Programing Keys ... legit?

[Ghallo]

So WoW goes to great lengths to limit the player's ability to macro. However, hardware solutions all seem to come bundled with the ability to macro built in. I can hit 1 button... and 3 different spells are cast.

Is this ok?
Is this a don't ask/don't tell situation?
Will Blizzard be able to detect that this is going on?

It's not like the hardware can make any kind of decision - the player chooses when to hit the macro.

Thoughts?

[beyond-tec]

Is this ok?
Is this a don't ask/don't tell situation?
Will Blizzard be able to detect that this is going on?

It's not like the hardware can make any kind of decision - the player chooses when to hit the macro.

Thoughts?

keyclone posted several screenshots with a GM contact ingame where he tells the GM about his tool and asks if it is legit. The GMs said that it ain't a bot process so it's ok.

Blizzard got problems with addons / scripts that automates processes or make a decision. I.e. the changes in addons that automatically removes magic effects or cure deseases and decided themselfes which one with just one keypress.

They've made limitations that you can only cast one spell per keypress so you can't start a batch of spells and grab yourself something to drink while your char kills the boss automatically :)

everything our scripts do is within the TOC from Blizzard because one keypress = one action on one char. The only thing that's different from other players: we control more chars at once. if we press one key it is pressed on each of our chars but we need to press the key so it ain't a bot process.

[Shogun]

If you're refering to the functions built into hardware such as Nostromo n52's and Logitech G15's etc, where you can program a single keypress to add delays etc and create cast sequences, then yes, this is against their rules. They can pick up on it if you have a regular pattern, down to a milisecond etc...

Best bet is don't use em, and play properly :)

[Ghallo]

Ah, but that's just the problem. I have the Fang pad. I can go into a button (say the bottom left) and change it so that it DOES hit several buttons.

For instance, say I am on a warrior, and I want to Charge, SunderX5, Heroic Strike

For the sake of this discussion, let's say I mapped Charge to 3, sunder to 2 and HS to 1.

I can go into the Fang setup, pick a button (any of them) and say:
Sequence 3,2,2,2,2,2,1
Then click the "Delay edit" and set it so that there is a 1.5s delay between each action.

I now hit 1 button and these actions all fire. I could be getting a coke in the other room.

However, this makes no decision... if I hit this button and the Sunders miss... it doesn't say "sunder until there are 5 on the mob, then HS".

Just making sure everyone understands the question.

[beyond-tec]

the difference is:

3,2,2,2,2,2,1 (you press the button 7x)

1 (you press one button and your keyboard or another tool presses
3,2,2,2,2,2,1)


the first one is ok
the second one forces an account ban.

why?
because of a single rule:

One Keypress = One Cast per Charakter.
everything else = Bot process.

[Shogun]

Ah, but that's just the problem. I have the Fang pad. I can go into a button (say the bottom left) and change it so that it DOES hit several buttons.

For instance, say I am on a warrior, and I want to Charge, SunderX5, Heroic Strike

For the sake of this discussion, let's say I mapped Charge to 3, sunder to 2 and HS to 1.

I can go into the Fang setup, pick a button (any of them) and say:
Sequence 3,2,2,2,2,2,1
Then click the "Delay edit" and set it so that there is a 1.5s delay between each action.

I now hit 1 button and these actions all fire. I could be getting a coke in the other room.

However, this makes no decision... if I hit this button and the Sunders miss... it doesn't say "sunder until there are 5 on the mob, then HS".

Just making sure everyone understands the question.

Banable offence if caught, no proof required. :)

[Djarid]

just to clarify on Beyond...

1 keypress must equal 1 input to wow

the ingame scripting engine can be used to perform multiple actions within the bounds blizzard have enforced.

[zanthor]

Macroing = Legit

Scripting = Not Legit.

There is a distinct differnet between the two..

You say tomato, I say global thermal nuclear war...

Lets take the G15 for example - it can be used inside and outside the TOS.

Lets take x-keys - same thing...

Autohotkey - same thing.

Use your head, if you are doing more than 1 thing per account with 1 keystroke, it's probably going to get you banned eventually.

[Djarid]

Macroing = Legit

Scripting = Not Legit.

There is a distinct differnet between the two..

again to clarify...

scripting outside of wow is illegal

scripting inside of wow using the provided lua interfaces is fine (macros & addons)

[Zaelar]

Macros outside of wow aren't necessarily legit. Anything that doesn't have a delay in it should be fine, anything that does have a delay isn't.

The general rule is one action per keypress (per character). This isn't the end all on deciding what is ok and what isn't, but it is a good guideline.

This got me thinking, would a macro that does nothing for 3 seconds then cast a spell be ok? Not cast wait cast, just wait cast.

[peejosity]

Macros outside of wow aren't necessarily legit. Anything that doesn't have a delay in it should be fine, anything that does have a delay isn't.

The general rule is one action per keypress (per character). This isn't the end all on deciding what is ok and what isn't, but it is a good guideline.

This got me thinking, would a macro that does nothing for 3 seconds then cast a spell be ok? Not cast wait cast, just wait cast.

I thought they removed the delay ability in macro's?

Say you have 4 mages, and you want them to cast frost nova in sequence, char1, then char2 then char3 etc... this can be done with 1 macro...

I think its posted in the macro section where toon one has (might be spelt wrong or someting) /castsequence frost nova,,, then 2nd mage has /castsequence ,frostnova,, etc
Well it goes something like that anyway, much like the warlock type affliction macro's around... I don't use scripting anyways... I don't think its a good idea for this community to use it as the threads on official wow forums might one day rule to ban dual boxing... so maybe we all just play by the rules? ;P

-peej-

[Djarid]

Macros outside of wow aren't necessarily legit. Anything that doesn't have a delay in it should be fine, anything that does have a delay isn't.

The general rule is one action per keypress (per character). This isn't the end all on deciding what is ok and what isn't, but it is a good guideline.

This got me thinking, would a macro that does nothing for 3 seconds then cast a spell be ok? Not cast wait cast, just wait cast.

I thought they removed the delay ability in macro's?

Say you have 4 mages, and you want them to cast frost nova in sequence, char1, then char2 then char3 etc... this can be done with 1 macro...

I think its posted in the macro section where toon one has (might be spelt wrong or someting) /castsequence frost nova,,, then 2nd mage has /castsequence ,frostnova,, etc
Well it goes something like that anyway, much like the warlock type affliction macro's around... I don't use scripting anyways... I don't think its a good idea for this community to use it as the threads on official wow forums might one day rule to ban dual boxing... so maybe we all just play by the rules? ;P

-peej-

I hope we all do!

Scripting in WOW is completely legal! what do you think all the addons and macros are?

I don't know of any multiboxers that uses external macro tools for anything other than passing keypresses to multiple instances of wow on a 1 physical keypress to 1 logical keypress in each instance ratio.

[zanthor]

scripting inside of wow using the provided lua interfaces is fine (macros & addons)

Not necessarily. Pre 2.0 I had a UI mod that I guarantee I'd have been banned if they caught me using it. It was a 1 touch priest. Each time you stroked the button she checked a logic trap to see if she needed dispelled, if she needed heals, if anyone else needed dispelled, if anyone else needed healed, if she needed to mount/dismount/find a new follow target/drink/eat/etc. The fact is that I never ran her unattended, but I did sit and watch her play entire AV's without ever interacting with the game myself...

Just because you find a way to do something inside game mechanics doesn't mean it's legal. Use your head, Blizzard can ban you because they feel like it. That means dance on the line of what they want, and they'll overreact and ban you cold. If you stay well within what they want, then you are golden.

There ARE round robin solutions to allow casting spells in sequence that wouldn't violate the spirit of what they ask - Setup your G15 keyboard to send 12345 on successive keystrokes (Which it can do with the new beta drivers and suddenly I'm seeing the need to rewrite some mage setup on my boxing config) and have each mage frost nova in order...

[Djarid]

hmm gonna have to take a look at these beta drivers.

[Zaelar]

The one button heal macro doesn't work anymore. You won't be banned for using it, you'll just get an error message I assume.

I'm not talking about castsequence, I'm talking about an actual delay between button press and spell usage. Still only one spell per keypress, just not at the time of the keypress. Can't be done in wow, at least not that I know of, so it would have to be a delay function from an outside program. Not something I'm going to try, just curious about it. I'm going to assume it is something that wouldn't be detectable unless they specifically tried to detect the program with the delay macro, but also something that might get you banned.