Just started dual-boxing a few days ago, NO keyclone/hotkeynet, etc (edited)

[jheinn]

I got my second 70 recently, and wanted a new challenge, so I decided to try multiboxing. I decided on a mage and an elemental shaman, and am currently lvl 25. I am not using any programs, such as keyclone or hotkeynet, because a) don't have the money to pay for keyclone at this time, and b) I tried hotkeynet, and was completely lost. So basically what I do is have one WoW at the top left, and one at the bottom right of my screen. I cast on one, click the other window hit "1" ( which is /assist ) and begin casting on that character. AOE grinding is difficult in itself for someone new to it, and even more to someone dual boxing. My dilemma is, I want a program that clones my hotkeys, but can't get one as mentioned above. Hotkeynet was fail to me because I could not input my password ( when I tried it, I was using two computers ). Any help and suggestions would be appreciated. :)



EDIT: Yes, I read the guides and everything, but you can't ask a guide a question. I tried Synergy, and again, was completely lost. I am considered computer literate, but these programs are making my head hurt. I have decided to keep both WoW's on one computer, with the setup I mentioned above. /frusterated that I can't make heads or tails of these tools ( Keyclone, etc)

[Kaynin]

Try autohotkey, there are some standard WoW-made scripts you can get for it too. If you have trouble programming the scripts you have little chance to make it customised to your likings, but it is way better than using nothing. :p

http://www.autohotkey.com/

And WoW related scripts you can load into Autohotkey:

http://www.dual-boxing.com/wiki/index.php/AutoHotKey_Sample_Script_Collection

There are probably a few threads here that has full scripts as well, that you just need to copy-paste, try the search function..

[Freddie]

I tried hotkeynet, and was completely lost.
I'm sorry to hear that. I know HotkeyNet looks very technical and intimidating. Eventually I hope to add some easy point-and-click screens so people can set things up without turning themselves into programmers. But the current version is tough unless you're a bit of a geek. I regret it, but that's how it is.


Hotkeynet was fail to me because I could not input my password ( when I tried it, I was using two computers ). Any help and suggestions would be appreciated. :)
If you mean HotkeyNet's password, as long as you're using a router, you don't need to use that. I never bother.


EDIT: Yes, I read the guides and everything, but you can't ask a guide a question. I tried Synergy, and again, was completely lost. I am considered computer literate, but these programs are making my head hurt. I have decided to keep both WoW's on one computer, with the setup I mentioned above. /frusterated that I can't make heads or tails of these tools ( Keyclone, etc)
Let me tell you my trick for preventing this kind of headache. Actually it's not a trick, it's just how programmers do everything.

Start with something incredibly simple. The simplest, tiniest thing you can. With HotkeyNet, that would be one hotkey that sends one keystroke. Get that to work. How hard can it be to get one keystroke to work? Not hard. Somebody will tell you how to do it on a forum.

Then add another little bit. By now you see the pattern. Now you can add a lot of keystrokes.

Then add another kind of feature. Add things one at a time.

The advantage of adding one small thing at a time is that if it doesn't work, you know exactly what you did wrong. The reason people get frustrated is usually because they try to do 50 different things at once. Then when the result doesn't work, they have no idea what to change to fix it.

[aNiMaL]

Good luck getting the multiboxing started.
The start can be a bit troublesome,
but once you get over the first few bumbs it's going to be so satisfying <3

[SilverSlice]

configuring the keyboard broadcaster aka the keyclone and rest of the programs you mention above, as well as getting some suitable macro's together.
as well as getting past the first few hours and correcting any problems or lack of configurations that you have missed the first couple of evenings of boxing is not a picknic

hang in there, like the person above me said, start with someting really easy and simple. and take simple small babystep from there on. check the wiki, and use the search function and go trougth
post other have created before you, you should find problems and situatiosn closely to your own and use the feedback and information in those treads to find solutions to atleast some of the problems
that are giving you a headeache and pain now :)

when you have gotten yourself a prober configuration and macro's and gotten a hang of the boxing part you will spend a lot of hours opon hours enjoying the multiboxing experience. the headeache from the
first few evenings are well worth it.

Silver

[jheinn]

It was nothing against hotkeynet, I did manage to cast a few spells with it, and it was the first I tried. The issue is with having an alpha-numeric password for WoW ( not Hotkeynet's password ), and using hotkeynet along with the broadcast feature, my laptop was saying "I need a target" and my computer was laughing at me trying repeatedly to input my password, and not being able to put the numbers in =(. I guess my main problem is not knowing how to ask the questions I have, and not being so computer literate. But! I do plan to take computer classes online, as well as some programming classes since I am unable to physically go to college ( back problems ).

And, I am enjoying multiboxing, even if I am doing it all manually. I switch back and forth pretty fast, and since both are casters, I have time enough to cast on each. The healing part, I am a little bad at, but I'm learning quickly.

I appreciate the support I am getting here, and thank you all for your help. Maybe I should go to the bookstore and get some books that help me script things like this. I love the ideas behind the programs, and Hotkeynet's instruction manual was fabulous, without it I would not have gotten anywhere at all.

And btw, I speak the ebonics of geek: I could tell you all about how the blood elves came to be and why the night elves are mortal, but when it comes to scripting, I am speaking a completely different language. Give me some worksheets or something, lol, I really want to learn this, and I am determined to do so.

[Kaynin]

And btw, I speak the ebonics of geek: I could tell you all about how the blood elves came to be and why the night elves are mortal, but when it comes to scripting, I am speaking a completely different language. Give me some worksheets or something, lol, I really want to learn this, and I am determined to do so.

I'm one of them lore freaks too. Did you know trolls have fur, for example? ;) *purr*

Anyhow, I'd keep trying to get a program to work, I only have experience with autohotkey myself apart from keyclone. So the other programs I have little knowledge off. But I'm sure you can get something to work.

I doubt getting books about scripting helps much though. There's like a ton of different computer languages. The most important thing is just grasping the complexity of it all. (Which isn't all that complex at all, you'll come to realise, once you get around messing about with it.) Every computer language is essentially the same. You can break it all down in 1's and 0's after all. ;)

If you could tell me which keys you want broadcasted. I could supply a rather simple autohotkey script, but that's about all I can do for ya. :P (So like, 1234567890qertfgzxcv for example.)

[jheinn]

If my brother wasn't so busy, I'd have him come over and set everything up. But then I'd get teased... being the baby sister is like being the WoW newb.

[Macos]

Imo get Octopus, its what I've been using and it works great. Setup is simple and it broadcasts your mouse if your using multiple computers. It also has Maximizer for multiple instances on one screen. Best of all, its free! :thumbsup:

[jheinn]

I heard octopus doesn't work anymore, or maybe it doesn't work for vista? my friend told me that it's more complicated than the others, which is why I shy away from it

[Freddie]

The issue is with having an alpha-numeric password for WoW ( not Hotkeynet's password ), and using hotkeynet along with the broadcast feature, my laptop was saying "I need a target" and my computer was laughing at me trying repeatedly to input my password, and not being able to put the numbers in =(.
Oh I see. Not to belabor HotkeyNet, but since this has come up, I'll mention that I added a new command to HotkeyNet a day or two ago for launching WoW. It's much easier now to enter WoW account names and passwords. If you want to try again, let me know and I'll help you.


I guess my main problem is not knowing how to ask the questions I have, and not being so computer literate. But! I do plan to take computer classes online, as well as some programming classes since I am unable to physically go to college ( back problems ).
I think the main thing that distinguishes people who manage to become decent programmers is that it's fun for them. It's like a game to them. If you react that way to it, then naturally you do it and learn it. If you don't, then learning to program is pretty unpleasant. And if you're in the first category, then the main thing you need to do to learn is write programs. Any kind of programs in any sort of language. That could include "simple" forms of programming lke spreadsheets and web pages and even multiboxing scripts.


And, I am enjoying multiboxing, even if I am doing it all manually. I switch back and forth pretty fast, and since both are casters, I have time enough to cast on each. The healing part, I am a little bad at, but I'm learning quickly.
This may sound odd but almost all my multiboxing was done by hand. I multiboxed for years in Dark Age of Camelot without third-party software. Then when I got bored with DAOC, I wrote HotkeyNet. My hope was that HotkeyNet would open a new dimension on an old game and make me enthusiastic again. But it didn't happen. I never played again, except for testing. And I've never gotten interested in other mmorpg's since then. So I'm probably the only person out of the 750 people in the HotkeyNet beta test who never uses it. :)


Maybe I should go to the bookstore and get some books that help me script things like this. I love the ideas behind the programs, and Hotkeynet's instruction manual was fabulous, without it I would not have gotten anywhere at all.
Thanks, I appreciate that. I can't think of any books that would help but I don't know exactly what you think you need to know. Like I said, if you want to try HotkeyNet again I'll be glad to answer your questions.

I understand feeling like you don't know how to ask questions. But I think that's always the case for everybody when we learn something new. After we find out the answer, we realize the question should have been phrased differently. But still, even though it always works that way, we have to ask our imperfect questions in order to learn.

To put it another way, learning is a process of asking the wrong question, adjusting it, asking again, adjusting it, etc.

[Macos]

Well I run it on my PC on XP Pro and my laptop on Vista and it works fine. It includes everything you need and setting up what keys to broadcast is simple. There's also a few guides that run you through setting it all up. :thumbup:

[Amond]

octopus works,unles something happened the last 12 hours or so :)

im new to boxing aswell,and i heard and read everywhere that Keyclone is the way to go...but i decide to give octopus a go,cause its free,and i wanted to see if i could get my head around all this before i bought keyclone.

well..im still using octopus,not saying that keyclone isnt better,i wouldnt know,just saying that octopus worked great for me :)



try it out at least,its not so bad to understand,and u can get tutorials from the forum.



good luck with boxing :)

[Marious]

I have not personally tried out Hotkeynet but from what some say its a great program though it takes a bit to setup if you have never dealt with a program just like it.

I use Octopus, now as far as Vista is concerned you might have the whole admin thing going there, quiet a few programs have issues on Vista due to the admin restrictions. Now to solve this you will need to make sure you have admin rights, this might mean you will go in as admin or set up and input the admin password I do not have vista but everytime I see something with vista and some of the programs they talk about here it is due to admin issues.

I hope this is not the case since I will be setting one up this weekend on a vista machine for my friend, he is not very computer literate so got to help him out since he has 2 accounts and wants to multibox.

[kaiverrettu]

I heard octopus doesn't work anymore, or maybe it doesn't work for vista? my friend told me that it's more complicated than the others, which is why I shy away from it

Works fine on my win7 64bit.

Octopus is good, you just have to make macros, though it's easier for autohotkey if you're just 2 boxing. When you build up alot of toons then autohotkey eventually becomes unreliable, and you're forced to use other programs such as HKN or Octopus.

I use octopus and I have to make assist macro for every ability for a maximum multiboxing performance.

[MiRai]

Thanks a ton for necro'ing a thread from over 3 years ago.

Locking thread.