keyclone v1.7n beta available

[keyclone]

g'morning all.

to avoid the mess of last week, i've decided to put out a beta and get some field testing before replacing the current stable.

http://www.solidice.com/keyclone/keyclone_v1.7n_22oct2007a.exe

the beta is also available on the downloads section @ solidice

v1.7n
--
o bug fix: missing extension when saving in keymap editor
o bug fix: missing description in keymap editor
o improvement: jerkiness upon startup
o maximizer: will now auto-adjust game resolution (wow specific.. thanks Bollwerk)
o setup: new language panel for choosing your language settings
o setup: enabled 'exact name match' by default
o added overlay panel w/ audio reminder
o added sound event panel
o added override graphic overlay reminder

i'm particularly happy with the maximizer update, now keeping the game aspect ratio correct. thanks Bollwerk

the graphic overlay is a bit annoying in game as it constantly 'blinks' as the wow client forces a refresh. it's not enabled by default, check the setup/override setting for more. once i resolve the blink, i'll enable it by default.

also, if anyone has any default sounds that they think would be better, let me know... these are just the ones i had available. short sounds are pretty much required... and i personally like sounds that are soft and not overly disturbing

let me know how it goes.

[grimfandang0]

Everything is running smooth, just to let you know, though I cna click on languages and there is no options to select, as in I can't choose another language, not sure if it was fully implemented or not. Also a Suggestion, the button next to the the command input box on the main screen is labled "connect" I was wondering if it was better to label it "Launch" as most people who use this program, use it to multibox on one pc, and aren't REALLY connecting to anything (I know this is purely a symantics thing, but just something I was thinking about)

[zanthor]

Everything is running smooth, just to let you know, though I cna click on languages and there is no options to select, as in I can't choose another language, not sure if it was fully implemented or not. Also a Suggestion, the button next to the the command input box on the main screen is labled "connect" I was wondering if it was better to label it "Launch" as most people who use this program, use it to multibox on one pc, and aren't REALLY connecting to anything (I know this is purely a symantics thing, but just something I was thinking about)

I would guess that more than you expect use it to connect to other PC's... I have recently been running 2 on my laptop, 1 on my desktop.

[keyclone]

i've thought about changing the label... 'connect' is legacy pre-commands.

i'm also having thoughts on renaming 'override'... seems it's not intuitive to people

as for languages... yes, it is currently not deployed so the panel is empty. more of a place holder currently

[Elesar]

I think connect fits the use just fine. I run this program on three systems since you cant multi Vanguard on one system. I have used it with WoW and had three clients on one system, but I still think that connect is the proper way to label something that "connects" all of your applications, no matter how many systems that you have running.

As for override, not sure how that isn't intuitive, but to each his own I guess.

Haven't tried out the beta yet, but I am hoping that the overlay indicates whenever you are in override mode, as I sometimes forget to toggle that back off, and end up in a world of hurt :(

[keyclone]

override was intuitive for me... but others seem to have issues. i'm always open to better suggestions

as for the beta, the override can now give you 2 different types of indicators. one is visual and shown on the lower right of your clones (like MUTE on a TV screen), and the other is a audio reminder which is also configurable. you also get an audio cue whenever you toggle override

only problem with the visual overlay is that it blinks like crazy. it is not enabled by default... you just have to enable it via the setup/override panel.

post your thoughts here... if i get no comments, i'll think about promoting it to stable around the weekend.

[grimfandang0]

I stand corrected ^_^

And Keyclone, yeah I havent' had ANY issues all day, Good and stable on my pc.

[keyclone]

grim, what do you think of the audio cues for override? like? doesn't matter? disable immediately??

inquiring minds would like the feedback ;)

[kayb]

I liked the sounds. As long as it's kept subtle, I'm all for it.

Connect could perhaps be Execute or launch or something like that. When you know what the button does, the name doesn't matter much.

While here I want to ask the keyclone users if anyone with Vista can get maximizer to work?

[Gallo]

I froze up when trying to override. Had to restart my computer each of the 2 times I tried it. Switched back to the stable version and I'm good.

On a side note... has anyone ever had a problem with 1 character running off when you hit your "character spread" key? I have this one character than gets stuck in like an auto run (his auto run his unbinded) and I have to hit the follow key quickly before he aggros the whole instance.

[grimfandang0]

I froze up when trying to override. Had to restart my computer each of the 2 times I tried it. Switched back to the stable version and I'm good.

On a side note... has anyone ever had a problem with 1 character running off when you hit your "character spread" key? I have this one character than gets stuck in like an auto run (his auto run his unbinded) and I have to hit the follow key quickly before he aggros the whole instance.

I had a wireless mouse the would do the same thing, after a prolonged time holding both mouse buttons I would have to keep hitting the mouse one button to get the toon to stop running, and it was never predictable.

[kayb]

Gallo: I had that happen all the time when I used 2 buttons to spread out. I changed to only one button, and it never happened again.

[zanthor]

I haven't had a chance to really dig in and play, but the maximizer functionality upgrade rocks!

1650x1080 on my laptop can now run two 825x1080 windows! Using /viewport from CTMod I'll shrink the graphics window so it looks about normal and can put my chatboxes/bars/etc int he blackspace below... this should help create a MUCH more playable window, using it quartered was killing me!

[grimfandang0]

grim, what do you think of the audio cues for override? like? doesn't matter? disable immediately??

inquiring minds would like the feedback ;)

I like the audio Notification, the Overlay notification would blink on screen and dissapear, it didn't really stick. I'm thinking of binding a a macro to the pause/break key that announces in game "I have enabled override"
Not that I dont know when Im pressing pause/break but one more small notification couldn't hurt.

[Ping]

well, i am not THAT happy with the new maximizer-settings. i can see like... nothing on my 2nd account now. maybe you should add an option or chechbox for that

[grimfandang0]

well, i am not THAT happy with the new maximizer-settings. i can see like... nothing on my 2nd account now. maybe you should add an option or chechbox for that
It would be best to explain the problem, what do you mean you can't see your 2nd account? Did you even go into maximizer and set it up?

[keyclone]

if you do not change the maximizer regional layout, it defaults to full screen... so running 2 would just stack them behind eachother.

check this link for maximizer sample layouts

http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums2/viewtopic.php?t=1560

[Ping]

well, with the new maximizer, my action bars take the whole lower screen, when i talk to someone my screen is completely full with that message and so on
i may post a screenshot when the servers are up again

[keyclone]

that would be because you are using it half screen (if you are using vertical split). there are mods that allow you to change your UI however you want... or you could use a different layout.

[kayb]

Spitscreen was imba. I recommend Bartender3 addon so you can move UI stuff around.

Btw keyclone, out of curiosity I was wondering what was your thought process behind the decision to not make override global?

Edit: Here's a picture from my setup:
http://myth.as/wowpics/splitscreen.jpg

[keyclone]

@kayb
originally, over 18 months ago, override was global... but when i use to use it across 5+ machines running 10-20 accounts (shadowbane), it became an issue. there were sometimes when i'd like to just have one screen turned off while the others continued (like in a corpse run)

i have been thinking about having 3 levels of override... current, machine-wide, clone specific and global.

if i can get the graphic overlay to stop blinking (and killing the cpu) it'll make more sense... that's something for this weekend.

also... imba??

[Bollwerk]

imba = imbalanced (overpowered)

I assume that means he likes it alot.

[smallo]

This sounds for the override are a bliss for me, cause i always used to end up having problems founding out which pc was on or off.

however, i installed the beta to have a play with and see what was what, but the new maximiser system has blew everything out of proportion.

i can see what you was trying to do, but now i have to adjust ALL my mods and screen view bookmarks.

the only problem is that the default wow target frame goes over the default wow map frame. and its all confusing.

i tried to reinstall the old version, but it seems it remembers the settings of the new maximiser from beta version.

any help on restoring the old maximiser ways??? feel like crying cause that sound system was good, but maximiser new maximiser = booo.....

when i get the time i'll probably try again, but i dont have the time to understand why fubar only recognises half the screen and why other things disspear off the otherside of the screen. /blush.

[keyclone]

try a horizontal split instead of vertical.

maximizer for v1.7n fixed the aspect ratio, keeping stuff from getting stretched. i personally like the vertical, but you can use any layout you want. the vertical does make the screen less wide, thereby cutting off the bars... going horizontal instead will keep the aspect ratio correct while giving you plenty of room for your bars.

let me know if that works.

[smallo]

hahaha, you can tell its late at night, i didnt really think of such things.

yes it does work and its pritty dam clear too, as you said the screen is really wide, so bars get cut off like fubar and such.

on the other hand, my monitor is only a 17" so i guess i'd have to play with UI scales and font sizes to be able to see chat and bar text.

i'll reconfigure the mods over the weekend, i dont really have the patience with wow atm after i keep being the main target of cheater spam ingame /sigh.

[keyclone]

i guess wide screen would work better with vertical split

[peejosity]

Wide screens work better with vert split ONLY if u keep wow in normal 4:3 mode eg 800x600... don't keep wow in a widescreen res... like I did lol


;)

-peej-

[zanthor]

One thing I noticed that would be "nice"...

If you made KeyClone cache the previous resolution settings and have it set it back after all the games launch...

I use a hybrid install which is based off SimLinks so my main wow shares the config.wtf with my 2box wows... what this means is that unless I use keyclone to launch Aazan after I've played Bazan and Cazan I lose my settings and have to either reset the resolution by hand or launch it with KeyClone after setting it to one region even if I'm not multiboxing...

I believe this would be what Smallo was saying happened when he downgraded.

[keyclone]

why would you launch with anything other then keyclone? ;)

yea, i was thinking of putting the res back somehow... it's on the list

anything else for the list before i push v1.7n out of beta?

currently:
o put resolution settings back after launch
o fix graphic overlay to stop blinking
o fix cpu usage when graphic overlay used

[peejosity]

why would you launch with anything other then keyclone? ;)

yea, i was thinking of putting the res back somehow... it's on the list

anything else for the list before i push v1.7n out of beta?

currently:
o put resolution settings back after launch
o fix graphic overlay to stop blinking
o fix cpu usage when graphic overlay used

Is there a way to launch programs on PC A Without having to run a 2nd keyclone to connect to PC A and rightclick - run - wow?

Also when u do the Run.. command, it brings up the new box for you to type in the command, is there any way to automatically put the cursor in that text field without having to click? ;)

[keyclone]

putting the focus on the run command... no problem.

as for running a command on a remote machine...

assuming: machine-A machine-B machine-C

where machine-B runs your main, A and C run 2 clones each.
you set A and C to auto-connect to B
then you add commands to A, B, and C to run wow
(you could have wow1, wow2 for separate directories)

then, on B, after A and C have connected... you type:

A:wow1;A:wow2;C:wow1;C:wow2;wow

and hit 'connect' or enter. (the last wow runs locally on machine B)

this willl run all your wow instances in one shot.

[peejosity]

putting the focus on the run command... no problem.

as for running a command on a remote machine...

assuming: machine-A machine-B machine-C

where machine-B runs your main, A and C run 2 clones each.
you set A and C to auto-connect to B
then you add commands to A, B, and C to run wow
(you could have wow1, wow2 for separate directories)

then, on B, after A and C have connected... you type:

A:wow1;A:wow2;C:wow1;C:wow2;wow

and hit 'connect' or enter. (the last wow runs locally on machine B)

this willl run all your wow instances in one shot.

Ok so I understand everything except how do you load wow from keyclone on the pc your using... without doing it from a 2nd keyclone instance (either from another machine or as a 2nd instance on local machine)

[keyclone]

the combo box on the bottom of the main screen will now take the ip:port of the machine to connect to as well as a local or remote command. the format is as follows:

[<ip to connect>[:port]]
or
[[keyclone-nickname:]<command>[;]]

so... once you make the command (wow == c:\program files\world....) you can put the command into the combo box on the bottom of the main keyclone screen and hit enter (or click 'connect').

you can run multiple commands at once by separating them by semicolons ';'

in the previous example: A:wow1;A:wow2;C:wow1;C:wow2;wow

that command, executed from machine B, would run 2 copies of wow on A, 2 on C, and the final 'wow' would run on B since it has no nickname in front of the command

[zanthor]

why would you launch with anything other then keyclone? ;)


Sometimes, I know this may sound odd... but sometimes I just play one toon and raid ;).

[Matt007]

Hi Keyclone,

installed the new Version (wrote two days before in the 1.7m Thread). Removed the old Keyclone dir (don't know if i have to remove anything from registry), downloaded the version, unziped and started keyclone.exe without having any wow open. The results are, that a .tmp file is generated in the keyclone directory (seems the motd) and loads up cpu and memory, without doing anything and then create something i would say sounds like a Buffer Overflow (Apps get weird, Gfx Errors, etc.). After killing the keyclone.exe Thread and restarting the apps the os works again.

[keyclone]

weirdness. sounds like v1.7n won't be getting bumped out of beta just yet.

keyclone does not touch the registry (i hate the registry)... by removing the keyclone directory, there would be nothing left on the machine.

the .tmp is for the message of the day (motd).

just starting keyclone puts your system to 100%.. that's not good. did you deny it out via windows firewall? it needs to attempt validation as well as pull the motd.

any other clues as to what could have caused it to have a fit? what is your OS? what is running? any firewall software? did it ever pop up or did it just crap out?

thanks for the heads up. keep it coming... it only helps improve the product.

[grimfandang0]

Hey keyclone got another one for you, downloaded and installed the [WoW] ptr client to my machine, I went into keyclone and created the command line test which leads to the program *C:/Program Files/World Of Warcraft/Wowtest/wow.exe* I then reset maximizer and set it up for 4 panes on one monitor, and go out put in *test;test;test;test* on the command line and they just open one on top of the other.

Is there an issue with Maximizer not working too deep into a sub tree?

[keyclone]

no.. it should work fine. make sure you have maximizer enabled via the checkbox at the bottom of the panel.

let me know how it goes.

[grimfandang0]

no.. it should work fine. make sure you have maximizer enabled via the checkbox at the bottom of the panel.

let me know how it goes.
Yep disabled it, reset it then re-enabled it, re-set it up and still opening them all up on tope of eachother with out spreading themn around as I have set up.

Also this does it at work on an XP machine and at home on a Vista machine.

*edit*
Ok after doing some more experimenting, I copied 2 world of warcraft folders into two new parent folders labled test1 and test 2 respectively, so now my commands read *c:/Program Files/Test/World Of Warcraft/wow.exe* and *C:/Program Files/Test2/World Of Warcraft/wow.exe* I start up keyclone with my 2 new test commands and voila it works. I rename the folder structure to match that of the real wow PTR client structure *C:/Program Files/World Of Warcraft4/WoWTest/wow.exe* and *C:/Program Files/World Of Warcraft/WoWTest/wow.exe* and once again maximizer works fine so its something with the ptr client preventing Maximizer to work, dont know if this is something you want to look into, as in a change in the client that might cuase problems on launch day for you or maybe im just worrying for nothing.

[hapiguy314]

Hey KC,

I bought Keyclone last week to try it first before I recommend it to my GF who would like to dual box. I am like Xzin who currently has everything hardware with Vetras. However, I have some friends who are interested in multiboxing and I would like to recommend an alternate means rather than spending 4 grand on a hardware only setup.

I love the Version 1.7n. It perfectly does what I bought it for - which is to use the maximizer option to display two WOWs on two different monitors in a horizontal span without the boarders and incorporate what AHK does without all the hoopla.

The only issue I have is "saving" my setup. Currently, each time I run keyclone, I have to go to all the setup options such as Command, Override (disable the beeping sound every 5 seconds when I do not want keys to broadcast), Maximizer settings, etc. I thought it was as simple as creating a "new" kcl file but the New, Save, etc buttons would not work.

I'm hesitant to try the new versions of Keyclone because it may deviate from an already near perfect version. Does Keycloan (specifically version 1.7n) not allow you to save the settings so you don't have to set them up each time you run keyclone? Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Hapi

[keyclone]

Hi Hapi,

If you get keyclone, you are entitled to all future upgrades for free... my only request is that folks pass along the good word.

I would recommend downloading the latest, v1.7r, and installing it in another directory for comparison. i believe there was an issue in v1.7n with the files not storing properly... which has since been fixed (to the best of my knowledge... please correct me if i'm wrong)

keep an eye on the stickied thread for the latest version info and upcoming development efforts:
http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums2/viewtopic.php?t=883

if there is anything else i can do, please don't hesitate to ask.

have a great day,

Rob

[kadaan]

why would you launch with anything other then keyclone? ;)

I use maximizer to launch because it lets me specify the exact pixel size of each window. Using keyclone's UI it wouldn't let me put in the exact size of each of the windows (at least nowhere I could find.)

Which would lead me to...

Feature Request:
Ability to specify absolute position/size of each of the windows :).

[Djarid]

seconded

just bought and started using keyclone... love the key broadcast but I am suffering with the inflexibility of the maximiser functionality.

I run all three instances on a 24" 1920x1200 screen using 1920x800 for my main and 800x400 for my clones

btw does anyone know how to get wow to use custom resolutions? I used powerstrip successfully on my laptop to create a resolution for my TV but that was running at that resolution

[skarlot]

here's a bug : on a vertical span split into 2 the top window will overlap the bottom window by 1 pixel (so i see 1 row of the top window on the bottom screen) i cant play!! lol.
ps i look forward to global override, the sound events have been great.