least, I would be VERY surprised if it did. The USB to PS/2 requires host drivers. They should be built into XP but its not really an analog adapter and cannot be used in that way.

All it is good for is to add another port to a computer.

USB is very difficult to multicast - I do not know of any products on the market that can do it. Surely, it is possible though.

Hehe - Is this a response to the Nostromo working with the Vetra or the PS (regarding the Splitter)? :P I'm guessing it's the former...But in regards to the latter, do you think it'll work?

Xzin
06-21-2007, 08:18 PM
If you can find a way to split USB (not a trivial task) then you could use a N52 on multiple units. Practically speaking, no.

An easier way would be to go with a pair of wireless receivers and a wireless keyboard. They make some small keypad sized units that I have detailed on the hardware forum.

Bradster
07-05-2007, 04:16 AM
I’m getting ready to do a 5box setup under Xzin supervision to ensure a smooth roll out. I will share my Budget version when finish in the next two (max 3) weeks. Looks like it will be under 3k, not as fancy and well done, however the machines themselves are cheap and beefed up enough to handle War hammer in case the future lands me there. So you could even go cheaper then that on PC hardware but you would be limited to wow and older mmos only (excluding Vanguard, EQ2 as requirements are high).

Xzin
07-05-2007, 04:22 AM
Just a general heads up: If you are thinking about boxing 5 or more, roll on Magtheridon. There are about 5 of us so far! At least 30 accounts between us :)

Bradster
07-05-2007, 05:03 AM
Just a general heads up: If you are thinking about boxing 5 or more, roll on Magtheridon. There are about 5 of us so far! At least 30 accounts between us :)

Indeed, what town would you like to raid today? When we hit 70 Iron Forge is in trouble. If we don't lag the server into melt down first.

Tealuin
07-08-2007, 12:00 PM
Xzin:

Where you at with your 10-box setup?

You planning on doing Kara solo?

Xzin
07-08-2007, 01:24 PM
About 99% complete. Computers, UIs, remote on/off switches, cooling upgrades, electrical upgrades, custom chair, custom desk, custom monitor array, custom monitor switching system and a whole lot more is done. Just a few final tweaks remain. I don't want to rush it, $150 a month is wasteful if I don't actually play. Right now, Zins are 60, locks are 21.

Ordered a second 8 port KVM for individual control (more reliable than synergy and I disliked 10 kbs and 10 mice on my desk). I will not need them in combat so the very small delay is fine.

So, now from 1 kb, I can control:

Mage 1
Mage 2
Mage 3
Mage 4
Priest 1
Lock 1
Lock 2
Lock 3
Lock 4
Priest 2
Mages+Priest
Locks+Priest
Mages+Locks+Priest

with the mouse or keyboard.

This took 7x Vetras Multicasters, 12x Y-keys, 2x Vetra 8 Port KMs, 2x X-keys Pro, 2x X-keys sticks, 1x X-keys Desktop, Foot pedals, and A LOT of wires :) But damn if my controls aren't as granular as possible.

Razlo
07-08-2007, 11:29 PM
I dident completely read everything, well i dident read much any of it, but i have a quick question...

insted of running 5 computers or 5 monitors of wow

couldent you just run 5 applications of wow at the same time, and do what you did? (5 screens just smaller to fit the screen all on the same monitor)

Nyalria
07-09-2007, 01:17 AM
g0t life?

Don't be a dick. It's unnecessary.


I dident completely read everything, well i dident read much any of it, but i have a quick question...

insted of running 5 computers or 5 monitors of wow

couldent you just run 5 applications of wow at the same time, and do what you did? (5 screens just smaller to fit the screen all on the same monitor)

No. I don't even know how well any computer would handle that, and certainly not at the level that Xzin is looking for to compete in PVP. His hardware solutions are far more versatile than what can be accomplished on one computer with software. Read what he took the time to post and you'll understand this.

Tealuin
07-09-2007, 09:00 AM
Foot pedals



Whoa, foot pedals, what function(s) you assigning to those?

I definitely want to see some screenies when you've got the new system working to your satisfaction. :D

Xzin
07-09-2007, 01:13 PM
Switching to the locks or locks and mages (for x healing).

rieperx
07-10-2007, 12:52 AM
Xzin ran out of fingers for controls had to resort to the toes!

keyclone
07-12-2007, 05:47 PM
try keyclone... at $10 per machine it'd be cheaper then all that hardware
(I can run 5 wow clients on a single box.. 800x600 res)

http://solidice.com/keyclone

kyo
07-12-2007, 06:03 PM
try keyclone... at $10 per machine it'd be cheaper then all that hardware
(I can run 5 wow clients on a single box.. 800x600 res)

http://solidice.com/keyclone

please ban him
advertising = gay...
and
it's not THAT good, i can probebly crack it if i try it, but why should I?
you got a few open source apps that do this... just take source, other name... and there you go "keyclone"

keyclone
07-12-2007, 06:15 PM
don't like me offering a real solution, so your response is 'ban him'... brilliant.

kyo
07-12-2007, 06:21 PM
don't like me offering a real solution, so your response is 'ban him'... brilliant.
real solutions are there... it's easy
what you do is copy work, put a name on it come to a forum, advertise it and try to earn money..
so yes
ban

keyclone
07-12-2007, 06:25 PM
"copy work" wtf is that?

i wrote the program myself, in C++ using UDP for intermachine coorindation. and at $10, it's a hellavu lot cheaper then the hardware solutions. but i guess you have plenty of cash to throw around for multi monitors, keyboard splitters, and extra computers.

and if a developer gets 'banned' at the suggestion from a wannabe on a dual boxing site, that'd really be impressive.

(and is it advertising? yes... just as much as everyone else showing their 'rigs')

kyo
07-12-2007, 06:29 PM
i'll stop the "spam" about this in this topic ...
just got 1 thing to say.
i hope you put some encryption on that serial code

keyclone
07-12-2007, 06:34 PM
$10 and the guy wants to hack it... amazing.

if the time you spend 'cracking' it isn't worth $10, well... i feel sorry for you.

i bet you would also try to steal keyboard splitters and monitors.. given half a chance.

kyo
07-12-2007, 06:39 PM
$10 and the guy wants to hack it... amazing.
if the time you spend 'cracking' it isn't worth $10, well... i feel sorry for you.
i bet you would also try to steal keyboard splitters and monitors.. given half a chance.
getting the program = $10
waisting 2 hours = $50-100
getting his software cracked, raping him for asking money for crap like this= priceless

last post.. i'm going to bed.. night night

Runiat
07-18-2007, 07:03 PM
"copy work" wtf is that?

i wrote the program myself, in C++ using UDP for intermachine coorindation. and at $10, it's a hellavu lot cheaper then the hardware solutions. but i guess you have plenty of cash to throw around for multi monitors, keyboard splitters, and extra computers.

and if a developer gets 'banned' at the suggestion from a wannabe on a dual boxing site, that'd really be impressive.

(and is it advertising? yes... just as much as everyone else showing their 'rigs')
Using hardware = 1 time payment of a few hundred bucks (I think, haven't got the price here)

Using keyclone = $10 to get it from you, and then at any given time Blizzard decides to ban it and $500000 lost (including boxes, subscribtion, and lost time).

Using any open-source application = A slightly smaller chance of loosing the half a million $, seeing as it's open-source and Blizzard can thus check if it should be banned.

keyclone
07-19-2007, 09:17 AM
if your time is worth $500,000 for the 6 months of game play... then $10 should be no big problem for you. of course, you are here begging for it to be free... so what does that say?

if my software solution saved anyone the expense of a single computer, the i've saved them thousands.

considering the time it would take you to drive to all the different stores to pick up the equipment, or find it on the net and have it shipped, then install it.. and then noodle with it until you get it working... total time spent, probably around 8-16+ hours or more depending on shipping. compare that to the <2 minutes with keyclone (assuming you have a credit card or paypal account)

on second thought, maybe i've made it too cheap

Runiat
07-20-2007, 02:08 AM
if your time is worth $500,000 for the 6 months of game play... then $10 should be no big problem for you. of course, you are here begging for it to be free... so what does that say?
Erh.. no I'm not.

As for the ½ million.. what can I say, I'm in the upper class of a country with significantly higher prices than the US - my sister and mother tend to take weekends in New York simply because the money saved on shopping pays both planetickets and hotel stay.
Really it's below the average of the area, seeing as I got a billionaire living around the corner. Helps pull it up a bit.

Admittedly setting it up does seem quite a bit easier than AHK, and adding Synergy and Broadcasting to that..
Well, I don't have any need for it as I haven't got a 3rd account, but if I find a good game in open beta I'll try it out.. should b possible to configure G15 to work with it with a few funny keybindings.

djbuzz
07-27-2007, 07:44 PM
so let me see if I understand this.

With this system I would have 1 mouse and keyboard controlling all my computers and if I click on something with one character that would happen for all characters? So basically say I press 1 which on my hunter is "Hunters Mark" if on my warior its charge then the warior would charge?

All characters also would move forward at the same time, etc, etc. ?

thanks.

keyclone
07-27-2007, 07:52 PM
basically, yes. (you can see what happens in the video in my sig... i just clicked on the target with my main, hit the '/assist <leader>' key... which was broadcast to all clones... and they all selected the same target... then i hit '3'.. which broadcasts.. and is tied to 'fireball'.. which they all cast

if they were warriors and '3' was charge, they'd all run in and hit the target.

note: there is a bug with the mouse cloning (it's new).. don't bother using it yet. when the bugs are out, it would behave as you describe

also, i personally run synergy on all machines so i can mouse over and sign in the accounts. this allows me to avoid all the keyboards and mice. (synergy allows a virtual keyboard/mouse combo)

i also start up my keyclones on each machine, then add the clones... tie the keyclones together... and away i go ;)

brick
08-08-2007, 01:43 AM
Reasons Keyclone is worth 10$

1. 10$ is nothing, you could work at Mcdonalds and earn keyclone in less than 2 hours.

2. For someone like me those 2 hours are less then the amount of time it would take to figure out autohotkey.

3. It's a great program, works flawlessly and can be setup in under 5mins.

4. Free updates.

5. Keyclone very likely spent a lot of time programming it, Why is it wrong that he charges 10$ for it, I would gladly pay 20.

Just get over it, all you cheap bastards that are flaming him for letting someone know about his inexpensive solution to a problem they where likely going to spend a ton on need to go get a job.

Shogun
08-08-2007, 04:36 AM
Reasons Keyclone is worth 10$

1. 10$ is nothing, you could work at Mcdonalds and earn keyclone in less than 2 hours.

2. For someone like me those 2 hours are less then the amount of time it would take to figure out autohotkey.

3. It's a great program, works flawlessly and can be setup in under 5mins.

4. Free updates.

5. Keyclone very likely spent a lot of time programming it, Why is it wrong that he charges 10$ for it, I would gladly pay 20.

Just get over it, all you cheap bastards that are flaming him for letting someone know about his inexpensive solution to a problem they where likely going to spend a ton on need to go get a job.

Same reasons I happily bought 3 copies. If you're that broke you could wash some neighbours cars to pay for it ;)

Xzin
08-08-2007, 05:02 AM
If you ar ethat broke..... you probably should not be boxing....

Shogun
08-08-2007, 05:11 AM
If you ar ethat broke..... you probably should not be boxing....

True :)

Fog
08-12-2007, 04:29 AM
Would a 4port kvm and a 2port kvm work for 5-boxing? And would two different brands have any meaning?

keyclone
08-12-2007, 04:39 AM
problem with kvm's is that they do not broadcast keys to all connected machines, they route keys to the currently selected one.

not that great for multi-boxing... but i could be wrong.

a keyboard splitter and mouse splitter might work, if you want to go the hardware route.

also consider looking into synergy, it might help

(whoa...being so restrained...)

Xzin
08-12-2007, 04:45 AM
Who is to say that port 1 could not be a broadcast to all keys though? That is what I do.

keyclone
08-12-2007, 04:47 AM
you use a kvm?

Fog
08-12-2007, 04:47 AM
Nevermind my previous question, found a fairly cheap one. Wonder if it's as crap as it is cheap, though. What should I look for to determine that? I'd link the page, but it's in danish :P

Tealuin
08-14-2007, 04:03 AM
KEYBOARD
|
|
|
INPUT - Vetra KM SWITCH (8 Port) VIP-708-KM
1 2 3 4 5 78 (Output Port 1-8)
| | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | |-----Port 8 (Unused)
| | | | | | |-----Port 7 (Unused)
| | | | | |----To PC X (Port 6)
| | | | |----To PC D (Port 5)
| | | |----To PC C (Port 4)
| | |----To PC B (Port 3)
| |-----To PC A (Port 2)
|
Input---| Keyboard Multiplier (8 Port) 2 4 Ports Can Be Daisychained
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 (Output Port 1-8)
| | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | |
A B C D X (Computer A-D,X (5x total Y-Mouse or USB to PS/2 input to add a second PS/2 port on CPU A-D,X)) Ports 7 and 8 Unused.

KVM Output 1 will send to all, Output 2 will send to only PC A, 3 to only B and 4 to only C, etc. Use Scrl Lock + 1-8 to nearly instantly select a PC. (I personally use an X-keys Stick for this). Multiple 8 Port VIP-708-KMs can be chained together. The 2 and 4 ports cannot. I believe the limit is 64 units, if you want to pay for that many.



Planning was going good (comps, monitors, monitor stands ordered), but now I'm stuck on working out what control hardware I need to buy.

I quoted the diagram and the paragraph that seems to relate to it, but the rest of the text in that section of the Wiki is based upon a main or all 5 concept, right?

Am I interpreting the diagram correctly, that it's a setup for individual control of 5 PCs and broadcasting to all 5? I think it's indicating that port 1 of the KM/KVM goes to the input of the Multiplier and the next 5 ports go directly to the PCs. And then ports 1 to 5 of the Multiplier also go the PCs thus requiring 5 Y-mouse to connect both the KM and Multiplier to each PC.


Edit: Argh, turned emoticons off so as not to butcher Xzin's quote

Tealuin
08-23-2007, 08:39 AM
Any ideas on quality cable tagging/labeling solutions?

Xzin
08-23-2007, 09:46 AM
I used a sharpie.

Tealuin
08-24-2007, 06:41 AM
lol ... didn't quite expect that answer, Xzin. :)

Xzin
08-24-2007, 08:49 AM
Sometimes when you need to drive a nail, a hammer works just fine :)

muffe
08-26-2007, 08:18 PM
buy 4 identical wireless keyboards
(cheap and easy)

Slats
08-26-2007, 09:00 PM
A sharpie hahaha, i was also expecting some elaborate system =)

Xzin
08-26-2007, 11:14 PM
One could buy sheets of thinnish hard plastic, cut them to size and punch a hole in them then ziptie them on, THEN use a sharpie :)

Keiji505
08-26-2007, 11:24 PM
I bought Belkin brand velcro...my cables are rainbow patterened cause the strips all come in different colors :(. Not cool.

Xzin
08-26-2007, 11:26 PM
I would have needed more colors. I did bundle with black velcro and corrugated tubing though.

Piggy
08-30-2007, 02:16 PM
Could you help me with AutoHot Keys as i am really having some problems - runnin 2 wow, 2 monitors on 1 PC.
Just need some1 2 post a step by step noob guide 4 me or something along them lines :o
Cos i run it Autohoykey, then all of suddent he guide is on about scripts an stuff

keyclone
09-01-2007, 06:18 PM
hi piggy,

sorry about the slow response.

unit187 put an extensive guide for AHK together here:
http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums2/viewtopic.php?t=807

if you are unsure of scripting and would rather just get up and running, there is keyclone here:
http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums2/viewtopic.php?t=883

keyclone is easier to set up and has a few tricks AHK doesn't have. on the other hand, keyclone has a one-time $10 price tag (all updates free).

i might be biased as i wrote it.. and continue to update it. my goal has been to get people up and multi-boxing in minimal time... reducing the hardware cost along the way. you should be able to find plenty of references to keyclone using 'search' here.

if you have any questions, just spend me a PM.

atgben
10-09-2007, 01:03 AM
Does keyclone work with EQ2?

keyclone
10-09-2007, 01:49 AM
i have never used EQ2 but... i understand that keyclone does not work immediately with EQ2... i have been told that InnerSpace by LavishSoft is required.

again, this is what i have been told... i have not verified it (if anyone has verified this approach... please post your results)

as an FYI... InnerSpace is one of those applications that would most likely get you busted (whatever that means for the game you are playing)... i believe its due to the stealth keyboard injection they make possible... and the macroing/botting that results. any such behavior just gets us multi-boxers in trouble... so its best to stay away

just giving you a heads up

atgben
10-09-2007, 02:44 AM
Heh heh, wow! Quick responce..

I got keyclone for when I was dual boxing in wow where it was great, but recently switched to EQ2 to try out legally selling characters and what not..

A shame it doesn't work there. =(

Thanks for the reply though!

Jack-Zeal
11-06-2007, 08:26 AM
I just started 5 boxing and i have read almost every post on this website but no where have i seen instruction on EXACTLY how to set your characters into perfect formation so that the vetra multicaster works effectively (where the characters stay together instead of splitting off) Can you please tell me exactly how this is done. I dont have programmable x keys so is there anyway with in-game macros or any other way that i can get in these fancy formations and keep my characters together well?

Djarid
11-06-2007, 08:57 AM
I understand that this can't be done... there will always be inconsistencies between your machines, the effect of which will magnify over time.

the way to do it is to have a "main" which the "clones" follow... there are various methods of switching mains on the fly but I think focus is the preferred method (a simple search on assist and focus should produce lots of results)

dniem
11-19-2007, 12:08 PM
Hello everyone and thank you Xzin for such a great write up.
I read it many times to make sure I understood all the steps and decided to start my 5 box project myself.

I already sent an order for my next 4 computer, since I already have a brand new one only a few months old. I'm sure I'll have some questions as it comes up so I'll be posting again soon.

-D

*edit*

Well it wasn't long for the first question.
I was shopping for the Xkeys pad, I'll go with the Xkeys Pro one. Now I was wondering how this all connects with my keyboard. Do I need to buy a keyboard with a PS/2 slot on it? Or a USB one? I'm pretty confused on that part, could someone reexplain it to me please.

Xzin
11-19-2007, 01:23 PM
The PS/2 Xkeys comes with a passthrough. So you hook it up to your existing kb.

dniem
11-19-2007, 02:04 PM
If my keyboard has a USB plug in, is it ok if I use the adaptor to make it PS/2? Or I really need a PS/2 only keyboard?

dniem
11-19-2007, 03:04 PM
Well I ordered the same KB as Brad so I'd guess it's gonna be ok.

Negativ1337
12-24-2007, 05:05 PM
Awesome Xzin :D

I wonder why your not boxing all your mages to 70. It will cost a bit on the TBC disks, but then you can get merci gear ^^. You got any explanation i didnt readed somewhere on the forums? :P

soloboso
01-01-2008, 03:46 PM
for those of us who live in africa without paypal access,can you accept egold or wu or wire info

please respond keyclone

roknroll
01-15-2008, 12:22 PM
It'd be great if you could post this in the Beginner's Section! I'm new here, and have pretty much spent all my time there. This was a very very good guide and comprehensive overview that would have been great for me as one of my first reads!

Ellay
06-10-2008, 12:49 PM
added to the wiki.

Nalovan
09-09-2008, 12:26 AM
I have 1PC w/ HotkeyNet. and 4 Accounts...Cost tons less and is very sufficient.

here is my Computer Specs:

Phenom triple core processor
4gigs of ram
3200 HD Video OnBoard.

1 Monitor, I dont need to see the other windows cause I can see them fine on my main.
Very easy setup and save tons of money!!

merujo
09-12-2008, 01:25 PM
g man, gz!

Dinazzo
09-15-2008, 09:41 PM
i read and re read and re read you post i just not sure about the keyboard y splitters are they use to connect the main keyboard to all the computers at the same time give t hem a another keyboard to control them with

I am new to the boxing and i want to build a setup just like you have i have a decent idea how everything goes but however i was wondering if i can get some pics fro where you connect you stuff up and how they are connected
so that i would have a better understanding of whats going on

still at this point the Y splitter got me confuse for now i think i know the purpose of them but i not 100% sure

anything you add i would be grateful for i have been reading other stuff as well i got like a huge book printed out that i going go thu

however i really like your setup best and I am willing to spend the money to get set up that way

i know the computer i have now can and will run wow 5 times but it just don't look that simple or would seem like a good way to go to me

thank you
Dinazzo

Sokoo
09-17-2008, 06:42 AM
May need to change the part where you say you can't transfer from PvE to PvP as of now it is possible to do so :)
PvE-to-PvP Paid Character Transfers Now Open
11/09/08

Providing a smooth and enjoyable experience for all players is always a priority for us, and we are continually re-evaluating our policies and programs to do so. As the state of the game has matured substantially since the inception of Paid Character Transfers, we will now be allowing PvE-to-PvP transfers on a full-time basis to provide players with more mobility and freedom to easily play with their friends.

Keep in mind that all of the other standard cooldowns and restrictions will continue to apply; we’re just opening the option to transfer characters on Normal realms to Player-vs.-Player realms. Please review the Paid Character Transfer FAQ if you have any questions on how this service works.

You can use this service at any time by visiting your Account Management page and selecting the “Paid Character Transfer” button.

Xzin
09-17-2008, 08:37 AM
The post is actually so long that I can't edit it anymore. Will have to figure that out.

Erra
11-24-2008, 03:42 AM
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hi piggy,

sorry about the slow response.

unit187 put an extensive guide for AHK together here:
http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums2/viewtopic.php?t=807

if you are unsure of scripting and would rather just get up and running, there is keyclone here:
http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums2/viewtopic.php?t=883

keyclone is easier to set up and has a few tricks AHK doesn't have. on the other hand, keyclone has a one-time $10 price tag (all updates free).

i might be biased as i wrote it.. and continue to update it. my goal has been to get people up and multi-boxing in minimal time... reducing the hardware cost along the way. you should be able to find plenty of references to keyclone using 'search' here.

if you have any questions, just spend me a PM.
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Sorry to bother you, but I can't seem to find where you're supposed to pay on your website? O,o
Or rather, where I click to pay!

blade350
11-26-2008, 03:40 PM
so most of the keys seem to be transfering over to the 2nd box in wow but the Q and E and also the mouse looking around does not seem to transfer to the second window, any ideas? forward and backwards and the number keys all work...also i have "focus follows mouse" on

confusedtx5
02-09-2009, 11:13 PM
Awesome write-up Xzin. Gave some great insight for me on how the pros do it.

For me, a single pc with keyclone is gonna be the best I think, now that pc hardware is so much more advanced then when wow first came out. my pc already has aud$3k of hardware in it, and i'm due for another upgrade (Core i7 ftw). If for some reason it can't handle 5 instances of wow (already does 2 without a sweat), then I'll link keyclone to a secondary pc.
I'm gonna be running 5 druids for PvE initially. With the right key mapping (and alot of practice), I believe I can control a tank, dps and heals at once. And being druids I can change their roles at a moments notice, eg 4 heals on the tanker at once.

Xzin
02-10-2009, 01:08 AM
At this stage in the game, I would seriously suggest a software solution for MOST people. If you need cutting edge PvP response times then go hardware. Conceptually, what I did can now be done virtually in software and actually work pretty well.

KAC
03-26-2009, 02:04 AM
I use keyclone on two different computers right now operating 5 accounts. 4 instances on one and just one on another. As far as hardware switching goes I think keyclone does a superb job at broadcasting key presses with no lag at all really. The only lag I have is due to hardware,ram amount and the sheer fact im running 4 games on the same rig. I am planning on building 3 new boxes that will each run 2 wows on differnt comps with my main being fed by one computer. Each comp will have a raptor drive in it and 6gigs of ram along with a nice upper class vidcard in a microatx lanbox/htpc enclosure.

The thing I hate most is actual screen real estate in my current setup. I have dual 24" monitors but they are not big enough. I was planning on getting three more 22"inchers to have each char on and using synergy to just jump to them when I needed too.

I configure my g15 keyboard using the g-keys and binding them to my druids healing macros for each individual char. My three shammies have macros that heal the tank each seperate focus and the whole group with chain heals. My pally tank has no problem holding aggro or being healed in pve encounters at all. I stumbled across this thread and saw that this is some years old but still has some cool info in it. I think I am going to buy one of those xkeys pros and use that like xzin did with the tooltips pics right on the keys for healing instead of the g15 and use those keys just for macros for quest accept and inviting and setting focuses.

What i want is a mouse click broadcaster because remembering where all my keys are and then switch up chars and hitting modifier keys to operate macros based on new focuses is a pain in the royal ass. Is there any mouseclick clone that works well with wow that anyone here uses?