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Ogre
09-02-2008, 01:00 PM
I was in Chicago as a friend of mine (involved with the Renaissance Society (art part of it, not the re-enactments and role-play parts - not that there's anything wrong with that, just didn't want you to get the wrong idea of the subject matter)) invited me out to play Quake III against a visiting artist that was putting on an art show at the Chicago University campus. The artist was claiming to be good and my friend wanted me to kick his tail. The artist was a proclaimed "Digital Artist" and part of his art was digital art (he made his own skin for the game - hell, thousands of kids made their own skins from Cartman to Bananas in Pajamas). This artist's skin was an Oriental man with no shirt on, jeans and holding a camera (the artist was Chinese and he said it was kind of a joke on the stereotype for his people modelled after himself).

My friend sometimes has alterior motives in his invites, and he paid my way out to Chicago, so I soon found out why.

Reporters were coming wanting to talk about violence in video games, and "how the Columbine shooters were affected by this violence into shooting their classmates" was the only theme they wanted to talk about. Of course, the artist wanted to have the attention paid to his art, not talk all about "violent videogames as de-moralizing the nation's youth." So, my friend introduced me to the guy who showed up in khakis and a Chicago Tribune polo and said he wanted to talk about video games, that I was the "expert."

To keep a boring baited conversation short, where the Trib guy kept asking me different angles of his theme - I told him that these kids already had problems, and angled back to the parents. I remember reading that the father of one of the boys had known his child was involved in the shooting (and not shot) when police came to his door. Videogames, music and gory movies are easy scapegoats for problems that start at home, and we don't have hundreds of thousands of people shooting up schools after playing videogames was my angle as the answer to his questions.

I didn't know a guy who approached during and was listening into a conversation between me and the guy from the Trib was from Wired - he looked like a college student from there on the Chicago U campus wearing regular street clothes and a sweatshirt pullover. Of course, after introductions, the Trib guy was growingly offended that I was more interested in talking to the guy from Wired. Of course, who do you think I am and why I'm here? I love videogames, and a guy from Wired coming to talk videogames is more interesting to me than a guy writing a column for the masses about "Videogames as the Devil."

We had a great conversation about how cool games are getting, and how I don't play Quake III much, but I love to LAN Party, etc.



On the competition with the artist:

Oh, almost forgot… I wore a shirt with a cool chromed Superman logo on the front. I had picked it specifically for the event, because what internet geek wouldn't want a cool superhero shirt? I told my friend that if the artist won the competition between me and him, I'd give him the shirt off my back. Kind of cliché, but it's also a trophy as a reminder of beating me.

I made this bet even though I hadn't really gotten into the Quake III. I owned it, played it some, but it felt too arcade-y for me. ID nerfed some of my favorite weapons (railgun especially) and changed things around that increased surviability in the base game, which made bad players better. It kind of desecrated something dear to me, so I didn't play it much.

We were also playing in his world. Three 20 foot screens fed floor to ceiling by projectors. VERY COOL. The controls were Belkin Nostromos (the first ones I think) and a Belkin N30 mouse with some weird thumb lever on it - I was used to playing on keyboard and mouse. I had expected to get a lot of practice time, but the place was filled with college students all day. They didn't look particularly adept, and the screens were kind of washed out by light in the room for most of the day.

I was finally getting some practice time, when they dimmed the lights and the artist's entourage came in (him and a lot of the Chigago art society - very uppity, dressed in furs and minks). Kind of surprised me - didn't expect the lights to be dimmed as some sort of cage-match and I wasn't really hadn't figured out the Belkins. My heart started to race.

I completely smoked him, he was not very good. At one point I jumped on top of his head while he was scanning the room on the level we were on. He obviously knew I was there of the sound of me jumping while strafe-running was echoing. I pulled out the chain-fist as my friend yelled laughing, "HE'S ON TOP OF HIS HEAD!!!" The model angled upwards and I know he saw me. I chain fisted him, which as you Quake-er's know that will gib anybody. As his body disintegrated into chunks of goo, there was an "Eww" that eminated from the crowd.

The "Party"

My friend took me to a "party" afterwards - which I'm betting your and my mental picture of a "party" is pretty much the same. I found myself in a $20M apartment in the Four Seasons, admiring the wall-to-wall art filled apartment with my friend and the Art Society. My friend said the artists themselves come in and paint the art directly on the wall. If the owner moves, they roll paint over it and the artist goes to their new place and paints it again. I can only imagine how expensive that is.

Everybody but me had suits on, I still wore my sweaty Superman shirt. The biggest surprise to me was that everybody was very nice to me, from the servants to the hostess. They were all interested in the gaming I do and why I was in Chicago. I didn't get the feeling they were talking behind my back, and it was a very interesting experience. As you can see, it's one I'll NEVER forget!

My superman shirt still hangs in my closet at home as a reminder of my adventure.

Chaosomega
09-02-2008, 01:22 PM
NIce story, kept me entrigued the whole time. Love the whole scenario with you cage matching the artist.

Never played quake 3 myself but that sounded like an intense moment to win the crowd over and that game...



But all i wast inking, thank God you didn't lose, woulda been pretty embarrasing going to a $20M dollar apartment sweaty and no t-shirt.

zanthor
09-02-2008, 01:30 PM
I ran a gaming news website for several years, mostly a blog about MMO's but I'd cover whatever news I could get my hands on, and try to keep some decent traffic to the site. At it's peak I was getting around 10K hits a month, nothing in the big fish world of the web, but not bad either. I did make front page of /. a few times and my site stood up to those...

Anyhow one of the biggest trends in media that angered me was the "it's the games fault"... it's not the game, the kid was fucked up before he got the game, he just used the game to cope for a while... for all you know, the kid could have blown up earlier without the game as an outlet!

Ogre
09-02-2008, 01:54 PM
NIce story, kept me entrigued the whole time. Love the whole scenario with you cage matching the artist.

Never played quake 3 myself but that sounded like an intense moment to win the crowd over and that game...



But all i wast inking, thank God you didn't lose, woulda been pretty embarrasing going to a $20M dollar apartment sweaty and no t-shirt.
LOL - no kidding. At the time, everything went so fast I don't think I even had a shirt with me to replace it.

I remember being at the party and the heat was turned way up. I was sweating like crazy, having to walk around with tissues to mop my face. I don't remember anybody else in suits having to do that. Anxiety of feeling out of place probably attributed to it, but it was soon forgotten over caviar, champagne and good convo.

I'd LOVE to go back!

Ogre
09-02-2008, 02:08 PM
I ran a gaming news website for several years, mostly a blog about MMO's but I'd cover whatever news I could get my hands on, and try to keep some decent traffic to the site. At it's peak I was getting around 10K hits a month, nothing in the big fish world of the web, but not bad either. I did make front page of /. a few times and my site stood up to those...

Anyhow one of the biggest trends in media that angered me was the "it's the games fault"... it's not the game, the kid was fucked up before he got the game, he just used the game to cope for a while... for all you know, the kid could have blown up earlier without the game as an outlet!
Exactly. Millions of people play violent video games today. I think at the time I was ranked in Quake II it was 620,000 players listed. I have no idea if that meant just different names.

Millions of people listen to Metallica (isn't it like 4 platinum records in a row which beats the Beatles?). I remember seeing an HBO special on some kids accused of killing another kid in a satanic ritual. The special featured the music of Metallica. All they talked about was that these two kids from a rurual town wore black and grew their hair long and listened to Metallica, as if that's some recipe for destruction. When I grew up, I wore an Iron Maiden shirt and grew my hair to the middle of my back, and I played more Quake than those kids so I guess I'm a ticking time bomb...

Anti-social people have anti-social interests. Big surprise. :)

Naysayer
09-02-2008, 02:21 PM
you said "servants", lol

Ogre
09-02-2008, 02:39 PM
you said "servants", lol
Heh - I suppose I should have said "servers" but I think that might have been misconstrued in this community. :)

The hostess had a full wait staff with a maitre d', a butler, maids, etc. For all I know, it could have been someone catering or for show, but the butler had a cool British name, and one gal was following the hostess and ordering around the others. The wait staff all wore baby blue maid uniforms for females (very hot) and blue slacks and collared white shirts with blue ties for the guys. They all had white gloves on. I think she was an independantly wealthy major art dealer of sorts, but didn't want to seem to nosy as an out-of-place guest. The dinner was prime rib and chicken - very flavorful. They did a great job, my glass nor plate was ever empty.

The dining room sat about 20, and I never saw the kitchen, but with the number of people going in and out of it - it had to be huge.

Tonuss
09-02-2008, 02:42 PM
Anyhow one of the biggest trends in media that angered me was the "it's the games fault"... it's not the game, the kid was fucked up before he got the game, he just used the game to cope for a while... for all you know, the kid could have blown up earlier without the game as an outlet!People want easy solutions to difficult problems, and there are few things as terrifying as the thought that at any time and any place, some stranger will walk into a school or restaurant (or your home) and start blowing people away. It makes people scared and it makes them feel helpless. So when someone comes along and says "all you need to do is ban video games, and this will never EVER happen again," they jump at that opportunity. They see a bogeyman in every video game after that.

No one wants to hear the truth about the matter-- there are many factors involved in those incidents, and many of them have occurred without video games being involved at all. Many times, people dismissed signs that might have helped them stop it from happening. This means that maybe it is not avoidable. Or worse, this means that if it IS avoidable, then WE have a responsibility to notice these clues and act on them. No one wants that responsibility. Better to blame one specific thing (rock and roll, porn magazines, violent movies, video games, comic books) because that means that you can blame someone else. And if you manage to get rid of that thing, then you have magically fixed the world.

In other words, take society, add a large dose of laziness and stupidity and presto... video games lead to major crime.

blast3r
09-02-2008, 03:43 PM
Wow, that is insane! That would have been fun as hell!

I played Quake a lot and my favorite weapon was the fist. People hated me for it. :) I killed a LOT of players with it, though. That is the 'got pwn3d' weapon of Quake.

Fizzler
09-02-2008, 10:12 PM
Great thread. I have to tell you I am all about personal responsibility. Folks seem to want to find a scapegoat in everything.

WoW did not make me addicted to games no more than McDonald's is not responsible for adding some padding on my gut.

I do love the servants slip.. too funny.


"Everybody but me had suits on, I still wore my sweaty Superman shirt. The biggest surprise to me was that everybody was very nice to me, from the servants to the hostess."
When you show up to a black tie event in a sweaty spiderman shirt maybe a football helmet would have completed the ensemble ;P

Yamio
09-02-2008, 11:06 PM
Great story man! There was no way you could have known what the proper attire would have been for such an event. It's a good thing you gave him a beat down huh?

As far as blaming video games/music/movies or whatever for a kid's actions, I agree with you. In today's society it's unfortunate we're in an age where no one seems to take responsibility for their actions. Not only do perpetrators blame something or someone else for what they did, but there are many folks, (parents, psychologists, school administrators, etc) who will back up these claims, and in some cases will be the first ones to bring up the "source" of someone's dysfunction.

I have a friend whose kid is the school bully, but I'll be damn if my friend doesn't blame the school for his son's actions. No one has the (guts maybe?) to tell my friend that kind of crap starts at home. I've never told him that. I should, but instead I make fun of how he and his wife are able to raise a great little thug.

Stealthy
09-03-2008, 12:26 AM
Great story and great thread. I totally agree about responsibiltiy being placed back to the parents - it seems that parents these days want to blame everything or everyone but themselves when their child turns out to be dysfuctional.

How does that old saying go? "A bad workman always blames his tools."

Cheers,
S.

Hetzer
09-03-2008, 01:47 AM
great story mate, i rarely read a post twice but your i read 3 times....sounds like you had a day that, may i dare say, most of us gamers dream of!

If you ever make your way here to Oz be sure to drop me a line, though i cannot guarantee that have that sort of day here i can guarantee that you will be deported hangover with no memory of the pervious days events….. :whistling:

Hetzer

Ogre
09-03-2008, 10:23 AM
Thanks everybody - I have another one to tell you guys about a separate interesting trip to Minneapolis to a Mega LAN when I have time to type it - might be today - it's pretty quiet so far. I've only had a couple of bad LAN experiences - and they were only bad because they were boring (people screwed up the network, didn't calculate the power and we kept throwing the breakers, idiot blew out his computer and he talked me into building it from scratch, and such).

I'm jealous of the guys who will be able to make it to BlizzCon - I can't get away from work. I do have to say if you're on the fence about taking a gaming trip - GO! I've had a ton of fun and am on about a 95% success rate in travelling to different gaming conventions. I'd also suggest to hold one if you have the opportunity. It's a ton of fun!

Havelcek
09-03-2008, 11:09 AM
Great story, thanks for posting!