A plea to all newcomers

[Otlecs]

I know you're excited. I know you're impatient. We've all been there.

But before you post your very first question, PLEASE follow our Community Guidelines (http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?t=1518):


General Forum Rules
Before asking for support of ANY KIND, search the Wiki and/or the forum search function.
Identifying yourself as a "noob", "newbie", "new to this", "n00b" or any permutation thereof does NOT absolve you of the responsibility to do some research of your own before posting.

The reason I ask this is because I absolutely love helping people. Many, many people here absolutely love helping people, and we get a bit of a buzz out of seeing somebody new get up and running.

BUT... and here's the rub... if we little helpers come along first thing in the morning (I'm in Europe), all enthusiastic, looking for problems to solve and we're greeted with two pages full of questions that people could have answered for themselves with even the smallest amount of effort, our enthusiasm wanes, frustration takes over, and people who actually NEED help aren't helped.

In other words, genuine requests for help with potentially tricky / unique problems are lost in the noise of posts from lazy people who can't be bothered to do anything for themslves. That's a bad thing.

We all know that the search facility can be hit'n'miss, and we're tolerant of that. I post "use the following links" *alot*, but I never do that without first having used them to find the answer myself. Some things are genuinely difficult to find, but most are not, and I'd rather teach people how to find information than just keep recycling the same old stuff over and over again.

So, please, be considerate in posting your questions and (here it comes....) make full use of the information that's already here:

How to ask a question (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375)

Guides (http://www.dual-boxing.com/wiki/index.php/Vyndree%27s_Guide_to_Guides)

Software Tools Forum (http://www.dual-boxing.com/forumdisplay.php?f=28)

Forum Search Facility (http://www.dual-boxing.com/search.php)

Better, but off-site search facility (http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=008057042136573243121%3A8oo5ucbwy-s)

Wiki (http://www.dual-boxing.com/wiki)

Video - how to set up your very first WoW team (http://www.wemultibox.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74) <- Absolutely mandatory reading if you're completely new to boxing!!!

Thank you, and I apologise in advance to anyone with a unique problem with which I might have been able to help but didn't because I just hit the "mark forum as read" link before I resorted to banging my head on the table.... yes, today IS a bad day for the newbie forum....

[Diamndzngunz]

Awesome Post, but do you think people know how to read? No.

[Otlecs]

Yeah. And even those that can will see more than one paragraph and skip it.

Oh well.

Writing it was therapeutic for me anyway ;)

[macgyrl]

I read all of it, and have yet to post a question, bc I do tend to search for my answers (and have usually found them) before asking here.
I've been dual boxing a warrior - hunter combo, and I'm at lvl 52 already, but plaguelands is really tough without a way to heal :(

[shaeman]

Otlecs post wasn't targetted at you. (In fact the chances of the ones he was targetting it at actually reading this is slim)

You've got your duo up to 52 so have evidently read and worked out the basics.

I would recommend ungoro (if you haven't done it already) and felwood if you are finding plaguelands hard, then go back at 54, where I'm sure your combo will find it easier going. It would suck not having the ability to heal in some way.

I tried solo levelling a warrior for a while (till about 24) and the biggest negative was not having healing (especially when you get in amongst a bunch of ranged casters).

[macgyrl]

yes I know his post wasn't directed at me :)

and I just flew my toons back to un'goro to do a few of the quests there and gain a few levels before heading back to PLs

if only my net connection would allow me to run more than 2 copies of wow, I could boost them a bit...

[Otlecs]

I've been dual boxing a warrior - hunter combo, and I'm at lvl 52 already,
That being the case, you're almost certainly one of those whose worthy questions run the risk of being lost in the noise I was complaining about :|

[blast3r]

Okay i give this post 5 thumbs up.

[merujo]

u must know that some people never used a forum before. they dont know whats a thread, a post, a poll.
the search is great, but sometimes, it wont show the results ur after, and new ppl will give up if they never used a forum before.
we keep building this huge edrama towards new ppl to this forum, when in fact they can be even new to any kind of forums, so give them a break.

some ppl just make new threads because their lazy, but theres also others that dont even know what to do, or where to click.

[Aethon]

Otlecs post wasn't targetted at you. (In fact the chances of the ones he was targetting it at actually reading this is slim)

.....


Yes, the fundamental problem with most posters on the internet is once they see something new, they want to ask how to do it, not search for themselves. People ignore stickies, ignore previous posts (even ones right below them) and ignore common sense. Now usually once they are directed to the proper places and told "no, don't ask that, search for yourself," then they frequently become upstanding, fully contributing members of the community. The problem is the begining, when they just run in asking all sorts of questions.




u must know that some people never used a forum before. they dont know whats a thread, a post, a poll.
the search is great, but sometimes, it wont show the results ur after, and new ppl will give up if they never used a forum before.
we keep building this huge edrama towards new ppl to this forum, when in fact they can be even new to any kind of forums, so give them a break.

some ppl just make new threads because their lazy, but theres also others that dont even know what to do, or where to click.

Well, if they're new to forums, I'm sure they've used Google or some other search at some point in their life. People don't get lucky and type in "howdoidualbox.com" and have it go to the right place.

[Otlecs]

u must know that some people never used a forum before. they dont know whats a thread, a post, a poll.
Let's pretend I accept that. Let's pretend that all the duplicate thread starters (often on the same page) are completely new to forums and don't understand how they work.

Let's take somebody on their first new and exciting journey into the world of forums.

Ok, so you get to the main page. You see a bunch of things you can click on. I'll take the liberty of assuming that even somebody who's unfamiliar with a forum will be familiar with the Internet and clickable links, if I may...

One of those "things to click on" says "New Multi-Boxers & Support". Hmmm. Ok, I'm clearly new. Let's start there.

Hey, there's a couple of clicky things in the description too. It says "New To Dual/Multi-boxing? Checked the Wiki (http://www.dual-boxing.com/wiki) and still not sure on something? Having problems? Need a Guide (http://www.dual-boxing.com/wiki/index.php/Guides)? This is the place for you!".

Well, a Wiki sounds like a small furry animal but I know what a "guide" is.

Right there, in the forum description, are two links to perhaps the most important resources we have. The people I'm ranting at are the ones who come stumbling in, register, click somewhere and post their mind-numbing question without ever having had the common decency to look at the links RIGHT THERE in the forum description.

Or to read the first couple of pages in the forum they're thinking of posting on.

None of this demands any prior knowledge of forums - it demands a modicum of restraint, respect, and common sense. Nothing more.


the search is great, but sometimes, it wont show the results ur after, and new ppl will give up if they never used a forum before.
The search often sucks. I said that to begin with. Those of us who have been around for a while can often think of an obscure keyword to find an old thread that we remember from some time ago and it wouldn't be reasonable to expect a newcomer to know that.

A case in point is a question posted on General about account ownership names. I remembered a similar thread from ages ago by the keyword "mickey mouse", which was used as an example fake name. Of course I wouldn't expect a newcomer to know that :)

But things like affinity? Is keyclone free? What free software is available? Why doesn't keyclone work with <game>? Questing vs. instancing? Is x+y+z a viable team? How do I do collection quests? Why do all of my characters talk at the same time? Why do my characters go off in different directions after a while? The thee hundredth simple permutation of a recruit-a-friend question?

And my all-time favourite - "I'm too lazy to even bother reading anything, so can somebody post a personalised guide right here in this thread for me, or even better maybe talk me through everything", usually accompanised by a sprinkle of "lol"s and a couple of sticking-out-tongue smileys?

Come on.

MOST of the frequently occuring questions can be answered by the original poster regardless of their level of familiarity with forums. I bet most boxers never post anything to be honest. They come here, find all they need, and then go off and quietly just do it.

When I respond with my standard bunch of links, I absolutely 100% guarantee you that the answer can be found there, because I would have already checked, but there's no way on God's green earth that I'm going to encourage people to keep asking questions that they can answer for themselves, given sufficient motivation.

If the answer's in any way obscure, and doesn't pop up when I try the search for myself, I'll sometimes post a direct link and a hint on what the keyword was (formations and picture-in-picture are good examples).

we keep building this huge edrama towards new ppl to this forum, when in fact they can be even new to any kind of forums, so give them a break.
I think the problem is that we sometiems give people too much of a break. We encourage them to be lazy and disrespectful by indulging them.

I don't accept that a lack of knowledge on how to use forums means they don't know what a box labelled "search" means.

[Naysayer]

Sticky

:thumbup:

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Were I a six-handed denizen of one of the planes of Hell, I would thank you for this very well-worded post...right before I ate your liver for dinner and your soul for dessert. Then I'd give you 6 thumbs up. http://www.l00py.net/phpbb/images/smiles/satan.gif

[Wilbur]

I'd like to addon...

Searching google with site:dual-boxing.com will search everything on the site.

[BobGnarly]

u must know that some people never used a forum before. they dont know whats a thread, a post, a poll.
the search is great, but sometimes, it wont show the results ur after, and new ppl will give up if they never used a forum before.
we keep building this huge edrama towards new ppl to this forum, when in fact they can be even new to any kind of forums, so give them a break.

some ppl just make new threads because their lazy, but theres also others that dont even know what to do, or where to click.Please. Unlike Otlecs, I'm not even going to pretend I'm buying this.

You honestly believe that all these people coming here posting the same things over and over are doing so because they've never visited a forum before? Let me followup by inquiring whether or not you have any interest in a little bridge I'd like to sell.

No, the VAST preponderance of people doing this are doing it for exactly the reason that frustrated him into the OP - laziness.

[Stabface]

And don't forget Awbee's custom google search !!!!

Seriously I want to macro a reply to paste it like 50x in a thread.
And somehow disable emotes so it won't eat the ": 8" -- link works fine though, appropriate to have a bunch of :8 in it anyhow it's just that cool!

zomg no smilies, thanks Vyndree :)

http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=008057042136573243121%3A8oo5ucbwy-s
http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=008057042136573243121%3A8oo5ucbwy-s
http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=008057042136573243121%3A8oo5ucbwy-s
http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=008057042136573243121%3A8oo5ucbwy-s
http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=008057042136573243121%3A8oo5ucbwy-s

[Vyndree]

And somehow disable emotes so it won't eat the ": 8" -- link works fine though, appropriate to have a bunch of :8 in it anyhow it's just that cool!

http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=008057042136573243121%3A8oo5ucbwy-s

http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=008057042136573243121%3A8oo5ucbwy-s

http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=008057042136573243121%3A8oo5ucbwy-s

http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=008057042136573243121%3A8oo5ucbwy-s

http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=008057042136573243121%3A8oo5ucbwy-s

Before you post, click the "settings" tab between the textbox and submit buttons, and uncheck "Enable smileys in this message". ;)

[Oswyn]

Great post Otlecs. If there was only a way to make it mandatory to make this post viewable. Making it a sticky with flashing lights would help me thinks.

[Heenan]

Unfortunately, sticky'ing this guarantees no one will read it.

Great post though.

[Oswyn]

I think providing a meaningful subject line is incredibly important as well. Something that would immediately identify the type of question so that we don't necessarily have to go into every post to read the question. When doing searches or browsing through forums, this would help identify the content more quickly.

[Oswyn]

Unfortunately, sticky'ing this guarantees no one will read it.

Great post though.

You are right. But it doesn't hurt to do it and if it even reduces the duplicate posts by a little, then it's worth it imo.

What it boils down to is that we know there is a problem. How is that problem solved? Negative posts or calling people idiots does not solve the issue and only puts a black eye on how the community is portrayed. Let's focus on positive methods on improving the image of the community towards newcomers and the efficiency and effectiveness of the forums.

Is it possible to get hit count on www.dual-boxing.com vs www.dual-boxing.com/forums? I'm thinking most newcomers may go to main URL first. Maybe that's a good spot for an introduction to the forums and tips for newcomers that want to get help in the fastest way possible.

Just throwing ideas out. I really want to help make the forums rock.

[Otlecs]

I'm surprised, and honoured, that this post has received such positive feedback. Thanks everyone. It was banged out in an attempt to channel my frustration at yesterday's batch of posts into something positive.

Much tongue-biting took place in the creation of this post!

It might have been more effective if it had been left un-stickied and then just bumped whenever things got silly again though ;)

A couple of you mentioned the custom Google search. That's in my standard set of links as the "better, but off-site search facility".

[Jamien]

Great thread, unfortunately experience tells me that 90% of people who will post on forums post without reading the stickies, around 40% then claim they did read the stickies but didn't find anything/skipped through/missed that bit/etc.

[doafanatic]

Great thread, unfortunately experience tells me that 90% of people who will post on forums post without reading the stickies, around 40% then claim they did read the stickies but didn't find anything/skipped through/missed that bit/etc.I totally i agree with that. Most of the forums i go to most of the newcomers don't bother reading all the info that is already there. Which in most cases could solve the problems they might be experiencing. Before i even thought of multi-boxing i took a week 1/2 to look for information about it and watch some videos people made which were really helpful BTW :) . Most of my time i looked over Wiki which helped a lot. Then i went on reading what other people posted up about some problems they were having. Once i started it's all about trails and errors to see where everything can go and what i'm comfortable with.

[Souca]

Great thread, unfortunately experience tells me that 90% of people who will post on forums post without reading the stickies, around 40% then claim they did read the stickies but didn't find anything/skipped through/missed that bit/etc.

Do you guys know where I can find a post about how a newb like me should post? >.<

Great post. I like posts like this because even though I try and fit in when I join new communities and respect the customs, it can be helpful to have a dump of what is expected.

- Souca -

[Tasty]

Hi guys sorry I'm a bit of a noob. I can has multibox?

[Shakula]

Nice post, im new here, but not new in reading forums. So I can imagine how tiresome it would be reading same questions over and over.

Must say this forum is great, alot of information gathered at same place. I started MB in EQ1 with five chars 5-6 years ago was a blast, but never had Multiplicity/Keyclone to make it easier. Was 3 computers with as many mouse/keyboard got a bit hectic from time to time. So with WoW I took a break from MB and been raiding and such not hardcore, but grew tired on allways having to depend on others with time and their skill to play.

So when RAF came I jumped onboard and bought 4 fresh accounts and working on catch up. Decided to go with a Prot Paladin, Resto Shaman (my old main so good equipment), Moonkin and 2x Elemental Shaman as my main crew. Got them to lv50 so far and leveled a crew with 5x Warlocks for fun to lv40. Im on Anachronos EU, having a blast so far.

At my company we have an phrase, "Steal with pride", meaning you should not invent the wheel if its allready invented. Accept help from others and see how others solved their problem. Thanks for the knowledgebase so far!

[sk0rned]

ok im sorry to say that i've been looking all over the web for a couple hours since 6:00 AM to 9:30-ish AM and i cannot find anything to help me getting started on multi boxing = / ive looked at forums, vidoes, web posts, tuts and alot more and i cant find anything, can somebody please help me?? im desperate ;(

[Ughmahedhurtz]

ok im sorry to say that i've been looking all over the web for a couple hours since 6:00 AM to 9:30-ish AM and i cannot find anything to help me getting started on multi boxing = / ive looked at forums, vidoes, web posts, tuts and alot more and i cant find anything, can somebody please help me?? im desperate ;( lol...incoming first warning. Trolls not allowed here.

[sk0rned]

"Trolls not allowed here."whats that suppose to mean?

[eqjoe]

Awesome post.

I moderate several gaming forums and I have come to notice that some people are lazy. They refuse to read anything outside of a thread that they did not create themselfs. We sometimes refer to these lazy gamers as "post-happy non-reading morons" (PHNRM).

I think the OP did a great job of pointing out how these type of "PHNRMs" drags down a community by asking the same questions over and over, ignoring the dozen or so threads already here and packed with answers.

Well done.

[Wilbur]

EQJoe :-D

Good to see you, hows stuff been?

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[Bannaric]

Hi, Im a noob ^_^ and not a computer genius. I just joined and was wondering if i have to buy or download or wat eva i need t odo to Multi Play me World of Warcraft accounts ( I have 2 ) and i was wndring if u could just break it down to simple answer lol. Thnx :D

[eqjoe]

Hi, Im a noob ^_^ and not a computer genius. I just joined and was wondering if i have to buy or download or wat eva i need t odo to Multi Play me World of Warcraft accounts ( I have 2 ) and i was wndring if u could just break it down to simple answer lol. Thnx :D

Sure... simple answer.

First simple answer requires that you make a post in the correct forum. HINT: This thread does not qualify.

Second simple answer is that there is about 14 ways to two box WoW. You would need to choose one of those methods....

Third simple answer is that you need to quit being lazy and read the dozen or so threads already available here on this board that describes the 14 or so ways to two box WoW.

Forth simple answer will get me muted and or banned because I would be pointing out what a total retard you appear to be. My advice would be to stop acting like a moron or find another hobby. Morons are not allowed to two box. Its in the rules (I KNOW I read that somewhere).

[Svpernova09]

Forth simple answer will get me muted and or banned because I would be pointing out what a total retard you appear to be. My advice would be to stop acting like a moron or find another hobby. Morons are not allowed to two box. Its in the rules (I KNOW I read that somewhere).*Snip*

You should check in the rules here:

General Forum Rules Before asking for support of ANY KIND, search the Wiki and/or the forum search function.
Please read the forum name and description before posting, posting in the wrong place does not help you or other forum users.

The General Discussion forum is NOT for support Keep on subject, discussions which deviate outside the original subject can result in the thread being locked, deleted or moved. Be Nice :) (Includes you wilbur :P) be nice to each other and respect the authority of Moderators and specialist staff. if you're going to be a dick by calling people retarded for stupid shit like posting in the wrong forums or asking questions, go back to Lavish forums. These forums are *helpful* and people don't shit on others when they ask a question. A mod / someone just comes by and corrects them or sends them on their way to the answer.

[lostpuppy02]

I would first like to agree that a lot of questions i'm sure spawn from simple and pure laziness. But not all questions, that may seem trivial and easily found for someone who frequents the net, can be as easily accessed by someone who has a limited knowledge of the goings on in the cyber world. I'm sure everyone who has posted on here, and i've read them all, could have told me where to find the IP and port for the "auto connect", but i couldn't find anything. It's possible that i looked right over it, and if i did, please accept my appologies, but i looked through several posts unsuccessfully, before asking my question.Other than that information, i had very little trouble in getting everything set up right, at least it works as far as i can tell. I think the moral of my story is, while some people are just plain lazy, there are some who just have a general ignorance of the internet.

[saftsoppa]

Hello, I am going to start multi-boxing 3 ele shamans and this is my very FIRST time I am ever multi-boxing :thumbsup:

[Griznah]

Welcome Saftsoppa =) Please drop in on the channel again and let me know how 3 clients on your 1,5 gig of ram works out for you :)

[saftsoppa]

I will!

[ogkushmaster77]

hi im new to this fourm and yet this is the first thing i've read here. first to address this thread with my first post here.i see where ur coming from alot of people are lazy and sum are clueless.but i think i can shed sum light on how alot of people think when they sign up to a fourm.first of all there looking for info and by the time the sign up there wanting info right away.and what quicker way than to ask in a post.and most people think of a fourm as a place to ask ? not to search post to find an answer and most don't even know they can search or care to know as there wanting an answer right way so they bypass all thesticky notes and all the tabs like"search" and go str8 to posting.now there the other type of person that even if they found what they are looking for they want/need that human contact to reasure them that there in fact on the right path to the knowledge they seek.i myself read read read b4 i post i most of the time get most of what i need in research but there is still ? i have but i find that the ? i have are minor ones but im anal when it comes to knowledge i find myself wanting to know everything even stuff i really don't need to know maybe but for sum reason b4 i do anything i like to know what makes what work and why.so im sure i'll have sum ? but not right now.and as for the post above asking ? like how do i multi box or whatever bs u asked wtf? thats the lazy stuff he's talking about put it this way i knew nothing about multi boxing till this morning and i already know pretty much what to do as in keyclone for 1 or autohotkey ofcorse iv'e been reading up on it since 8am this morning.and i thought u had to have more than 1 computer but found that u can do as many as ur 1 computer can handle by doing the open up as many wow apps and as long as u can type ur pw in without it lagging or freezing then u should be ok i opened up to 15 wow's at once with no problems and stoped there as i got tired of opening more so the 3 that i want to start off with should be fine.anyways love the site and hope to be multiboxing by tonite. :thumbup: :thumbup:

[hazardjsimpson]

I just want to say I'm also a new 'boxer - running a 2 toon rogue/druid combo. I'd been running 2 instances on one machine using KeyClone to broadcast, and it was decent, but my machine didn't really like the extra overhead of 2 wow instances running. (I prefer to play @ 60+fps instead of 25-30, ;) ) - anyway, if any other new 'boxers out there are using more than one comp and need some setup help, I *highly* recommend Octopus and reading Ughmahedhurtz' tutorial on it -- it's amazing, and after a couple hours of frustration with keyClone/Synergy combos, I was up and running with Octopus.

Freaking amazing how well it works!!

This community has been a lot of help/information over the last few days -- thanks to everyone (especially Ugh).

-Hazard
Gypsymoon 36 Rogue / Fallingstars 36 Druid

[damo1900]

Well i had my first problem...and it has taken me a day to find the answer.....read many post....typed in lots of combinations...and finally got what i was looking for....cheers so much for all the info. I had a problem with the username not coming up...and yes you guessed it.....i was clicking the wrong launcher.....DOH!.

I run 4 mage's on Nagrand...and have been banned 3 times for getting too involved in arguements with the unknown...the idiots...and the name callers. So I learnt my lesson...as my mum used to say...."If your going to play with the other children...be nice"......lol

So cheers again

Fazuule,fazule,fazulle..( The Fazule Brothers )...and Burnsunit.....lvl 29..ATM

[Vairdin]

lol, some of these are EXACT quotes from my friends website "MMOwned"

good to know im definately gunna read all the stickies and stuff

[Katannah]

...for what it's worth, the only people this sort of post seems to address with any meaningful weight are people like me, who took the time to follow Google link after Google link, sift through a multitude of tutorials only to find that either they do not address the most basic of definitions for the noobiest of noobs(is KM the same thing as KVM? Do I really want to broadcast on my main window as well as my alts when I'm using a toggle to broadcast? Do I want to broadcast or maximize; is the independent mouse action faster than the key broadcasting?) or they are software-specific (a Keyclone tutorial has minimal bearing on an Octopus setup).

There's a wealth of great information on this site, and it's really the only site I've relied upon when learning how to dual box (I just recently became a 'boxer), but I shudder to do the research to find out if I can easily maneuver between Octopus profiles for 2 PCs and 1 PC, which I will need to do prior to tomorrow at midnight because my second PC does not have a DVD player and I know how long it'll take to install my game's expansion via a networked DVD. But the info will not be in one easily found place--say, a post entitled "Swapping 2-PC/1-PC Configs in Octopus via Profiles" as an example--and I will have to sort much chaff to find the grains of gold.

In summation, as much as you all feel abused, your answers and patience are appreciated. Now, is there any way of showing some love for the unsung noob lurkers who try our hardest not to add to the weight on your weary shoulders? :huh:

Regards, and thank you for even being here with the grain for me to sort.

[thefunk]

quick 2 cents from me - brand new to the world of boxing, keyclone instructions were dead easy, have started to experiment on macros and there's a huge amount of information which I will be trying out once my wife give me 5 mins...

keep up the good work!

jenb..treil..steave... Nagrand

oh and Katannah I know your post is ages old, but for anyone else with this problem and who doesn't know it, you can just copy and paste the wow folder to another location without having to reinstall it - might save you a day or 7 ;)

[Dethmetaldan]

Awesome Post, but do you think people know how to read? No.I do first time here first time dual boxing and no one had to help besides the info on this site. Once again GREAT JOB ALL!

Kudos and cheers!

[Talonluck]

Hi All,

New to the site. Just started my 2 toons 1 box experimentation yesterday. Definitely a great bunch of resources here and I hope to take full advantage. Hope you all don't mind another newcomer!

-Talonluck
Velen server

[Renegade666]

I am new to your nice site.

I read this plea to all new-comers.

I followed the first link about how to formulate a question.

I read and digested it.

I followed the second link about 'Guides'

It was full of broken links.....

[thinus]

I am new to your nice site.

I read this plea to all new-comers.

I followed the first link about how to formulate a question.

I read and digested it.

I followed the second link about 'Guides'

It was full of broken links.....

The "Guides" link is to a Wiki page about Vyndree's Guide to Guides. The Wiki links are to sub-sections in Vyndree's guide which I suppose got broken over time and I suppose the Wiki should be updated. You still get access to all those links by just going to the "Vyndree's Guide to Guides" link on the Wiki page and scrolling down.

[Khatovar]

They've been working on converting the Wiki, so old post links are probably broken in a lot of places. Like thinus says, going directly to the Wiki will get you to the right places while things are in limbo.

[pdx]

taking the advice but it's not there

[keyclone]

taking the advice but it's not therea bit more would help to address the issue.

which advice and what's not where?

[Sychosys]

I think he is likely refering to some of the vboxing.net links that are outdated and need to be redirected to the weboxing URL now. Some have redirects some do not... usually the v-boxing ones are the ones that are broken.

[TrasZadAr]

Heya all, new to dual boxing, google redirected me to this forum, where i found answers to all my questions. All very helpful guides!

Thanks.

Agen & Torange

[Otlecs]

Updated the links to reflect the new forum layout. Hopefully people will actually use them.

[Dramoth]

This is my second post on here (I think)...

I would like to say that it's a good post to see...

But after mucking about originally with dual-boxing, then tri-boxing and now moving right up to 5 man team, I am slowly working out the macro's keybindings thing myself, but for someone who wants to just jump straight in there and kill everything in site they will find the more technical side of things a bit of an issue.

They will expect to search for a particular macro and find it straight away and be able to cut and paste it into their macro windows and run out and play.

They expect there to be a full help guide if needs be that will hold their hands all the way through the long process of setting up their teams.

In the end, it's a constant learning process for all involved, and I think that also includes the more experienced boxers, and if someone expects to get a golden ticket to loads of awesome and win on their very first visit, they will end up going away disappointed...

But hopefully they will realise that it is a lot of hard work getting everything setup and that in the end... all that hard work is well worth it.

[Gadzooks]

This is my second post on here (I think)...

I would like to say that it's a good post to see...

But after mucking about originally with dual-boxing, then tri-boxing and now moving right up to 5 man team, I am slowly working out the macro's keybindings thing myself, but for someone who wants to just jump straight in there and kill everything in site they will find the more technical side of things a bit of an issue.

They will expect to search for a particular macro and find it straight away and be able to cut and paste it into their macro windows and run out and play.

They expect there to be a full help guide if needs be that will hold their hands all the way through the long process of setting up their teams.

In the end, it's a constant learning process for all involved, and I think that also includes the more experienced boxers, and if someone expects to get a golden ticket to loads of awesome and win on their very first visit, they will end up going away disappointed...

But hopefully they will realise that it is a lot of hard work getting everything setup and that in the end... all that hard work is well worth it.

It doesn't help that a certain person who's banned here, who sells a multiboxing app, runs around telling everyone how easy it all is, and makes grandiose claims of how everything they (a new MBer) will need will be on their forums...and that place is a ghost town, so yeah, some of them probably come here looking for help.

It's also a reflection of the general WoW population now, too. A small amount of people put a ton of work into blogs and websites breaking every aspect of the game down, so most players just plug and play their whole way to end game. That attitude will not work with MBing. A lot of players expect to be walked through everything in the game, thanks to sites like wow.com and MMO champion and such - and then they complain when told to go to Elitist Jerks, because they actually have to read stuff there (they don't hold your hand, either).

This website is a MASSIVE boon to MBers, and I would not be doing it right now, if it were'nt for the sheer wealth of information that's contained here. Walking people through it step by step would only encourage the kind of people who should'nt be MBing - to MB, you need to have an interest in learning how macros work, learning more than one class, and trying things again and again to make it work, constantly tweaking and paying attention to recount and hogging the test dummies trying out rotations. That's why I agree with the policy here that it's each player's job to dig into the material, start reading, read more, play and try it, read more, try it again, and then ask questions.

[Dramoth]

It doesn't help that a certain person who's banned here, who sells a multiboxing app, runs around telling everyone how easy it all is, and makes grandiose claims of how everything they (a new MBer) will need will be on their forums...and that place is a ghost town, so yeah, some of them probably come here looking for help.

It's also a reflection of the general WoW population now, too. A small amount of people put a ton of work into blogs and websites breaking every aspect of the game down, so most players just plug and play their whole way to end game. That attitude will not work with MBing. A lot of players expect to be walked through everything in the game, thanks to sites like wow.com and MMO champion and such - and then they complain when told to go to Elitist Jerks, because they actually have to read stuff there (they don't hold your hand, either).

This website is a MASSIVE boon to MBers, and I would not be doing it right now, if it were'nt for the sheer wealth of information that's contained here. Walking people through it step by step would only encourage the kind of people who should'nt be MBing - to MB, you need to have an interest in learning how macros work, learning more than one class, and trying things again and again to make it work, constantly tweaking and paying attention to recount and hogging the test dummies trying out rotations. That's why I agree with the policy here that it's each player's job to dig into the material, start reading, read more, play and try it, read more, try it again, and then ask questions.

I am not disputing that you should learn all about the thing that you are trying to do and I personally feel that this site is an awesome resource for someone like myself who dabbled in dual-boxing before moving up to a 5 man team. The beginner guides are just that... a guide to get you started on the path, where you go after them is entirely upto you.

And personally, I love going to elitistjerks.com as it helped me with my hunter's dps rotation no end... still isnt the greatest in the world, but hit over 4k dps with a mid-game geared BM hunter :) I have always loved doing the research into making my toons better... be it going to sites like wow-heroes.com or be.imba.hu or maxdps.com to work out how to get better.

[Ualaa]

There are plenty of basic guides out there, which will get you started.
But really, all they're doing is opening the door.
You still need to walk through it.

You come to a path.
As you walk down the path, there are various forks.
Each fork is a different way to do things.
Depending on the challenge of what you want something to do, and your solution to getting it to work.

Some things one player will want to do, but another player does not need that functionality in their set up.
Chances are, if there are three boxers with one issue, there will be three solutions.
Something really cool about this site, most people who find something neat post it here for others benefits.
That helps the community as a whole, which is a very nice bonus.

If people are willing to put in some effort and search for an answer themselves, they generally get much better responses then asking for everyone to do everything for them.

[Twy]

I agree however I have been reading Dual-Boxer for some time now and the first time I try to relpy to a post it says I am blocked. Now I have to make up 5 comments or questions I had no intention of botherinig you with before I can make the reply to the post i was intending to. i think this makes number 5 so I think its all good now.

Thanks for having the this community I have learned a ton reading through this stuff.

;)

[dlthehunter]

ditto :-)

[Eremite]

Hello Everybody!
I am working hard to be a quinboxer. I have tried a few options, but I am goning to go on the hard way. Currently building and buying the parts of the five workstations... I'm from Hungary, age 29 male.
Anywayz, I just wanted to introduce myself and say hi http://www.dual-boxing.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

[barney]

thank you, this thread helped me a lot

[Yopie Ismypie]

Great post

[Scorpionking]

Thanks Otlecs for this round up.

Just a Long time reader, know I have my own nick ;) (I'm not that kind of forum and discuss guy, through tiping and all that stuff ^^)
Coming back to Multi-Boxing, no that I got the time for it, just came to lvl ~40 with my team, starting a new one soon.

Greetings from Ger.

[Littleburst]

I love the offsite search function :D

[Kalbo]

been boxing from the start of WotLK but quit about 3 months ago.... now i feel like boxing EVE... this site still a great place for info... thanks guys

[Airsoftmatt101]

Hey all i just finished reading all 7 pages and i have to say i think im gonna like this site. I'm probably one of many who has come to hate how most things in WoW are now cookjie cutter and i actualy enjoy doing my own theory crafting/research to improve my toons(also love playing all the different classes).
basicly just wanna introduce myself and say thanks for all your hard work and dedication(stickies ftw!)

-edit spelling

[Zub]

I read all of it, and have yet to post a question, bc I do tend to search for my answers (and have usually found them) before asking here.
I've been dual boxing a warrior - hunter combo, and I'm at lvl 52 already, but plaguelands is really tough without a way to heal http://www.dual-boxing.com/images/smilies/frown.gif
Tank with the pet, dps with the warrior, heal with the hunter :-)

[Javlin]

Hi guys I tried to get some information from this link

Video - how to set up your very first WoW team (http://www.wemultibox.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74) <- Absolutely mandatory reading if you're completely new to boxing!!!

and it just goes to a search page. I had a look at a few links and none seemed to be helpful.

If anyone could post the link to the video that would be great.

Cheers
Javlin

[Tankette]

I've spent some time but I haven't really found any clues to my question: Should I Multibox? (probably not more than dual)

Here's what I am thinking of doing: Leveling 2 characters simultaneously from 80-85. My main is a Disc/Holy Priest but I'm pretty sure I'll level as Shadow. I have a second Priest that is almost identical. It is a long story how I ended up with 2 Priests but it has worked out well to have a second set of raid IDs. I also have an 80 Warrior that was my main back in BC. I'm really only practiced playing Protection. And I have a 80 DK that I could run.

My first preference would be to use the second Priest. However, if using either the Warrior or DK would speed up the leveling then that would be a big consideration. I would imagine running 2 identical Priests would be the easiest combo in terms of ease of multiboxing as well as speed.

I have the computer hardware to easily handle dual boxing. I have never tried it however. I run multiple accounts sometimes by alt tabbing (I imagine that made some people cringe) but that is obviously not the same.

So what it boils down to is:

1. Can you level 2 toons at once by multiboxing faster than you could level 1 toon running solo?
2. If not, how much extra time would it take? 10% longer? 50% longer?
3. With Cataclysm approaching in about 6 weeks, do I have enough time to learn to dual box efficiently enough to be able to meet the answers to 1 and 2? Again I am assuming running 2 identical Priests would have a big impact on this.

Many thanks to those that offer opinions or guidance!

[Ualaa]

Q: Should you Multibox?
A: If you think it might be a fun option...


1. Two toons will not level faster then one toon. It will be faster to level two toons together, then to level one after the other, because you get shared credit for kills and some collections, but most collections are one toon and then the other toon. And doing collections twice, is definitely slower then doing them once. Similarly, doing kills (or collections where everything drops once, ie both toons level together) is faster then doing them once with one toon, and then another time with a second toon.

2. Not sure in terms of percentage. Kill quests and collections where everyone gets to loot, is a bit faster for two toons then one, as respawn time is tied to the number of toons in an area, so respawns will be quicker. Also, you kill quite a bit faster with two then with one. And with Assist the Active Toon (with the Follower/Slave) combined with Interact With Target, the slave looting is not much of a slow-down. But collections where only one toon gets to loot, will take twice as long.

3. Boxing is pretty basic, at its simplest. You'll have some method for the slave to follow the master/lead toon. And some method for them to cast at the active toon's target. Not that hard to learn in a day or two. Depending how complex you want things to be, it can take a quite a bit longer to have your software/macros tweaked. Two of the same, is marginally easier then two different classes, for PvE play; for PvP play, the more androgynous the set up, the closer you'll be able to play at close to optimal levels.

[Tankette]

TYVM! Thats exactly what I needed to know. I think I will solo level my main since I want to hit 85 and the new raids ASAP. I may dual box the next two toons to 85 though. I won't be in such a rush so it should be fun.

[AtroCty]

Will the list get an update soon? :/

[Ualaa]

Not sure on that.
Doesn't hurt to post a question, particularly if you search for an answer first and either cannot find one or find it unclear.

If you want something specific, using Google and adding +site:dual-boxing.com +whatever is a good option.

[ratherstrange]

well im new here and i just wanna say that i am a terrible boxxer.but im trying to figure how to assist 1 toon to the other in a simple way.i am compleatly new to boxxing so can anyone help me out?

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------1 undergeared rouge 1 under talented hunter=best
madoran human alliance
FOR DA WARGEN!

[Ualaa]

Have one focus key for each member of your team.

If you are three boxing, every toon will have three focus macros.

Every toon will Focus Toon A, on the same keybind.
Something like:
/Focus [Target=ToonA]

Do the same, so everyone can focus any toon.
And so that everyone has the same toon focused, on the same keybind.

Put your focus macro (warcraft macro) on the same keybind as your software uses for window swaps.



Then your follow will be:
/Follow [Target=Focus]

DPS will be:
/Cast [Target=FocusTarget] Whatever
/Castsequence [Target=FocusTarget] First, Second, Third, Fourth, Etc

Heals can be:
/Cast [Help,Target=FocusTarget][Help,Target=FocusTargetTarget] HealingSpell

You can abbreviate Target= with @ in a macro.
[Target=FocusTarget] is the same as [@FocusTarget]
Capitalization is optional, and in the examples purely for readability.



I'd recommend IS Boxer, for boxing.
It does all the assist stuff for you.

[Kraftwerk]

Hello all! Thanks for the friendly post for us noobs!

[alcattle]

Hello all! Thanks for the friendly post for us noobs!
We are started some where. I was the biggest newb when I started, but the people here are great. Do some research, ask when stumped and give back what you learn. Simple huh?

[Krotar]

I shall try to remember all of it :p.

[Mickthathick]

Shadow priests make excellent slaves as they are easy to make a single /castsequence macro for, can shield you master toons (such as your warrior), has no range restrictions like a hunter and can put out heals when shit gets bad.

I'm raffing a worgen warrior/priest and it's pretty easy. I've also done mage/spriest which is very both fun and easy.

[Sophie Hart]

Where are the descriptions to the topics in here??

[Kruu]

The link to the video in OP is dead. Anyone have a working link?

[genghiskhan]

will do :)

[Gavn]

I wish the links worked!

[Randy Schultz]

Hello, I am really new to this stuff. I am trying to figure out a way to get my LOTRO accounts on at the same time using only one keyboard and mouse for 2-4 accounts. I can run both on my computer in window mode but have to switch between for looting and I can only use one at a time. I see this is mostly for WOW but if there is a way to get it to work for LOTRO I would love to know how. I see people do it in game but no one will give up info on how they do it. Please help is possible...

Randy

[Randy Schultz]

I have also been reading on the forums that macro's are used for almost everything. Is there any way to use them in LOTRO?

[Khatovar]

Did you look at the Lord of the Rings Online section (http://www.dual-boxing.com/forumdisplay.php?f=34)?