Lots of anti boxing grief in WSG and AB

[Zenthor]

My Priest + Lock x4 hit 70 last week and we have started to do BG's. I have noticed that outside WSG and AB...almost all anti DB comments have stopped. But in WSG and AB....it is horrible. What their beef seems to be is that 5 players take 1/2 the team...and can only be in one place. We rarely are not the top in HK's, but that is not of interest to them. Not sure how I should react...I have tried doing different things in these two BG's such as flag, or defense, but nothing we do can stop the complaining. In the others EoS, AV...we are more or less accepted, just an occational anti DB remark. Anyone else feel they get the most grief in these 2 BG's?

[magwo]

Yes. Traditionally, multiboxing shaman do not perform nearly as well in WSG and AB as they do in EOTS and AV. This might be the root of this attitude.

[merujo]

since the thread starter is talking about 1priest+4 locks in wsg and ab... well...its about multiboxing in the end. any multiboxed team will be hated in wsg and ab for obvious reasons. but in eots if ur team has brains, it can be different. as for av...well...its a paradise to me :P

[magwo]

I was thinking that priest+warlocks might perform much better in WSG and AB than elemental shaman do.
Personally, I still have a lot of problem playing WSG and AB well, and I'm ~350 resilience and ~940 spell damage.

[zanthor]

In my VAST experience in pvp with my 4x shaman (2 AB's) I haven't had any problems.

The first one was a good solid 20 minute battle for nodes, I held the mill alone, 5 levels below the alliance players, without any problem. The few times they made a concerted push I was able to fend them off and they quickly decided it wasn't worth their trouble to try and snag it. I also was welcomed by the other players, I'm not sure they realized what was going on at first but in short order they were cheering about how much ass we were kicking...

The second was a pretty absurd 5 cap. I had leveled to 59 at this point and we took 4 right off the bat, the 5th was an easy push and then we kept them pinned down in their graveyard... again, no one badmouthed me... Hopefully this trend continues, I enjoyed the BG's and really look forward to 70 for that reason.

[Naysayer]

I just tell them that I'll play defense in wsg and for everyone else to go on offense. If they don't want to listen I try and get them to go ten up ten down. If they still don't want to listen, I just go have fun and ignore what they say since they are just bad players in general that most likely don't ever cooperate with their teams and lose all the time.

[Care]

That's because you are horde probably

[mlwhitt]

I have yet to run any of my 4 and 5 toon teams through a BG. I can say that I have done pretty well with 2 and 3 toon teams. That being said I avoid WSG and AB like the plague. Honestly while I do not believe there is anything wrong with us running our teams through BGs, I do feel a bit against doing so in WSG. The teams are so small to begin with. I guess my main reasoning is the very fact like we say defending our hobby (5 toons controlled by 1 person isn't = 5 people controlling 5 toons). For this reason I feel that in WSG that we can hurt the other 5 players. I agree that technically a 4 / 5 toon team are great flag defense. The problem I see is where in AB and EotS you are are only take up 1/3 of the slots for your team, a 5 toon multibox group in WSG you are technically taking up 50% of the slots. I just don't feel right doing so. Because like we say to defend against the "QQ OMG one person is as powerful at 5 people", a 5 boxer thought powerful with Focus Fire is still no where as powerful as 5 individuals working together.

I hope this doesn't sound like a anti-MB reply because it isn't meant to be such. And in AV and EoTS I believe that Multiboxers are a great contributor to winning matches, but in WSG I just feel that honestly it in a way isn't fair for a 5 boxer to take up 1/2 of the team makeup while only providing say 75-80% of the ability. Hope that makes sense.

[Kiljaedon]

Pfft boxing in a pug group I would just follow what the veteran boxers say and just turn off the chat channel. Most of them go off to their own direction to farm kills for honor and dont really plan to try to win to begin with. They just have a easily spotted scape goat whenever a box team appears. If the idiots are losing with 9 other brainless players then whats the deal with you being half the team. No deal and do not feel dirty about it. Its business as usual for us. Go inside the bg's and collect your honor and gear and leave simple as that. They only care about their own goals as much as you do so nothing lost and everything gained to ignore them.

[magwo]

The problem though, is that boxers are forced into a lot of WSG/AB to get marks for their pvp gear.

[Kicksome]

Get used to people getting pissed at you in WSG and AB. WSG you're at a big disadvantage because 1 rogue, warlock or mage can basically keep 1/2 the team locked down. The map is very small - so people can keep respawning and run to you to repeat. Best bet is to just keep playing and ignore them. Eots you can rock if you're decent and AV you can own the place.

[JezPeRR]

Yea.... enough said!

Flaming is something we must get used to when boxing, but that is one of the reasons i like to be in premade BG's with my IRL friends.

But i have a funny story that happened a week ago in AB, we lost but that is not what the story is about....
i am playing 4 allience shammans and was defending LM, with the 4 other bases capped to horde and the the other 11 ppl. trying to do
what they can to win, but among them was one whiner that said something like this when hordes resources reached over 1800.

"At least u did not bring 5 shamans to help us loose, wanker"

the morale here is, even when u are doing your job the best u can, u still get flamed.
- how can he flame me when my job was t hold LM, i mean WTF!!?..... count to 10

[HTeam]

When you fill up half the raid in WSG, you don't allow for a lot of variety among the other 5. With a random 10, you have a good shot at getting a druid, paladin, warrior, rogue, etc.. A good class diversity really helps in WSG for running the flag. From this assembly you might pick the 5 (or so) that go offense. By taking up 5 slots, you force the other 5 to be offense regardless of how well suited they are.

In WSG, you're also very inflexible. Let's say your flag carrier is nearing your tunnel while you're on defense. You can't very well send a healer and dps down the tunnel for escort while stopping someone else from sneaking off with the flag. At least not as well as 5 individuals can.

In WSG, you simply can't split your group and react quickly to the changing environment. You can't split your group to kill the flag carrier and kill the one guy chasing your near dead runner at the same time, for instance.

Of course, you at least are going to have a well executed bad plan, which is better than 90% of the players and their poorly executed bad plans.


For a full group of 5, defending one node isn't really enough. Defense should be about 3 people, with 2 able to move to another node to repel large attacks. A team that defends 3 nodes with 5, 5 and 5 will get wiped by an incoming 11 at one of those. If you're steamrolling nodes and moving beyond 3, then you're probably doing a good enough job as a 5 man in AB.

For marks, I plan on dual boxing pairs of warlocks in these two bg's.

[Xar]

I decided until Blizzard bans taking multiboxing groups into any BG, I'll just keep taking my 5 into any BG I damn well wish and ignore the BS. Blizzard makes us get particular marks for gear and I'm not running each one through a BG one at a time. The truth is most of the WSG & AB BG's suck anyway if you're not in a premade. I was in on my single priest last week and it was even worse than when I was in on my 5 shaman.

[SaltyPoison]

In my humble opinion....

Step 1: Open chat options
Step 2: Uncheck Battleground Chat
Step 3: ????
Step 4: Profit

I like to goof around in the 19 twink brackets with different combinations of groups and just get tired of the whiny people. I find the experience much more fun if you just turn of BG chat or run with guildies.

[entoptic]

in AB and WSG I have to shut off /bg chat.

If we win its cause of me, if we lose its cause of me.

My strat for AB and WSG

AB
I just run from node to node taking it and wiping out the other side at the flag, once the flag turns grey I mount up and move to the next.

WSG
I camp their GY and tell the noobs to kill people. Seems to work well. Imagine 5 guys spawning at their GY and seeing 5 fire eles with 5 shamans ready to roll.

[Suvega]

in wsg or AB, you will be either the savior or the downfall of the team.

you are 33-50% of the team by your self, and your actions will have a direct relationship to the win / loss of the game.
When you f'up you will be blamed 5* as such
when you win they will be "meh" towards you.

Turn off BG chat and just enjoy the game.