Focusless, targetless, 'leaderless' (FTL) setup. [Archive] - Page 2

rebjorn

10-21-2008, 08:49 AM

Great stuff! I'm slowly starting to get the idea... at first I was like MOO what, how, why, where? Now I'm starting to understand the concept.. but the technicalities are a bit too much for me right now. I've got a problem, hoping for some assistance. I'm 3-boxing hunters and I figured I'd try and adapt the 5-toon setup I saw in the OP.

See when setting up KEY in KEYMAP EDITOR, my keyboard just won't let me hit ALT+SHIFT - it becomes SHIFT+ALT instead. As such (I think) I had to set stuff up differently and this is what I'm doing with my first setup, Steady Shot:

Winterscorn
1 Steady1
LCTRL+SEMICOLON Steady2
LSHIFT+LALT+SEMICOLON Steady3

Arozshara
LALT+SEMICOLON Steady1
1 Steady2
LSHIFT+LALT+SEMICOLON Steady3

Tereis
LALT+SEMICOLON Steady1
LSHIFT+LALT+SEMICOLON Steady2
1 Steady3

My problem is thus that this macro:

/target [mod:ctrl,mod:shift,nomod:alt,target=Winterscorn]
[mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=Arozshara]
[mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl,target=Tereis]
/cast [target=targettarget, steady shot
/targetlasttarget

.. which of course is my attempt to alter this macro, as seen in the OP to be configured for 3-boxing;

/target [mod:ctrl,mod:shift,nomod:alt,target=ToonA]
[mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=ToonB]
[mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl,target=ToonC]
[mod:ctrl,mod:alt,mod:shift,target=ToonD]
[mod:ctrl,nomod:alt,nomod:shift,target=ToonE]
/cast [target=targettarget,harm] Lightning Bolt
/targetlasttarget

.. just don't 'fit in' with the changes I did. And I've been sitting here for a good while now trying to figure that one out. I just don't know what to do here.
Also, even if I knew how to change that macro, can I even do this? 'Just adapt' the 5-toon setup to a 3-toon setup? Please also point out to me any obvious mistakes I'm doing. Still haven't been able to fire off a single Steady Shot so I dunno if stuff is working at all. I figure I've made it this far (or not) and hopefully I'll be able to get there in the end. Willing to spend a lot of time getting this to work right, but I'm not ashamed to say I'll need some help here ;P

Heck, I don't even know if I made my post understandable or not :]

olipcs

10-21-2008, 09:59 AM

ok, i try to talk you through it...

..of course you can adapt the setup for only three toons.

1. Define a modifier order
if you want to setup the ftl, the first thing you should do is set a modifier order to identifiy your toons.
You can use for example:

Winterscorn = ALT
Arozshara = CTRL
Tereis = ALT + CTRL

2. Create Keybindings
You wanted to use 1 as the 'master-key' and ';' as the 'slave-key' so you set up the following keymaps in keyclone:

Keymap for Winterscorn:
1 --> W.Steady
CRTL + ; --> A.Steady
ALT +CTRL + ; --> T.Steady

Keymap for Arozshara:
ALT + ; --> W.Steady
1 --> A.Steady
ALT +CTRL + ; --> T.Steady

Keymap for Tereis:
ALT + ; --> W.Steady
CTRL + ; --> A.Steady
1 --> T.Steady

save them all in seperate keymaps and load the corresponding one for each toon with a keyclone command.

btw.: if it is 'alt + ctrl' or 'ctrl + alt' is irrelevant.

3. Create Macros and bindings in WoW

Bind the following macro for firing steadyshot on ';' on all of the three toons and make sure no other combination of ; is bound to another function/button:

/target [mod:ctrl,nomod:shift,nomod:alt,target=Winterscorn]
[mod:ctrl,nomod:alt,nomod:shift,target=Arozshara]
[mod:alt,nomod:shift,mod:ctrl,target=Tereis]
/cast [target=targettarget] steady shot
/targetlasttarget

(with the /target as one line)

4. enjoy (and create other bindings for follow and so on...)

hope this could help, for a overview you might also look at the wiki..

rebjorn

10-21-2008, 01:20 PM

Thanks for taking the time. I did exactly what you said and it's not working. Been double, triple, quadruple checking that everything is set up right.
Guess I'll just stick to my old commenting out /assist and /follow lines method in my macros.

Edit: I'm on a mission to do more of what I have atm and I guess I might as well not overcomplicate things for now. So it's all good.

echo

10-21-2008, 01:24 PM

Hi all,

to those who are knowledgeable, does the game care if i bind using right control or left control in the keymap? reason for my asking is i'm trying to refrain from using "shift" as part of my modifiers for the hotstrings, so that i dont cut myself off from the possibility of using shift as a modifier in macros. to that effect, i'm also only using the right control/alt vs the left one. I know that keyclone makes a distinction between the two because i'm using

nomod for all for toon 1
rctrl for toon 2
ralt for toon 3
rctrl + ralt for toon 4
and rctrl + lalt for toon 5

and keyclone sees toon 4 and 5 as a different combination. but will the game itself be confused by my setup for my toon 4 and toon 5? i'm having some issues with my setup because i'm using zorbathegeek's setup for using /click actionbutton so as to be able to easily sub in different characters for my teams, and my setup is as follows:

slave assist (action button 36)
/target [nomod:rctrl,nomod:ralt,target=wynterz][mod:rctrl,nomod:ralt,target=summerz][mod:ralt,nomod:rctrl,target=autumnz][mod:rctrl,mod:ralt,target=springz]

and the below is one of the nuking macros, which work generally well

#showtooltip starfire
/click macaroonbutton36
/cast [target=targettarget, harm] starfire
/targetlasttarget

however, my slave follow macro is completely broken. if i'm on toon1 (wynterz) all will follow her, but if i'm on any other alts, each of the rest of the team will follow a different team member, or else not follow anyone at all.

/click macaroonbutton36
/follow
/targetlasttarget

I thought it might be an issue with my keymaps, so i simply dragged the slave follow macro to where the nuking macro (the one that works) was at. theoretically, it's the same macro, only replacing the /cast line with /follow. and now in the same slot that is linked correctly because i was just nuking perfectly. but for whatever reason, when i click the same button, which works fine when it had the slave nuke macro on it, will now not work if it has the slave follow macro on it.

i've spent the last 2 days playing around with different settings, and redoing the keymaps 3 times because i thought it was human error on my part, but i pretty much eliminated that possibility. so i'm at a loss now. can anyone please help me? thanks much. :)

**************UPDATE*********************
Instead of the slave follow macro calling on the assist macro via /click macaroonbutton36, i replaced the slave macro with the following

/target [nomod:rctrl,nomod:ralt,target=wynterz][mod:rctrl,nomod:ralt,target=summerz][mod:ralt,nomod:rctrl,target=autumnz][mod:rctrl,mod:ralt,target=springz]
/follow
/targetlasttarget

and now it works just fine.

same keybinds, same keymap. so apparently all else being identical, the /click actionbutton method works fine for /cast, but not for /follow. any idea why this would be? :?:

algol

10-21-2008, 03:37 PM

I would just like to state for the record:

COMMAND FALLTHROUGH SUCKS!

Anyway...I think I got it working. Just had to unbind everything from Ctrl+key, Alt+key, and Shift+key. Because somehow CTRL+Shift+key maps to CTRL+key or whichever exists and make the macros die. O_o

delafoo

10-21-2008, 04:09 PM

Frosty

10-21-2008, 09:25 PM

I think I'm seeing a slight pattern here.

Make sure all the keys you are using as keymaps/hoststrings are unbound from the game.
If something in the game is using one of your keymaps, it's going to fail.

For example, if you use the method from the first page:

2 --> LBAT
Ctrl-alt-] --> LBBT
Alt-Shift-] --> LBCT
Ctrl-Alt-Shift-] --> LBDT
Ctrl-] --> LBET

make sure Ctrl-alt-], Alt-Shift-], Ctrl-Alt-Shift and Ctrl-] are all unbound. Do this for ALL keymaps. (note - do not unbind "2" as that is your activation key here)
The easiest way to unbind them is put them all on your action bar, then delete them from the action bar. (keybinds)

Then, also, make sure you haven't added these in some way to the Do-Not-Pass list. ;)

olipcs

10-21-2008, 09:34 PM

the /click actionbutton method works fine for /cast, but not for /follow. any idea why this would be? :?:Yes, its because i think you bound an /assist to your macaroonbutton36 like:

/assist
[mod:ctrl,mod:shift,nomod:alt]ToonA;
[mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift]ToonB;
[mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl]ToonC;
[mod:ctrl,mod:alt,mod:shift]ToonD;

and called follow with:

/click macaroonbutton36
/follow
/targetlasttarget

what this does is the command:

/assist
[mod:ctrl,mod:shift,nomod:alt]ToonA;
[mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift]ToonB;
[mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl]ToonC;
[mod:ctrl,mod:alt,mod:shift]ToonD
/follow
/targetlasttarget

which trys to assist your Leader instead of simply target him. And thats why it doesn't work...

olipcs

10-21-2008, 09:40 PM

I've tried this a few times now to no avail.

I've set it up exactly as the OPs example shows for a 5 shammy team, Lightning Bolt bound to 2, with the hidden macro bound to I on all toons, with the macro provided on all toons (bound to I), and I get nothing when I hit 2 other than the lightning bolt only on the toon I'm casting with. My hostrings are exact as well. Suggestions? 4th time is a charm I suppose (tomorrow Night).

Thanks.As Frosty mentioned, I would also suggest to check if all combinations of your 'slave-key' are unbound and only the slave key itself is bound to the button with the macro.

To simply check if all get the response you might want to bind a simple '/say OK' to the slave-key on all toons, to see if the keybinding without any modifiers work... ..if this is the case, expand the '/say'-macro to the corresponding modifier-combination you used and try that for all diffrent leaders.
(For example use a macro which is build like this:

/target [mod:ctrl,mod:shift,nomod:alt,target=ToonA][mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=ToonB][mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl,target=ToonC][mod:ctrl,mod:alt,mod:shift,target=ToonD][mod:ctrl,nomod:alt,nomod:shift,target=ToonE]
/say %t is leading

..with the modifier combination you used and your toons name)
If this works out and the toons change their Target corresponding to your 'active' window than you have done the hotstrings and keybinding correct and the problem must be in the macro you are using...

olipcs

10-21-2008, 09:41 PM

..I updated the Wiki ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/wiki/index.php/Focusless_Targetless_Leaderless_Setup') with a little Troubleshooting ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/wiki/index.php/Focusless_Targetless_Leaderless_Setup#Troubleshoot ing') section, which I (or anybody who want to contribute) planning to expand a little more in the comming days...

Minirogue

10-21-2008, 10:07 PM

ok how would some1 who so far know how to macro /follow /assist and /cast go about setting up this system on 2 characters
just minuse lines or will there b conflict

olipcs

10-21-2008, 10:19 PM

No, simply you could only minus the lines of ToonC - ToonE lines.
If i we're you i would also change the modifier combination which identifies my toons, so to give a quick walkthroug:

1. Modifier Combination:
ALT + CTRL = ToonA
SHIFT + CTRL = ToonB

2. General keymaps:
ToonA:
'master-key' --> command.ToonA
SHIFT + CTRL + 'slave-key' --> command.ToonB

ToonB:
ALT + CTRL + 'slave-key' --> ToonA
'master-key' --> ToonB

3.Macros
- unbind all combinations of 'slave-key', an bind the simple 'slave-key' to a button
- bind macros like this to your button:

/assist [mod:alt,mod:ctrl,nomod:shift]ToonA;[nomod:alt,mod:ctrl,mod:shift]ToonB
/cast ...

or for follow

/target [mod:alt,mod:ctrl,nomod:shift,target=ToonA][nomod:alt,mod:ctrl,mod:shift,target=ToonB]
/follow
/targetlasttarget

4. enjoy ;)

Minirogue

10-21-2008, 10:44 PM

ok next stupid question from me
with this....

1. Modifier Combination:

ALT + CTRL = ToonA

SHIFT + CTRL = ToonB

2. General keymaps:

ToonA:

'master-key' --> command.ToonA

SHIFT + CTRL + 'slave-key' --> command.ToonB

ToonB:

ALT + CTRL + 'slave-key' --> ToonA

'master-key' --> ToonB

wat part of keyclone do i do all this
tryed to set them, in the keymap editor but wouldnt respond

olipcs

10-21-2008, 10:55 PM

the second part, you do in keyclone in the keymap editor.

Say you want to setup '1' as your master key and 'u' as your slave key to cast a Lightning Bolt.
You would create the following keybinds:

For ToonA:
1 --> LB.A
SHIFT + CTRL + u --> LB.B

and save them in a seperate keymap (f.e. toona.kcl)

ToonB:
ALT + CTRL + u --> LB.A
1 --> LB.B

and save them in toonb.kcl

After creating the two keymaps, go in the command editor of keyclone and add in the commands you use to start up the different wows, the corresponding keymap of each toon to the corresponding command.

A quite good tutorial on keymapping (but not related to the ftl) from Araketh can be found here: What exactly are hotstrings for? ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&postID=110244#post110244')

jeffz0rz

10-22-2008, 12:30 AM

I finally got this working. Took me 3 days of trying to figure out how to implement it, but it was DEFINITELY worth the time invested, makes boxing so much better.
Thanks to everyone who contributed to this!

Anemo

10-22-2008, 01:25 AM

I'm looking at setting this up but what keys do most people use as the invisible macro keys? Using letters like 'i' seem to be the safest but does this impact on you soloing at all if you don't use those keys for any other function? I assume typing would still work fine.

I've had a look at the available keys and there doesn't appear to be that many without all the modifier possibilities.

olipcs

10-22-2008, 01:36 AM

honestly, i can't realy tell, because in my approach i use the same key for master and slave, so its normaly something accessible like 1-9 and so on...
..but if i would use hidden keys, they would be mostly keys on the right side of my keyboard, as i don't use them for normal gameplay (like i,o,p,j,k,l,n,m...).
As Typing is concerned: When i have to chat i normaly (if i don't forget) stop keyclone from broadcasting, if i want to type a command to all my toons I also use the corresponding function in keyclone, so there would not be an issiue, i think.

Poetry

10-22-2008, 02:06 AM

one quick question for those who seem to use the '/click actionbutton' method.

Does it work for you, and had you any problems?

-I'm asking, cause some users seemed to have problems with it.

I did finally get my /click to work. I had set up the key map for various modifiers on the [ key but then put my macro on the 7 key...gee, wonder why it didn't work? lol

Anyway, I thought I'd reply to this because as of the 3.0.2 patch, it stopped working. Well, to be more specific, it stopped working for 4 out of 5 toons, and only their assist stopped working...follow was just fine! Testing with "/say test" in my macro, it seemed that the key press just wasn't going through at all to the non-working toons. I re-examined macros and keybinds and keymaps for hours and couldn't find an issue anywhere! But it looks like server downtime can sometimes do a person good! In the back of my mind I kept thinking it was acting as if I had something bound to something else. But I'd checked keybinds over and over and even tried rebinding some keys just in case with no luck. Anyway, long story short, it looks like I actually have some phantom keybinds leftover from old mods I'd dropped with this patch. BT4 and Bindpad in particular. The mods are gone, the wtf files for them are gone, but the keybinds look like they have persisted in the bindings-cache.wtf file. Checking it a few minutes ago, I still have lines like "bind CTRL-SHIFT-7 CLICK BindPadMacro9:" in there. So I think I've found what's intercepting my key presses. Can't wait for the server to come back up to test.

Anyway, for anyone who is sure they've got it all right but it's still not working, might be worth looking for invisible keybinds. I'm sure lots of people changed bar mods and such with the 3.0.2 patch and it would seem that that can lead to some keybinding scrambles that might not show up in the Blizzard keybind ui. It's a theory anyway.

echo

10-22-2008, 02:59 AM

To OLIPCS:

Hi Oli, thank you for your help, but my setup is like this

my cast macro is

#showtooltip starfire
/click macaroonbutton36
/cast [target=targettarget, harm] starfire
/targetlasttarget

and my follow macro was

/click macaroonbutton36
/follow
/targetlasttarget

so basically identical except for the /follow versus /cast line.
both are referencing my assist macro (which is on button 36), and it's this

/target [nomod:rctrl,nomod:ralt,target=wynterz][mod:rctrl,nomod:ralt,target=summerz][mod:ralt,nomod:rctrl,target=autumnz][mod:rctrl,mod:ralt,target=springz]

so there's no /assist line in there anywhere. yet the cast macro works fine, but the follow macro does not? i checked all keybinds multiple times because i thought it was a matter of me overlooking a previously bound key, but i'm sure that's not the case after checking the entire keybinding screen over multiple times.

I have since replaced my follow macro with

/target [nomod:rctrl,nomod:ralt,target=wynterz][mod:rctrl,nomod:ralt,target=summerz][mod:ralt,nomod:rctrl,target=autumnz][mod:rctrl,mod:ralt,target=springz]
/follow
/targetlasttarget

and now it works fine, but i'm no longer referencing the button36/target macro. it's not a big issue now since i got it working but just curious why 2 macros that are virtually identical, one would work and one would fail?

also, you mentioned that "As Typing is concerned: When i have to chat i normaly (if i don't forget) stop keyclone from broadcasting, if i want to type a command to all my toons I also use the corresponding function in keyclone, so there would not be an issiue, i think."
how do you do that? my understanding with the ftl system is that you basically have to have your wasd key on the do-not-pass list right? as such typing many commands like /camp doesnt work and i had to make a macro for it. what function do you use so you can type out commands to all accounts simultaneously? or do you just clear the do not pass list for that?

To Poetry:
Your problem sounds JUST like what i'm going through, only reversed. my /follow macro is the one that doesnt work while my cast and assist macro works ok. I was thinking it was a keybind issue also because of the inconsistent behaivior, but I had checked through all my keybinds using the ingame menu. I did not think to check the file directly. Please let me know how your theory tests out. :)

olipcs

10-22-2008, 03:32 AM

also, you mentioned that "As Typing is concerned: When i have to chat i normaly (if i don't forget) stop keyclone from broadcasting, if i want to type a command to all my toons I also use the corresponding function in keyclone, so there would not be an issiue, i think."
how do you do that? my understanding with the ftl system is that you basically have to have your wasd key on the do-not-pass list right? as such typing many commands like /camp doesnt work and i had to make a macro for it. what function do you use so you can type out commands to all accounts simultaneously? or do you just clear the do not pass list for that?
� have, like you, aswd (and some other keys) on the do not pass list of keyclone.
But in keyclone you can set some overrides in the 'override settings', there i aadded keys for override (normaly Pause) to stop broadcasting at all, when i'm chatting and a key to override the do not pass list, for typing things like /camp on all chars...

hm, to your follow problem: honesly no idea, what you described should work :(

Poetry

10-22-2008, 05:42 AM

Your problem sounds JUST like what i'm going through, only reversed. my /follow macro is the one that doesnt work while my cast and assist macro works ok. I was thinking it was a keybind issue also because of the inconsistent behaivior, but I had checked through all my keybinds using the ingame menu. I did not think to check the file directly. Please let me know how your theory tests out. :)

Just tried it out and I have success! I hit the reset button on the Blizzard keybindings dialog and redid all my keybinds from scratch. And what do you know, all five toons are now listening to orders again! To my eyes in the game the keybindings look just like they did yesterday, but on logging out just now the bindings-cache.wtf file is down to 1K from 6K. So I guess, in my case anyway, beware phantom keybindings!

olipcs

10-22-2008, 06:34 PM

Quick-Cross-Promotion:

Anemo implementet the ftl with HotKeyNet: [HotKeyNet] Leaderless setup with HotKeyNet ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=15353')

its very promising!

delafoo

10-24-2008, 05:28 PM

Day 5 into my failed attempts of setting up the followless system.

I've gone over my macros and stirings several times. I have noticed that there are maybe 3 or more versions of the macros here, with spaces, returns, semicolons, so maybe thats my problem. I wish I knew how to copy and paste my macros. I'm using 2 as my activator for my lightning bolt, and I as the hidden key as shown in the initial post.

Here is my macro on all my toons:

/assist [mod:ctrl,mod:shift,nomod:alt,target=Shockershama][mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=Shockershamb][mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl,target=Shockershamc][mod:ctrl,mod:alt,mod:shift,target=Shockershamd][mod:ctrl,nomod:alt,nomod:shift,target=Shockershame] /cast [harm] Lightning Bolt /targetlasttarget

Keymaps are loaded as described in the op.

When I hit '2' nothing happens other than a start cast on Lightning Bolt, only on the current toon. When I hit I, I can see it activate an all other windows as I have the macro bound to a button an a macaroon bar... yet when I hit 'I" I get an Unknown Unit response when targeting a killable npc and hitting I.

Your help is welcome.

Thanks!

~BB

delafoo

10-24-2008, 06:42 PM

Tried the /p %t is my Master and not getting any response.

I verified that keymap A is associated with shama and B with toonB... so I must have a hotstring error?

ShockershamA, Keymap saved as: C:\Users\Ben\Desktop\keyclone\lbta.kcl
Description: blank
key hotstring
2 lightningbolt.on.toona
LCTRL+I lightningboltontoone
LSHIFT+LALT+I lightningboltontoonc
LCTRL+LALT+I lightningbolt.on.tonbg
LSHIFT+LCTRL+LALT+I lightningboltontoond

This is how my keymap looks for toonA, Shockershama. In the 'Command Editor' of Keyclone, I have the Keymap field set to load this keymap to shockershama upon loading (command is named wow1).

Keymap 2 for shockershamb. Saved as same as above but ends in\lbtb.kcl

Key Hotstring
2 lbtb
LCTRL+I lbte
LSHIFT+LCTRL+I lbtna
LSHIFT+LALT+I lbtc
LSHIFT+LCTRL+LALT+I lbtd

In all toons, I have the Lightning bolt spell loaded onto button 2, and the /p macro you suggested bound to a button on a seperate macroon bar, bound to 'I'.

Further suggestions are appreciated.

Thanks!

~Ben

delafoo

10-24-2008, 07:19 PM

delafoo

10-24-2008, 08:19 PM

olipcs

10-24-2008, 09:47 PM

Hi, delafoo!

Sorry, you have so much trouble in setting this up, I try to help you, as much as I can.
I've gone over my macros and stirings several times. I have noticed that there are maybe 3 or more versions of the macros here, with spaces, returns, semicolons, so maybe thats my problem This is because the system is (or was) in development, and everybody used other macros and method, for example you can do a cast on Shockershamas-Target by

/assist Shockershama
/cast Lightningbolt

or

/target [target=Shockershama]
/target [target=targettarget]
/cast Lightningbolt

it does basicly the same, but the first version is better if you use /castsequences wit a reset=target option like

/assist Shockershama
/castsequence reset=target Corruption,Curse of Agony,Immolate,Shadowbolt,Shadowbolt,Shadowbolt,Sh adowbolt

...the later may be better if you try to combine damage and healing in one button as in:

/target [target=Shockershama]
/cast [target=targettarget,harm,nodead] Lightningbolt;[help,nodead]Healing Wave

so thats why there are so many varaniants, sorry...

But I try to give you one working in the following:

Keybindings

First thing you should make sure, is that your keybindings are ok, to test this do the following:

1- Group all Toons
2. Drag the following macro to your slave-key (in your case 'I') on all Toons:

/target [mod:ctrl,mod:shift,nomod:alt,target=Shockershama][mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=Shockershamb][mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl,target=Shockershamc][mod:ctrl,mod:alt,mod:shift,target=Shockershamd][mod:ctrl,nomod:alt,nomod:shift,target=Shockershame]
/p %t is my Master
(very important: The macro must be only on two lines, don't insert linebreaks after each [] as it is done in the wiki for better understanding!)

3. Activate the Window of 'Shockershama' press '2' and see, if Shockershamb till Shockershame say 'Shockershama is my Master' in group chat
4. do Step 3. for the four other Shamans and see if they announce the correct Master

If all announced every master correct, your keybinding is fine, and the problem lies in the macro!

Macros
For your purpose the following macro should be dragged to your slave-key ('I'):

/assist [mod:ctrl,mod:shift,nomod:alt]Shockershama;[mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift]Shockershamb;[mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl]Shockershamc;[mod:ctrl,mod:alt,mod:shift]Shockershamd;[mod:ctrl,nomod:alt,nomod:shift]Shockershame
/cast [harm] Lightning Bolt

(and if you want a /targetlasttarget at the end, though, i personaly do not like it, becaus of its impact on /castsequences..)
Again, the above must be only two lines!

After you dragged the macro to your slave-keys on all Shaman, try the leader switching out extensivly, and hopefully have fun!

btw. to have it complete, the follow macro would look like:

/target [mod:ctrl,mod:shift,nomod:alt,target=Shockershama][mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=Shockershamb][mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl,target=Shockershamc][mod:ctrl,mod:alt,mod:shift,target=Shockershamd][mod:ctrl,nomod:alt,nomod:shift,target=Shockershame]
/follow
/targetlasttarget

I hope this works and you have fun!

delafoo

10-24-2008, 11:50 PM

olipcs

10-25-2008, 12:06 AM

Thank you. That explains alot. I will implement this tonight and get back to you... looking at your post, I'm thinking that my macro is indeed the problem, will will let you know for sure. You're welcome. Honestly no problem, i know the setup can be a bitch, cause it is quite complex, but i hope you will forget all the trouble, when you see the beauty of its function :)

..i honestly also think, the error is in your macro (but added the section about keybinding to be sure).
The problem i saw with the macro is that you are using is, that you use an /assis in a macro phrase, which originaly was used with /target.
I think if you had used your macro in this way, it would function:

/target [mod:ctrl,mod:shift,nomod:alt,target=Shockershama][mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=Shockershamb][mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl,target=Shockershamc][mod:ctrl,mod:alt,mod:shift,target=Shockershamd][mod:ctrl,nomod:alt,nomod:shift,target=Shockershame]
/target [target=targettarget]
/cast [harm] Lightning Bolt
/targetlasttarget

but the devil is in the details, as allways ;)

olipcs

10-25-2008, 04:32 AM

**New Technique**

Using modifiers directly in your /cast macro

One major problem/misunderstanding of the ftl-setup is that a macro, which should activate on '2', like:
/cast [mod:alt,harm] Corruption; [harm] Shadowbolt can normaly only be achived in a ftl setup, by seperatly define a hotkey for '2' and a hotkey for 'alt + 2' which lead to 2 different slavekeys.
For more information see: http://www.dual-boxing.com/wiki/index.php/Focusless_Targetless_Leaderless_Setup#Modifiers ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/../wiki/index.php/Focusless_Targetless_Leaderless_Setup#Modifiers')

This is only half of the truth, as it is possible to use the same slave-key as long as you are not using the modifier which is used in the macro (here: alt) as part of your modifier-order which defines your leading Toon.

Ok, in theory this is possible, but when i want to define a modifier-order for a 5-Toon-Team i have to use at leats 3 different modifiers.

You might ask: "So what are you telling me here? It is possible, but becasue i need 3 different modifiers for my order its inpractical! -So shut up, don't waste my time!"
You were right, if there are only 3 modifiers!
But I shortly realized, that there are indeed 6 (!) modifiers not only 3, if you differentiate between left + right shift,alt,ctrl :thumbsup:

So the basic idea:
Simply use ralt, rshift and rctrl to define the modifier-order and voila, lalt,lshift and lctrl can be used in your macros! jipi!

so instead of using:
�Ctrl + Shift + key� ---> �command.ToonA�
�Ctrl + Alt + key� ---> �command.ToonB�
�Alt + Shift + key�---> �command.ToonC�
�Ctrl + Alt + Shift + key� ---> �command.ToonD�
�Ctrl + key� ---> �command.ToonE�

as your modifier combination, use:

�rCtrl + rShift + key� ---> �command.ToonA�
�rCtrl + rAlt + key� ---> �command.ToonB�
�rAlt + rShift + key�---> �command.ToonC�
�rCtrl + rAlt + rShift + key� ---> �command.ToonD�
�rCtrl + key� ---> �command.ToonE�

and by doing so you can use a macro like the following on your slave key:

/assist
[mod:rctrl,mod:rshift,nomod:ralt]ToonA;
[mod:rctrl,mod:ralt,nomod:rshift]ToonB;
[mod:ralt,mod:rshift,nomod:rctrl]ToonC;
[mod:rctrl,mod:ralt,mod:rshift]ToonD;
[mod:rctrl,nomod:ralt,nomod:rshift]ToonE
/cast [harm,mod:shift]Chain Lightning;[harm]Lightning Bolt

Horray :)

Pocalypse

10-25-2008, 04:52 AM

[b]**New Technique**

and by doing so you can use a macro like the following on your slave key:

/assist
[mod:rctrl,mod:rshift,nomod:ralt]ToonA;
[mod:rctrl,mod:ralt,nomod:rshift]ToonB;
[mod:ralt,mod:rshift,nomod:rctrl]ToonC;
[mod:rctrl,mod:ralt,mod:rshift]ToonD;
[mod:rctrl,nomod:ralt,nomod:rshift]ToonE
/cast [harm,mod:shift]Chain Lightning;[harm]Lightning Bolt

Horray :)

Does this actually work? I was always under the impression that wow does not differentiate between left and right modifiers. Does it recognize lalt and ralt?

olipcs

10-25-2008, 05:13 AM

yes it does, i'm running it thatway at the moment,
what i can't say at the momement is, if keyclone can differentiate between lalt and ralt.
But till wendsday i'm using HotKeyNet instead of keyclone (and loving it), and with it, this definatly works!

olipcs

10-25-2008, 06:29 AM

Does hotstring naming matter, or just the keysequence?

I 'm not able to get the party speak to work. I have a bit of variablity in the hotstring names:

I've named one key lbta, and another lbtoonb, etc. could this be my problem? in general ony the keysequence. so its not important if you name the hotstring for lightning bolt 'lbta' or 'lbtoonb', the only thing thats important is, that you use the same name for the hotstring identifiying lb on a specific Toon, like 'lightning.bolt.on.ToonAs.target' in every keymap.

So using:

'ctrl + shift + i ---> lightning.bolt.on.ToonAs.target'' on the Keymap of ToonB
and
'ctrl + shift + i ---> lbA'

is a no go!

olipcs

10-25-2008, 06:40 AM

Not sure why this was posted 2 pages back when I just posted it ;P Yeah funny, for me the order of the posts is also not correct, maybe the forum has problems...
ShockershamA, Keymap saved as: C:\Users\Ben\Desktop\keyclone\lbta.kcl
Description: blank
key hotstring
2 lightningbolt.on.toona
LCTRL+I lightningboltontoone
LSHIFT+LALT+I lightningboltontoonc
LCTRL+LALT+I lightningbolt.on.tonbg
LSHIFT+LCTRL+LALT+I lightningboltontoond

This is how my keymap looks for toonA, Shockershama. In the 'Command Editor' of Keyclone, I have the Keymap field set to load this keymap to shockershama upon loading (command is named wow1).

Keymap 2 for shockershamb. Saved as same as above but ends in\lbtb.kcl

Key Hotstring
2 lbtb
LCTRL+I lbte
LSHIFT+LCTRL+I lbtna
LSHIFT+LALT+I lbtc
LSHIFT+LCTRL+LALT+I lbtd Ah yeah, now i know what your problem is!

you can't name 'ctrl+i --> lightningboltontoone' for ToonA and 'ctrl+i -->lbte' on ToonB, it must be the same string.

This is the reason why:

Say you press '2' while ToonA is active:
- what happens is, that keyclone looks up in its keymap-file for ToonA if there is a hotstring for ToonA an it finds '2 --> lightningbolt.on.toona'
- now, keyclone send first the keypress '2' to the active ToonA and then searches in the keymapfiles of the other Toons if there is a phrase like ' ... --> lightningbolt.on.toona'
- if it found a association it sends the corresponding keystroke to the corresponding window.

-When you youse different names, like you did above, keyclone never finds any phrase like ' ... --> lightningbolt.on.toona' on the keymaps of the slaves and they never get a keystroke.

so correct the above would be:

ShockerShameA:
2 lightningbolt.on.toona
LCTRL+I lightningboltontoone
LSHIFT+LALT+I lightningboltontoonc
LCTRL+LALT+I lightningbolt.on.tonbg
LSHIFT+LCTRL+LALT+I lightningboltontoond

Keymap 2 for shockershamb:
2 lightningbolt.on.tonbg
LCTRL+I lightningboltontoone
LSHIFT+LCTRL+I lightningbolt.on.toona
LSHIFT+LALT+I lightningboltontoonc
LSHIFT+LCTRL+LALT+I lightningboltontoond

Poetry

10-25-2008, 10:13 AM

- Your group is not flexible anymore:
You can't just put any character in your team and have a go with that same team, because the names of your party members are hardcoded in your macros.

I have 9 toons across 5 accounts (4 accounts with one character each and 1 account with 5 characters). This means one set of keymaps for each account and 5 versions of the assist and follow macros in the game to handle the various characters on account #1. It definitely adds a layer of complication. For people who don't have a set group of 5 characters that they run, here is what I do to make it easier for me:

1) Keymap files named for the account. I don't always load characters up in the same windows the same way. Sometimes I run instances with other people and might just take 2 or 3 toons. Naming the keymap files for the account and putting the account name in the description makes it easier to keep track.

2) MacroBank. This addon is basically macro storage. With limited macro slots in the game I just don't have room to keep 5 versions of follow and 5 versions of assist (and actually editing macros every time I swap a character is a pain). So I have MacroBank set up with 2 sets of macros with the 5 variations. Just open the macro window, hit the "Restore" button on the assist and follow ToonX macros, do that for each window and then everyone has the right toon names in their macros with just a couple clicks. Just be careful with the "Replace" button if you use this addon (I wish I could remove that)...you could end up with this well formed /assist macro on top of your long thought out /castsequence dps macro. But basically it's a pretty helpful mod for anyone that might need to swap macros frequently (like if you're rotating toons in to summon the HH).

delafoo

10-25-2008, 04:17 PM

olipcs

10-28-2008, 07:11 AM

Included a new section 'Examples / Other sources ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/wiki/index.php/Focusless_Targetless_Leaderless_Setup#Examples_.2F _Other_sources') ' in the wiki, where i link to some examples of the way an ftl can be implemented.
Although they all are in this thread, i think they are a little bit burried in this ver long thread and so likely to miss.

If I missed some, or you have others, feel free to edit them into the wiki, or post them herr (or pm me) so i can include them...

..any other suggestiones how the wiki-entry could made better (i know there is a lot of improvement possible) are appreciated!
I might redo the hole entry perhaps, so any suggestion is welcome!

phara

10-30-2008, 10:11 AM

First, thanks to everyone that has contributed to FTL. There is a wealth of information on this and other threads that helped me get set up.

I have posted a thread at [FTL] Perl Script to Generate Keyclone Hotstrings and /target ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=15733') that contains a perl script I use to generate all my FTL hotstrings and /target line for keyclone and my wow macros. It takes me 5 minutes to do a new setup or change my bindings, so I wanted to share the script in case anyone finds it useful.

- Phara

Dreamtheather

10-30-2008, 09:09 PM

**New Technique**

Using modifiers directly in your /cast macro

One major problem/misunderstanding of the ftl-setup is that a macro, which should activate on '2', like:

/cast [mod:alt,harm] Corruption; [harm] Shadowbolt can normaly only be achived in a ftl setup, by seperatly define a hotkey for '2' and a hotkey for 'alt + 2' which lead to 2 different slavekeys.
For more information see: http://www.dual-boxing.com/wiki/index.php/Focusless_Targetless_Leaderless_Setup#Modifiers ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/../wiki/index.php/Focusless_Targetless_Leaderless_Setup#Modifiers')

This is only half of the truth, as it is possible to use the same slave-key as long as you are not using the modifier which is used in the macro (here: alt) as part of your modifier-order which defines your leading Toon.

Ok, in theory this is possible, but when i want to define a modifier-order for a 5-Toon-Team i have to use at leats 3 different modifiers.

You might ask: "So what are you telling me here? It is possible, but becasue i need 3 different modifiers for my order its inpractical! -So shut up, don't waste my time!"
You were right, if there are only 3 modifiers!
But I shortly realized, that there are indeed 6 (!) modifiers not only 3, if you differentiate between left + right shift,alt,ctrl :thumbsup:

So the basic idea:
Simply use ralt, rshift and rctrl to define the modifier-order and voila, lalt,lshift and lctrl can be used in your macros! jipi!

so instead of using:
�Ctrl + Shift + key� ---> �command.ToonA�
�Ctrl + Alt + key� ---> �command.ToonB�
�Alt + Shift + key�---> �command.ToonC�
�Ctrl + Alt + Shift + key� ---> �command.ToonD�
�Ctrl + key� ---> �command.ToonE�

as your modifier combination, use:

�rCtrl + rShift + key� ---> �command.ToonA�
�rCtrl + rAlt + key� ---> �command.ToonB�
�rAlt + rShift + key�---> �command.ToonC�
�rCtrl + rAlt + rShift + key� ---> �command.ToonD�
�rCtrl + key� ---> �command.ToonE�

and by doing so you can use a macro like the following on your slave key:

/assist
[mod:rctrl,mod:rshift,nomod:ralt]ToonA;
[mod:rctrl,mod:ralt,nomod:rshift]ToonB;
[mod:ralt,mod:rshift,nomod:rctrl]ToonC;
[mod:rctrl,mod:ralt,mod:rshift]ToonD;
[mod:rctrl,nomod:ralt,nomod:rshift]ToonE
/cast [harm,mod:shift]Chain Lightning;[harm]Lightning Bolt

Horray :)Has anyone tried this with keyclone yet? I'm probably going to try this setup sometime this week end and the idea of using the right side modifiers sound pretty good to me.

olipcs

10-31-2008, 04:22 AM

I haven't tryed it myself, since i'm not using keyclone anymore, but since keyclone differenciates in the keymap-editor between left and right shift,alt,ctrl this should work.
Only think to mention is, that you can'T use the 'Pass only hotstrings'-Option because then lshift,lalt and lctrl wouldn't be transmited.

suicidesspyder

10-31-2008, 05:41 AM

Ok i have been reading over this whole set-up for about 4 hrs and still im lost. I spoke with keyclone earlier and got some other issues fixed, but still having a problem here. Ok as for now ive got the one laptop one screen 5 accounts. Main is big and alts are four smaller on right side. Well fixed it so hitting the f8-f12 using keyclone maximizer will swap to active player if main dies and set them as focus. The big problem now is how does that guy attack it says u have no target but the alts that are still alive attack the target. So in otherwords get into fight main dies hit f9 switch to that alt he becomes the new main for the fight now he targets something and says u need to target when i hit a spell, but you see spells from alts whizzing by head why is this happening. Like i said ive been reading this post over and over hoping it will sink into my head cause like most of you all i dont have a lot of free time to play the game. So i am wasting sleep hrs and play time hoping to get this all set so that i can come on for like 3-4 hrs a days get something accomplished and move on with the rest of my life any help would be great thanx.

olipcs

10-31-2008, 06:15 AM

Well fixed it so hitting the f8-f12 using keyclone maximizer will swap to active player if main dies and set them as focus For me this sounds more, as if you are using an approach, where 'focus' defines which toon is you 'main'/'leader' not the the approach of this topic, which uses a modifier-order submitted by hotstrings to define this.
If you want to use focus to define your leader (and don't need focus for something else), you may have a look at the setup zanthor suggested, using macaroon, jamba and a focus approach here: Leaderless/Targetless - Focus Based Hydra ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&postID=129200&highlight=leaderless+hydra#post129200')

Perhaps if i understood you wrong, and you infact using an ftl-setup, it would be good to post your macros you use for dps (and maybe, if there are some assigned to your PiP-Keys) so we can have a look at them to help you.

Edit: and if look at your post here: now i feel like a noob ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&postID=141491#post141491') i am much more thinking you should post this question in the other thread ;)

Dreamtheather

10-31-2008, 04:48 PM

Dreamtheather

10-31-2008, 04:50 PM

BTW Olipcs , wanted to thank you for all the replies and assistance you gave other players. Thru there issues and problems you probably answered alot of problems im going to have this week end lol :)

phineas01

11-02-2008, 03:25 AM

Just wanted to chime in and say thank you to the OP and everyone that put in information for this setup. I finally got around to doing this today for my quad Druids and I must say it's fantastic. Took me a while to get my head wrapped around it but once I did it was a piece of cake. I'm slowly moving all my attacks/heals/etc over to this setup as I level. :thumbsup:

edit: Also, if there is anyone having trouble setting this up send me a PM and we can either link up on msn/aim or my vent server and I'll walk you through it. Maybe it was just me but the way it's explained isn't 100% clear so it took some time for me to get it. Wouldn't mind helping someone do this as it's a great way to go.

cherzra

11-02-2008, 04:13 AM

I'm just lost... I have been staring at this for four consecutive hours and I haven't even been able to make the follow macro work. If anyone can help, I would appreciate it. Apologies for the size and images but I wanted to provide as much info as possible...

I have five chars:
cherzra
cherzrb
cherzrc
cherzre
cherzrf

These are my keymaps:

cherzra:
http://i34.tinypic.com/2iawxts.jpg

cherzrb:
http://i36.tinypic.com/35a99n7.jpg

cherzrc:
http://i37.tinypic.com/2hq9vet.jpg

cherzre:
http://i36.tinypic.com/9tmhyo.jpg

cherzrf:
http://i34.tinypic.com/e9ahqc.jpg

And once Keyclone has been started:
http://i38.tinypic.com/xb0rc5.jpg

For some reason it does not show the name of the keymap for cherzrc, cherzre and cherzrf, but it shows "^" instead. I think this is a bug, as the description when opening the keymap itself also shows as "^" even if I save it with a value in that field. Anyway, that shouldn't matter for now.

These are my follow macros:

CHERZRA
/target [mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=cherzrb]
[mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl,target=cherzrc]
[mod:ctrl,mod:alt,mod:shift,target=cherzre]
[mod:ctrl,nomod:alt,nomod:shift,target=cherzrf]
/say %t
/follow
/targetlasttarget

CHERZRB
/target [mod:ctrl,mod:shift,nomod:alt,target=cherzra]
[mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl,target=cherzrc]
[mod:ctrl,mod:alt,mod:shift,target=cherzre]
[mod:ctrl,nomod:alt,nomod:shift,target=cherzrf]
/say %t
/follow
/targetlasttarget

CHERZRC
/target [mod:ctrl,mod:shift,nomod:alt,target=cherzra]
[mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=cherzrb]
[mod:ctrl,mod:alt,mod:shift,target=cherzre]
[mod:ctrl,nomod:alt,nomod:shift,target=cherzrf]
/say %t
/follow
/targetlasttarget

CHERZRE
/target [mod:ctrl,mod:shift,nomod:alt,target=cherzra]
[mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=cherzrb]
[mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl,target=cherzrc]
[mod:ctrl,nomod:alt,nomod:shift,target=cherzrf]
/say %t
/follow
/targetlasttarget

CHERZRF
/target [mod:ctrl,mod:shift,nomod:alt,target=cherzra]
[mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=cherzrb]
[mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl,target=cherzrc]
[mod:ctrl,mod:alt,mod:shift,target=cherzre]
/say %t
/follow
/targetlasttarget

As you can see, I've removed the entries for the character in question (as explained in this ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&postID=103951#post103951') post, to stay under the 255 char limit) and added "/say %t" to print my target... I tried this to debug and see what's going on.

Here's what happens when I press F6:

On cherzra, all the other guys follow him so it works. However, they do all say a bunch of garbage that's in the macro before printing the proper target of "cherzra." I have no idea why.
http://i37.tinypic.com/107jrex.jpg

On cherzrb, only cherzra follows. He says garbage, followed by saying the right target, which is similar to the situation above. Cherzrc, cherzre and cherzrf just say garbage and then when printing their target.
http://i33.tinypic.com/2rr5sw7.jpg

On cherzrc, cherzre and cherzrf, nobody follows them and they all say the garbage and then .
http://i37.tinypic.com/t02mwp.jpg

Can someone see what I'm doing wrong? It's very depressing to see people talking about cast sequences, formations etc while using FTL while I can't even begin to get my guys to follow... :(

1. Why are my guys all saying the garbage from the macro (this happens even if I remove the "/say %t" I added to debug)?
2. Why are they all following cherzra properly (even though they say garbage)?
3. Why is only cherzra following cherzrb?
4. Why is nobody following cherzrc, cherzre and cherzrf?
5. Can someone confirm that Keyclone shows "^" in their keymaps for the last 3 out of 5 clients?

Thank you!

PS I've gone through my keybindings and removed just about everything that I could find, so I think that can be ruled out... there's nothing in any of my clients that points to either the "O" button or "F6" (I press F6 to follow, which is key mapped onto various combinations of O), and I've tried multiple keys instead of F6 as well

moosejaw

11-02-2008, 04:33 AM

First, I can't see your images right now because work is filtering those links. I will help with what I can though.

Ok, the toons sending out the garbage chat is because you captured some hard returns in the first line. Copy the whole targeting conditionals to worpad (or similar) and go in there and remove any spaces between the brackets ][ . You don't want any of this crap ] [ , ok? Once you have them removed just paste in that first line over your old target conditionals.

Make sure you have unbound F1-F5 in the blizz keybindings so you won't get targeting false positives in your troubleshooting. Manually clear all clone targets before testing your follow.

Also make sure your regions and keymaps match to the correct account. You may need to make a simple chart to vet your settings.

Region1-keymap1-wow1

Region2-keymap2-wow2 etc..

I had a similar problem and I had crosslinked my regions by mistake.

The ^ showing seems to be a bug with the keymap not taking a new description after the first save. I have one like that also. I think I can manually edit the keymap file and fix it. I was able to remove a bad entry that way.

If you entered your keymap correctly the follow should work. Good luck.

edit: Make sure that the key you bind your macro to is a plain key with no mods. k, p, m etc.... that is the only way the macro conditionals can work.

cherzra

11-02-2008, 04:41 AM

OMG.. you are my hero... I've spent hours and I just couldn't figure it out... it was the spaces between ][, everything works now. The wiki and post 1 of this topic should have mentioned that... they also contain the space.

Thank you so much!!!

moosejaw

11-02-2008, 04:48 AM

Excellent! Now go get the rest of your macros setup. lol

I am still at the follow macro step on mine because I have worked too many hours this weekend. :)

olipcs

11-02-2008, 04:53 AM

�hm, sorry you had so much trouble, but the wiki does mention this, first in the first time the macro is explained and a second time in the 'troubleshooting'-section...

..but anyway, i'm glad it works for you know!

Dominian

11-03-2008, 01:50 PM

Okey i have some issues after 3.0.2 and my new UI

Everything worked fine pre patch and i use the exact same macros (since i got them stored in a txt file they are exactly the same)

Okey so i play my toon 1 and starts to heal toon 2 using lesser healing wave and it works fine.

However all my other toons heals Toon 1.

Can it be something with my new UI? AG_unit ive heard people who had problem with this when they changed UI?

But it still happens when i try to heal other targets as well and i tried to clear all other keys who use the "." key.

aussiehyena

11-03-2008, 03:23 PM

hello,

thanks for the hard work everyone.

I have spent hours reading these forums trying to work out how to implement it. I am sure it seams obvious to those who have got it working. could somone upload there files; they use that work please. so everyone can download it and simply edit it, to change to the key they use. starter files would include the files for getting 2 different cast keys working and the macros needed ingame. e.g. cast key 2 and 3 would be great. this way we/beginers can simply load the keymap file in keyclones 'command editor" and copy/paste the macro into the game and bind the noted key to it and have the first two keys working. Then we can copy/paste - edit for aditional keys.

also i dont understand why my keyboard places a L or a R in front of the ctrl,shift,alt keys depending on weather i press the right or left key on the keyboard, the problem is that in wow it sees the key stoke as the key witout the ctrl,shift,alt key modifiers in front of it and simply treats it as pressing the final key. when i go to edit the file it has a number assigned to it that does not match the chart provided of availible keystrocks in wow.

thanks

Saevio

11-04-2008, 09:56 AM

I'll give a quick example, but instead of pasting links to files, I'll paste the contents of the Keyclone keymap files and you'll have to make them into Keyclone files (detailed below).

The first will deal with setting up a follow key.

The follow key will be the ` (or grave accent) key, which is next to 1 on UK keyboards.

The ingame macro key will be the ] (or close square bracket) key.

NOTE: To convert the text in the code boxes below into a Keyclone keymap file, simply copy and paste the contents (in this case, the 6 lines) into a fresh notepad (only use notepad, not MS Word or Wordpad) file and name the file charactername.kcl (Obviously replacing charactername with your character's name, also, make sure that the file ends with .kcl and not .kcl.txt or something similar).

Modifer Keys (for reference):
Character1 will use Shift + Ctrl
Character2 will use Alt
Character3 will use Shift + Alt
Character4 will use Shift
Character5 will use Ctrl

First, the Keyclone files for each of the 5 characters.

Charater1

^
k(223.0.0):hs(follow.character1)
k(221.1.1):hs(follow.character4)
k(221.4.4):hs(follow.character5)
k(221.16.16):hs(follow.character2)
k(221.17.17):hs(follow.character3)

Character2

^
k(223.0.0):hs(follow.character2)
k(221.1.1):hs(follow.character3)
k(221.4.4):hs(follow.character5)
k(221.5.5):hs(follow.character1)
k(221.17.17):hs(follow.character3)

Character3

^
k(221.1.1):hs(follow.character4)
k(221.4.4):hs(follow.character5)
k(221.5.5):hs(follow.character1)
k(221.16.16):hs(follow.character2)
k(223.0.0):hs(follow.character3)

Character4

^
k(223.0.0):hs(follow.character4)
k(221.4.4):hs(follow.character5)
k(221.5.5):hs(follow.character1)
k(221.16.16):hs(follow.character2)
k(221.17.17):hs(follow.character3)

Character5

^
k(221.1.1):hs(follow.character4)
k(223.0.0):hs(follow.character5)
k(221.5.5):hs(follow.character1)
k(221.16.16):hs(follow.character2)
k(221.17.17):hs(follow.character3)

If you want, you can replace the character# bits with your WoW character names, but it makes no difference other than being easier to read.

This macro must be present ingame and the action button it is on must be bound to the ] key.

MACRO 1 "Follow" Ability_Rogue_Sprint
/target [mod:shift,mod:ctrl,target=Character1][mod:alt,target=Character2][mod:shift,mod:alt,target=Character3][mod:shift,target=Character4][mod:ctrl,target=Character5]
/follow
/targetlasttarget
END

Here, you will need to replace the character# with the names of your characters, the modifiers need to match those used in the Keyclone files.

Load the keymap files (see below) onto their respective WoW client and try it out. This should work, but let me know if you encounter any problems.

If it works, I'll post another example.

Troubleshooting
� Make sure that the ` and ] keys are NOT in the do-not-pass list within Keyclone.
� Check that the ingame macro is correct, the second line (the one that starts with /target) needs to be all on one line (check the WoW macros-cache.txt files in your /World of Warcraft/WTF/Account/AccountName/ServerName/CharacterName folder)
� Remember to load the keymap files and be sure that they are loaded onto the correct WoW client.

As someone asked me how to load the keymaps in Keyclone, I figured I'd post this here too
The first way to load a keymap is to right click on one of the WoW instances in the keyclone main window and click "Load Keymap", then select the one you want to load.

The second and best way to do it is to use commands, click Setup (on the Keyclone main window) then goto the Command Editor in the side menu, from there, you just specify the installation directory, the keymap you want to load, the screen region (set up in the maximiser tab), then just enter your account names (I blurred mine out).

Then! The important bit: On the main keyclone window is the command box (next to the connect button at the bottom). In the command box, you need to type the commands you want to run, seperate by semi-colons, then hit enter.

In my case, I'd enter the code below into the command box.

Account1;Account2;Account3;Account4;Account6

To Illustrate:

http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr39/Araketh/1.gif
http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr39/Araketh/2.gif
http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr39/Araketh/3.gif
http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr39/Araketh/4.gif
http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr39/Araketh/6.gif

If you do it right, keyclone will look something like this after loading the WoW clients:

http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr39/Araketh/keyclone.gif

bhec7715

11-11-2008, 10:14 PM

I don't understand why this isn't written in such detail on the wiki or maybe it is and I just didn't see it. But on the macro page of the wiki the FTL setup is like 2 simple macros haha.

olipcs

11-12-2008, 05:25 AM

well i'm not as good in explaining it with good graphics and visualizations like Araketh, but a little bit of wikiing ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/wiki/index.php/Focusless_Targetless_Leaderless_Setup') exists, and calling it undetailed.. ..well, if you want to improve it, feel more than welcome!

btw: The link to the wiki is also on the first page of this thread, as the first entry ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&postID=103921#post103921') ....

Saevio

11-12-2008, 05:36 AM

The Wiki page has a ton of information in it, coupled with all the info in this thread, we should pretty much cover everything now :D

jeffz0rz

11-12-2008, 12:45 PM

I wrote up an article about my multiboxing setup, including some details on how I got the focusless, targetless, leaderless setup to work.

You can read it here: http://whatisearchfor.blogspot.com/2008/08/wow-multiboxing-setup.htmlThank you neodon, this is a great writeup (of course, thanks to the original authors of the idea, you guys rock, Neodon just made it easier to implement, for me anyways)

If your having trouble trying to get setup with this FTL'ess jargon, check out Neodons write up, use his files. I was able to get 4 out of my 5 characters working properly, and for some reason just could not troubleshoot the last toon, ended up finding his writeup, I downloaded his keymap files, and now all 5 of my toons are effectly FTL'less!

perhaps in the writeup though, you should add what modifiers are used for each keymap/toon, I was able to figure it out, but for the people far more lazy than I, or the ones who just don't get it, it may help if they want to put in additional keymaps.

for the record, the modifiers are(as used in Neodons files)
toon1 = shift+control+key
toon2 = ctrl+alt+key
toon3 = shift+alt+key
toon4 = shift+ctrl+alt+key
toon5 = ctrl+key

my apologies if someone has already stated this, but I relly didn't feel like sifting through 16 pages of replies to find out if it had been said already :P

Happy Boxing!

PS
I did modify the macros a little for myself though. So I'm not really targetless. I like seeing what my slaves are attacking, but I am Leaderless ad focusless :D

bhec7715

11-12-2008, 03:38 PM

This is the greatest of all forum posts. You guys are my heroes.

Sorry to say it was undetailed. I was looking at the FTL setup on 'getting started' part of the wiki.

Also: Does each toon have separate keymaps for each button or do you simply add them to the keymap?

I can't get this to work without a slave key. :(

Reglar

11-13-2008, 04:01 AM

So, I followed the wiki (well done), got the FTL setup working right off, and so good to go. Only, I noticed in my slave windows that both the slave/keystring AND the original master key both show pressed.

Details:
Master - I am using 2 for LB
Slaves - I am using i for the FTL LB

When I press 2 on the master, I see the I button firing on the slaves, but also the 2 button on the slaves is animating like its pressed.

I opened a /say on all the slaves, and when I press 2 on the master only i's come out, so clearly the slaves aren't really seeing 2.

Some of you will say "its working, so why worry". Well, I just hate not being able to understand the dynamics.

Anyone any insight? If it matters, I'm running 5 symbolic linked directories, one per window.

olipcs

11-13-2008, 04:39 AM

Reglar

11-13-2008, 01:13 PM

When I press 2 on the master, I see the I button firing on the slaves, but also the 2 button on the slaves is animating like its pressed. sounds wired! does the 'animating like its pressed' also appear when you put two different actions on it (preferably one tat doesn't even trigger gcd) ?Well, it would help if I actually replaced my original target based macro spells with plain jane spells out of the book.

The slaves were reacting to the alt's and ctrls and showing the other spells I had setup in my 2 slot using mod:alt etc.

Everything works fine when I actually do things 100% like the wiki, funny how that is :)

blast3r

11-19-2008, 04:26 PM

Just want to say thanks to everyone who has contributed to this FTL setup. This is really a great setup for boxing. I find the enemy in BGs end up looking lost after they stun my current main and I just switch to another and chew their faces off. Anyone who depends on a single main should think about using this. In an instance some bosses/mobs put your main to sleep and you are done for. I do wish it was easier to drop other toons in to the mix on the fly but maybe that will come later as this method grows. My old system with just a single main was easy. Simply change the lead toon's name in the follow macros and go kill things. Can't do it with this setup (at least that I am aware of).

olipcs

11-20-2008, 11:58 AM

I do wish it was easier to drop other toons in to the mix on the fly but maybe that will come later as this method grows. My old system with just a single main was easy. Simply change the lead toon's name in the follow macros and go kill things. Can't do it with this setup (at least that I am aware of). well honestly this is always a problem with the ftl, the best method for simplifying group-changes currently known is using the "/click Method ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/wiki/index.php/Focusless_Targetless_Leaderless_Setup#Shorten_macr ospace_.2F_simplify_group_changes') " which leads in only 1-2 macros to change. Other than that, i put my hope very much in Freedy (of HKN) to give us the tool for realy simple keybinding ftl-setups, fingers are crossed...

On the macro-side, i put my hope in jamba. Because when Jafula implements the ability of tag-based-macro writing, teamchanges should be a no brainer...

DgtlSorcrs

12-01-2008, 02:21 PM

I'm pretty late to this thread, but I too like the "masterless" approach. I was thinking that KeyClone might be able to do remapping, but never took the time to look that far into it. I can't wait to get home and try this out.

I'm going to shamelessly plug here: If you like to go "masterless", you may like my addon, MultiTool (http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/multitool.aspx), for this as I specifically made it to just silently make stuff work (quest gossip, auto accept escort quests, auto accept summons, auto accept group invites [white-list-enabled], auto follow taxi) without the traditional "master/ slave" relationship.

suicidesspyder

12-02-2008, 01:09 AM

currently atm i am not able to play during the week damn schools
bandwidth stinks so im stuck to reading this site over n over n over
again and trying to understand this thread cause this one sounds like
it would be awesome to be able to use for playing. Although im not new
to multiboxing this leaderless setup has me a little bit confused. Atm
i have key bindings on f8-f12 that they will switch and target that
player found problem sometimes they dont switch right so in instances=
wipes. Reading this i know sounds confusing what im writing but ill
try my best to break it down. I was looking at my keyclone keymap
editor ok i did on the key line i put as a key command lctrl+lalt+<
now the hotstring is the
??? and then where would u bind that long macro to cause it doesnt seem like it would fit i guess im really confused so anyhelp thru forum or private message would be awesome did it once with keyclone and he got me started on how he does it but i have been seeing this and how many people like it this way to say i need help ty.

olipcs

12-02-2008, 04:51 AM

hi,
well i'm a little bit short of time, so i like to only point you in the right direction ;)
Did you have a look on the wiki-entry of the ftl? (see my sig)
Perhaps have a look at the examples there to get a better impression what to do.

Saevio

12-02-2008, 06:10 AM

Knobley

12-02-2008, 07:21 PM

Hey guys,

I finally got the chance to give the FTL system a serious look this weekend. I just want to thanks all those who put so much time into dreaming up and sharing this technique.

My own, very very minor, contribution is that replacing (or inserting just before) the "cast" command in the macros the following line was very helpful for finding all those stupid little mistakes during setup. It assumes that all your slaves and your main are already grouped.

/p %t

or if you prefer to be more verbose and have room in your macro...

/p My target is %t.

The wiki already described doing something similar to have the slaves declare who was leading, but I found this helpful in having the slaves declare their target. By completely replacing the cast line with this during set up, you can fire off the macros all day long and see what's going on without having to literally fight mobs while you're at it.

Also,

If there was a link to the FTL system from the main wiki, or even from within the "guides" subsection of the wiki, I couldn't find it...

Knobley

suicidesspyder

12-03-2008, 01:28 AM

I was looking at my keyclone keymap editor ok i did on the key line i put as a key command lctrl+lalt+< now the hotstring is the??? and then where would u bind that long macro to cause it doesnt seem like it would fit The target/cast macro should be bound to < ingame.
Im new to dual boxing. Let me know a little bit about it. you can send an email sactown.916@hotmail.comLET ME SHOW YOU MY DUAL BOXINGS.

Sorry, but that's either spam (in which case, fail) or you're really lazy and posting in the wrong thread if you're new to all this.Ok i think im understanding this now more cause of your link then the keymap tutorial but one thing. Ok now to distinguish the leader can i put the modifier macro only on one button like the follow so say i hit alt shift q it makes them all follow and focus on that toon and then say for toon 2 its alt shift w to let the rest know they now follow that or do i hae to make all the spells have that same macro. As say my shaman wanted to cast lightning bolt on toon 1 does toon 2-5 have to have a macro do cast that spell or can they have the reg spell on the action bar. I dont know if thats clear enough but heres a lil more. As of right now each and everyone of my toons spells say /cast [target=focustarget] lightning bolt do i have to do anything like that on the toons or the modifier macro i put on my follow button take care of all that so i only have say three macros total my ftl macro invite and accept macros.

king.pa

12-22-2008, 04:49 PM

I've gave it a shot to this FTL setupyesterday, and I'm now benchmarking the swiftness of the macros, and the target change which is one of the major issue to me.

When I'm using the "Focus setup" with leader assigned by a key (which set the focus and made the clones follow their leader), there's an annoying 'lag' when casting... if I change my target and don't wait enough until I cast again.. whatever I cast (heal or harm spell), my clones won't EVER switch target as quickly as I am... I can understand that the ping and blabla but I was hoping that the FTL described here would be solving the major 'focus setup' issue : the lag on target change.. but it's not !!!
Targets seems to be changed quicker than with the Focus setup.. but not that much .. I'm disapointed...

Is there any trick around here to reduce to its strict minimum the lag on target change ?

Anyway, this FTL setup is harder to set-up, it blow ur mind when you set the ctrl/alt/shift but it's afterall an easyest way to quickly change the main toon .. I mean ... with the 3.0.3 and my focus setup, when the main died or lose its controls.. the clones also lose theirs .. they wait until I get control again on my main, and needless to say.. they are waiting for me to rez myself before continuing any action... which seems to be an solved issue with the FTL setup...
Thank you all ..
and, please forgive my faulty english :P

Clanked

12-23-2008, 09:41 AM

king.pa

12-26-2008, 02:14 PM

This is f...g long ... it's counted on miliseconds... but it's really long...
thnaks for the heads up
i'm now looking into the way to heal my party using party1, party2 etc etc .. well... i'm not done yet :)

Sajuuk

12-26-2008, 03:18 PM

Keep in mind the /party1/2/3/4/5 targets change depending on the character (Or so I've experienced)

As for Focusless/targetless/leaderless....love it. But I dread making my other (two) teams run this setup.

Reshnakl

01-07-2009, 01:35 AM

Okay so now that i am recovered from the 17 page read (all of which is very good info but doesn't help me figure out my problem i don't think).

So i tried setting this up across my 5-man team and the problem that i am having is that the hotstrings are only being sent when two of the windows are focused. What i mean by this is i have five characters names are phort(main), phord(slave), phorc(slave), phorta(slave), and Phorb(slave).
Now if im focused of PIP'ed to phord the hotstrings work fine and broadcast to all the windows and my guys all follow phord. The same happens with phorb when he is my main screen i can get all the other toons to follow him. I just cant seem to get the keys to broadcast across with the other toons.

The way i have the hotstrings is as follows:

Phort:
1---->TT1
LCTRL+LALT+I------------>TT2
LSHIFT+LALT+I-------------TT3
LSHIFT+LCTRL+LALT+I----TT4
LCTRL+I------>TT5

PHORD:

LSHIFT+LCTRL+I---->TT1
1------------>TT2
LSHIFT+LALT+I-------------TT3
LSHIFT+LCTRL+LALT+I----TT4
LCTRL+I------>TT5

PHORC:

LSHIFT+LCTRL+I---->TT1
LCTRL+LALT+I------------>TT2
1-------------TT3
LSHIFT+LCTRL+LALT+I----TT4
LCTRL+I------>TT5

PHORTA:

LSHIFT+LCTRL+I---->TT1
LCTRL+LALT+I------------>TT2
LSHIFT+LALT+I-------------TT3
1----TT4
LCTRL+I------>TT5

PHORB:

LSHIFT+LCTRL+I---->TT1
LCTRL+LALT+I------------>TT2
LSHIFT+LALT+I-------------TT3
LSHIFT+LCTRL+LALT+I----TT4
1------>TT5

Like I said the problem that i am having is the "I" key being broadcasted to my chars when PHORT, PHORC, or PHORTA are the main. Any help with this issue would be awesome.

olipcs

01-07-2009, 05:27 AM

hi, on first glance your hotstrings look ok, so I would guess the problem you described lies in the keybinding in wow.

What you described would occure, if 'shift+i' is not unbind on all the 5 toons, but binded to another action.
So the first thing I would do is check if this is the case, and if so to unbind shift+i and test again.

olipcs

01-07-2009, 08:48 AM

Quick crossposting: [HotKeyNet] Implementing an FTL quite simple with templates ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=18139')

a short guide, how to do the hotsringing with hotkeynet realy simple...

Reshnakl

01-07-2009, 11:18 AM

Thanks for the quick reply. At first thought i thought that might be what it was as well but went in and check all keybindings and nothing was bound to those strings. Also i'm not sure if that would explain why I can get the keys to broadcast with two of my toons but not when the other three are the main. Again any help with this problem would be greatly appreciated.

olipcs

01-07-2009, 11:26 AM

Also i'm not sure if that would explain why I can get the keys to broadcast with two of my toons but not when the other three are the main It would explain it, because all toons where it doesn't work Phort(LSHIFT+LCTRL+I), PHORC (LSHIFT+LALT+I) and PHORA (LSHIFT+LALT+ LCTRL + I) use shift in their modifiercombination, which identivies them.
So if shift+i would be bound to another action, the follow-macro which is on i would not get triggered.
Could you maybe check the keybinding-file for all toons if shift+i is realy unbound? -Or maybe post the macro you bound to i, for more helping/guessing?

Reshnakl

01-07-2009, 11:37 AM

Well i guess that i didn't look for just SHIFT+I that could be the problem. I knew there was a reason everyone came to this forum.... I will try when i get home from work thanks for the help.

SpruceGoose

01-10-2009, 06:08 PM

I attempted to get this working a couple months ago, but after many tries couldn't find a workable solution. As I was just getting my teams going I went back to a focus based set-up and proceeded to level up a few RAF groups. Fast forward to today, I find that I would really like to free up focus, so I've taken a second look at the FTL set-up. My understanding is a bit better now, so I'm hoping I can more clearly articulate the problem I'm encountering than I did back in November.

The set-up works well for abilities that are tied to one key, however, I'm having trouble when using shift+key. Take for example Shift+4. I have the following hotstrings set-up for this as follows..

Decianax:
LSHIFT+4 --------------> S4A
LCTRL+LALT+K ----------> S4E
LSHIFT+LALT+K ---------> S4I
LSHIFT+LCTRL+LALT+K ---> S4O
LCTRL+K ---------------> S4U

Decianex:
LSHIFT+LCTRL+K --------> S4A
LSHIFT+4 --------------> S4E
LSHIFT+LALT+K ---------> S4I
LSHIFT+LCTRL+LALT+K ---> S4O
LCTRL+K ---------------> S4U

Decianix:
LSHIFT+LCTRL+K --------> S4A
LCTRL+LALT+K ----------> S4E
LSHIFT+4 --------------> S4I
LSHIFT+LCTRL+LALT+K ---> S4O
LCTRL+K ---------------> S4U

Decianox:
LSHIFT+LCTRL+K --------> S4A
LCTRL+LALT+K ----------> S4E
LSHIFT+LALT+K ---------> S4I
LSHIFT+4 --------------> S4O
LCTRL+K ---------------> S4U

Decianux:
LSHIFT+LCTRL+K --------> S4A
LCTRL+LALT+K ----------> S4E
LSHIFT+LALT+K ---------> S4I
LSHIFT+LCTRL+LALT+K ---> S4O
LSHIFT+4 --------------> S4U

In game Starfire is set to Shift+4 on each character's action bars. The macro for Starfire on each character is tied to the K key and is as follows...

/assist
[mod:ctrl,mod:shift,nomod:alt,target=Decianax][mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=Decianex]
[mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl,target=Decianix]
[mod:ctrl,mod:alt,mod:shift,target=Decianox]
[mod:ctrl,nomod:alt,nomod:shift,target=Decianux]
/cast Starfire

When I'm playing Decianax, Decianix, or Decianox, and I hit Shift+4 everything works fine, all characters get the correct target and 5 Starfires begin to cast. However, if I target a mob with Decianex or Decianux and hit Shift+4, the other characters do not get a target. It seems what is happening, is when Decianex hits Shift+4 the S4E hotstring gets triggered, and LCTRL+LALT+K are triggered on the other characters, but the shift is getting passed as well. What this means is that the other characters get passed the modifier sequence for Decianox (mod:ctrl,mod:alt,mod:shift) and try to assist, but only Decianex has the target so the spell fails on the slaves.

The same is true for Decianux, rather than just the CTRL modifier being passed through the hotstring, the Shift from pressing Shift+4 also gets passed, and the assist target is Decianax.

There must be a work around for this, as it seems people do bind abilities to Shift+Key with this set-up. With 5 characters, dropping shift as a modifier in the assist macro unfortunately isn't an option, as there aren't enough combinations of modifiers without it. It doesn't appear that I can put shift on a do-not-pass list, unless I'm missing something. Anyone have an idea how I can fix this, so using Shift+Key works on all characters?

tinit5190

02-15-2009, 03:49 AM

Cancel this, found it in the wiki.

rip-rip

02-16-2009, 11:26 AM

ok i'm seriously lost... can someone tell me whats wrong here?

Lightning Bolt
ToonA:

/target [mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=Osera]
[mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl,target=Osora]
[mod:ctrl,mod:alt,mod:shift,target=Osura]
/cast [target=targettarget,harm] Lightning Bolt
/targetlasttarget

ToonB:

/target [mod:ctrl,mod:shift,nomod:alt,target=Osira]
[mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl,target=Osora]
[mod:ctrl,mod:alt,mod:shift,target=Osura]
/cast [target=targettarget,harm] Lightning Bolt
/targetlasttarget

ToonC:

/target [mod:ctrl,mod:shift,nomod:alt,target=Osira]
[mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=Osera]
[mod:ctrl,mod:alt,mod:shift,target=Osura]
/cast [target=targettarget,harm] Lightning Bolt
/targetlasttarget

ToonD:

/target [mod:ctrl,mod:shift,nomod:alt,target=Osira]
[mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=Osera]
[mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl,target=Osora]
/cast [target=targettarget,harm] Lightning Bolt
/targetlasttarget

i have bound it on every char to "U" since it was free... was that wrong?

please can someone help me fix this^^

thanks already,
rip-rip

Jezebel

02-18-2009, 06:47 PM

/target [mod:ctrl,mod:shift,nomod:alt,target=ToonA]
[mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=ToonB]
[mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl,target=ToonC]
[mod:ctrl,mod:alt,mod:shift,target=ToonD]
[mod:ctrl,nomod:alt,nomod:shift,target=ToonE]
/cast [target=targettarget,harm] Lightning Bolt
/targetlasttarget would target=party1 work in place of "ToonA" in this setup?

im not sure how WoW handles the party window, but if your characters are always in the same party slots (1through5).. wouldnt using party# to target mean you could have a universal set of hotstrings/macros no matter which group youre playing?

Chorizotarian

03-05-2009, 11:50 PM

im not sure how WoW handles the party window, but if your characters are always in the same party slots (1through5).. wouldnt using party# to target mean you could have a universal set of hotstrings/macros no matter which group youre playing?

No, party1-n are different on different characters. I can never remember what the system is. It's something like party1 is always the player or always the main except on the main. At any rate, it screws up a system based on hard coded IDs.

If you want an alternative check out my addon ActionBarTargeting. It gives you macro buttons Toon1 - Toon2 in a consistent order that you can /click. Sounds more like what you want.

Maleick

03-21-2009, 06:54 PM

Thank you for sharing all this info, however while I thought I finally understood I am still unable to make this work like it should.

I am going to copy and paste my KCL files and perhaps I can figure out where I am going wrong.

I am running 4 shamans.

Maleick (1) ctrl
Nurbok (2) alt
Voon (3) ctrl-shift
Lycoon (4) alt-shift
*TF1-4 = Toon Follow 1-4
*TT1-4 = Toon Target 1-4
FOLLOW MACRO: Bound to " ` " on all toons
/stopmacro [nomod]
/target [mod:ctrl,nomod:shift,nomod:alt,target=Maleick]
[mod:alt,nomod:ctrl,nomod:shift,target=Nurbok]
[mod:ctrl,mod:shift,nomod:alt,target=Voon]
[mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl,target=Lycoon]
/follow
/targetlasttarget

ASSIST MACRO: Bound to " J " on all toons
/stopmacro [nomod]
/target [mod:ctrl,nomod:shift,nomod:alt,target=Maleick]
[mod:alt,nomod:ctrl,nomod:shift,target=Nurbok]
[mod:ctrl,mod:shift,nomod:alt,target=Voon]
[mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl,target=Lycoon]
/target [target=targettarget]

Maleick.kcl Loaded to Main Character on keymap region 1

Maleick
k(74.0.0):hs(tt1)
k(74.5.5):hs(tt3)
k(74.16.16):hs(tt2)
k(74.17.17):hs(tt4)
k(192.0.0):hs(tf1)
k(192.5.5):hs(tf3)
k(192.16.16):hs(tf2)
k(192.17.17):hs(tf4)

Nurbok.kcl Loaded to Alt 1 in region 2

Nurbok
k(74.0.0):hs(tt2)
k(74.4.4):hs(tt1)
k(74.5.5):hs(tt3)
k(74.17.17):hs(tt4)
k(192.0.0):hs(tf2)
k(192.4.4):hs(tf1)
k(192.5.5):hs(tf3)
k(192.17.17):hs(tf4)

Voon.kcl Loaded to Alt 2 in region 3

Voon
k(74.0.0):hs(tt3)
k(74.4.4):hs(tt1)
k(74.16.16):hs(tt2)
k(74.17.17):hs(tt4)
k(192.0.0):hs(tf3)
k(192.4.4):hs(tf1)
k(192.16.16):hs(tf2)
k(192.17.17):hs(tf4)

Lycoon.kcl Loaded to alt 3 in region4

Lycoon
k(74.0.0):hs(tt4)
k(74.4.4):hs(tt1)
k(74.5.5):hs(tt3)
k(74.16.16):hs(tt2)
k(192.0.0):hs(tt4)
k(192.4.4):hs(tf1)
k(192.5.5):hs(tt3)
k(192.16.16):hs(tt2)

I am going to take some screenies of how I have keyclone set up as well incase that makes more sense.

When I load all the toons up Voon (3) will follow or target but he will spit out a bunch of garbage and the others do nothing. If I PiP to Voon then Maleick(1) will spit out the garbage and the other two still do nothing.

I made sure Keyclone is passing the keys and they on are not on the DNP list. and none of the keys are bound to anything in Warcraft.

Thanks

Maleick

03-21-2009, 07:30 PM

I fixed it. It was the spaces in the macro. It needs to be like

/stopmacro [nomod]
/target [mod:ctrl,mod:shift,nomod:alt,target=Maleick][mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=Nurbok][mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl,target=Voon][mod:ctrl,mod:alt,mod:shift,target=Lycoon]
/follow
/targetlasttarget

I found it reading, thanks!

Pocalypse

03-22-2009, 06:24 PM

I spent some time redoing my setup this morning, and wanted to share the fruits of my labour.

What I did was create all the .kcl keymap files from scratch using excel (or rather, google spreadsheets). I worked out what each key is that I needed (inside the keyclone file itself), and how the modifiers work.

The keys I have setup are 1-8 R T F G V
You can see what the hidden keys for each are in the top left of the spreadsheet.

It's kinda messy, but for those interested I'm sure you can figure it out.

The end result is, I can copy the values in columns P - T into a new text file (one column into each file) name them One.kcl Two.kcl etc, and they work in keyclone.

The spreadsheet is at link ('http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=p65aWFV4XLoglSl6yVepuLA'). Please go to the sheet names keymaps if it doesn't take you there automatically.

The hotstrings are named "key - client"

eg
' - Three
4 - Five
etc

Edit: Hmm, that kinda sucks, you can't see the formulas when viewing. Ah well, the end results are there if anyone wants them.

olipcs

03-23-2009, 11:02 AM

Nice thing Pocalypse,
i think it will help out some keyclone-users quite a bit :) !

Btw.: Do you still use the initial idea of a master - and a slave-keybind in your new setup?
-I'm asking, cause I myself often simply use the same keybind (for example: my 'master' gets '1' my slave 'ctrl+alt+1'), as i often don't have the need for 'solo-bindings'.
-Some other things I changed in my setup, is getting rid of the 'targetless' and using more an 'target-and-hold' approach, which suites my PVE-setup more..

-I find it quite funny, like methods like this can 'evolve' (and sometimes have consequences I would have never guessed, like writing guides, using HKN instead of Keyclone and so on...)

Pocalypse

03-23-2009, 11:25 AM

Yes, I still use the master and slave keybinds, mainly because I use the alt+1, shift+1 and ctrl+1 modifiers for separate abilities.

I've thought a lot of setting up a target and hold approach now that I'm doing instances again. If I can find an easy way to quickly switch between the two methods, I'll probably do it.
I'm mainly waiting on the patch now though, to see what macaroon 3.1 is capable of.

olipcs

03-23-2009, 11:45 AM

Yes, I still use the master and slave keybinds, mainly because I use the alt+1, shift+1 and ctrl+1 modifiers for separate abilities. yeah, i also use alt,ctrl,shift for seperate abilities in my macros, even with using the same master- and slavekeys.
This was one of the main reason for me using HKN, as you can us ralt,rctrl,rshift for the ftl-window-identifiers and lalt,lctr,lalt in the macros...

so for example my hunter dps macro looks like this:

/click MacaroonButton12
/castsequence reset=target/lshift Serpent Sting,Null
/cast [mod:lalt] Multi Shot
/castsequence Explosive Shot, Steady Shot, Steady Shot

with my ftl-targeting-and-hold-macro on MacaroonButton12 being:
/stopmacro [harm,nodead]
/assist [mod:ralt, ... (as ftl-mods as usual)

(In my HKN-Script i would add the following for '2' as my dps button:
<ApplyTemplate FTL "2" "2">
<ApplyTemplate FTL "lshift 2" "lshift 2">
<ApplyTemplate FTL "lalt 2" "lalt 2">
but this is better described here: [HotKeyNet] Implementing an FTL quite simple with templates ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=18139') )

If I can find an easy way to quickly switch between the two methods, I'll probably do it. well, you could use the idea of switching ActionBars combined with the /click in the Macros for this (i do something simmilar to simply chnage between my trash/boss-dps macros).
What I mean is:
Lets say you create a 'paged' bar with macaroon (with only one button), on the first 'page' you create the normale '/assist'-macro on the second the target-and-hold-one (and on the third a focus-based approach for vehicles ;) ). The button should always have the same 'name' so you could simply refer to him in all your dps-macros regardless of which actual 'system' you are using.

Pocalypse

03-23-2009, 11:52 AM

Interesting, I don't know why I thought WoW did not distinguish between left and right modifiers. This opens up a lot of possibilities.

That's a very clean method of switching you have, I'll try it out next time I have some time.

Though I really should just get to 80 before messing with this more :).

olipcs

03-23-2009, 11:57 AM

Interesting, I don't know why I thought WoW did not distinguish between left and right modifiers. Well, this may be, because even WoW can handle lalt/ralt .. perfectly, keyclone can't (and because the majority is using keyclone it somehow got known, as WoW can't)!

Pocalypse

03-23-2009, 12:26 PM

Keyclone distinguishes between lalt and ralt, at least in the keymap settings.

I've never tested to see if this actually works, although I will soon.

olipcs

03-23-2009, 12:35 PM

Jep, in the settings it does, but I think there where several bugreports, that it doesn't send the right key,
like: [Keyclone] Right Alt and Right Shift with keyclone? ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&postID=153438')
and [Keyclone] Modifer bug in keyclone? help ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&postID=142714')
and since there isn't a new version since june 08, I think they are still exists

Pocalypse

03-23-2009, 12:53 PM

I see, that's good to know. Well, I'll still play around with it to see what I can use and what I can't.

Maleick

03-30-2009, 10:28 PM

Hello!

I got my two key setup working just fine for FL Setup (no T) as I used olipcs idea. Everything works fine however I would like to use either Shift or Ctrl as a focus cast modifier, when I set Ctrl or Shift in WoW Interface as focus modifier then everything goes haywire for my Follow and Target buttons. I am using Keyclone in Vista. Here is my Setup perhaps I can change the modifiers to Alt,Ctrl, Alt+Ctrl and I can't come up with a 4th to avoid using Shift so I can use it for the focus casting. Also another thing that confused me is I have Self Cast set to Alt in WoW Interface settings and it works fine. I am running 4 shamans. I like just having the ASSIST Macro and the FOLLOW Macro for now but I want to be able to set a focus to cast heals or CC without losing my target.

Maleick (1) shift - ctrl
Nurbok (2) ctrl - alt
Voon (3) shift - alt
Lycoon (4) shift - ctrl - alt
*TF1-4 = Toon Follow 1-4
*TT1-4 = Toon Target 1-4
FOLLOW MACRO: Bound to " ` " on all toons
/stopmacro [nomod]
/target [mod:shift,mod:ctrl,nomod:alt,target=Maleick] [mod:alt,mod:ctrl,nomod:shift,target=Nurbok] [mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl,target=Voon] [mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl,target=Lycoon]
/follow
/targetlasttarget

ASSIST MACRO: Bound to " J " on all toons
/stopmacro [nomod]
/target [mod:shift,mod:ctrl,nomod:alt,target=Maleick] [mod:alt,mod:ctrl,nomod:shift,target=Nurbok] [mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl,target=Voon] [mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl,target=Lycoon]
/target [target=targettarget]

olipcs

03-31-2009, 03:29 AM

Here are two problems:

1. You are using the same modifier-combination for Voon and Lycoon (alt + shift), this need to be different.

2. What you want is not easy to achive, because you need the modifiers alt,shift,ctrl to identify which toon is leading (because you are using more than 3 toons, and there is no combination for the fourth toon, what you found out...).

What you can do, in theory to achive the above is using a tool which can correctly differentiate between left/right alt/ctrl/shift and define the modifers for your toons like this:

Malerick = lAlt
Nubork = rAlt
Voon = lAlt + rAlt
Lycoon = rAlt + rctrl

now shift is 'free' and you could use it for the 'cast on focus'. (Btw. HKN is a tool which can do this).

On short question at the end:
Wat is the reason you need the 'cast on focus' in your follow and target macro?
What I don't understand here is, what you want to achive by this. -Could you describe what you want to happen when you press the 'cast on focus'-modifier and the follow/target macro?

tivaly

04-08-2009, 02:22 PM

I just wanted to say Thanks!!!!!!! I read this entire thread at work, and couldn't wait to try it at home. I have to admit to not being great at all this stuff, and I was able to get it set up. I can now follow and use lightning. I will set up the rest tonight. I never would have thought to use strings or binds like this. I love the set up. Thanks again for sharing. :P

Hybrid1987

04-11-2009, 05:00 AM

Hi iv been reading up on ur hotstrings idea and i cannot get mine to work. my toons are called toonaa/toonbb/tooncc/toondd so i would not have to alter macro much.

My follow macro in particular;
/target [mod:ctrl,mod:shift,nomod:alt,target=Toonaa] [mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=Toonbb] [mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl,target=Tooncc] [mod:ctrl,mod:alt,mod:shift,target=Toondd]
/follow
/targetlasttarget

My toons are running the same strings as urs; with different hidden macro key "-" (next to =+ is the silent macro key)

` --> FOA
Ctrl-alt - --> FOB
Alt-Shift - --> FOC
Ctrl-Alt-Shift - --> FOD

ToonB:

Ctrl-Shift - --> FOA
` --> FOB
Alt-Shift - --> FOC
Ctrl-Alt-Shift - --> FOD

ToonC:

Ctrl-Shift - --> FOA
Ctrl-alt - --> FOB
` --> FOC
Ctrl-Alt-Shift - --> FOD
Ctrl - --> FOE

ToonD:

Ctrl-Shift - --> FOA
Ctrl-alt - --> FOB
Alt-Shift - --> FOC
` --> FOD

The funny thing is toon B can lead toon A but not the other way around... what am i missing here?

tivaly

04-13-2009, 08:20 PM

I am no expert, I just got up and running this week, but my problems were with my macros and not with my strings. One time, I had an extra / in the macro.

I also had shift I macroed to pet attack on some characters but not others, so it worked on half of them, but not the rest. Once I got rid of that, then they all worked perfectly.

Hybrid1987

04-14-2009, 07:54 AM

After a great deal of playing i figgured out that i was running a bad macro. TY for your help. but mainly for this thread. It quite literaly contains anything you need to know about the FTL method. I personaly find no use for the Targetless part. (i intend on arenaing, but once a flame shok is up x4 on a target... i don't think who im aiming on is going to be a suprise. Lol)

whitechapel

05-02-2009, 01:28 PM

After searching through a bunch of pages within this thread I have been unable to find an answer so I thought I'd ask. I'm using a four shammy set up and I'm copying the examples on the first page sans the fifth line referring to toon E (in both the Hotstring and Macro). I have set this up successfully on my 5 Warlock Set Up where it worked well but now I wish to use it on my mains. The key stroke is being set up properly as I can see it being sent to my slaves only they aren't responding. They won't follow OR cast lightning bolt.

I have a feeling this has to do with the macro but I am unsure. The example of my hotstring for toon A is:

2 --> LBAT
Ctrl-alt-] --> LBBT
Alt-Shift-] --> LBCT
Ctrl-Alt-Shift-] --> LBDT

and for the macro:

/target [mod:ctrl,mod:shift,nomod:alt,target=ToonA]
[mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=ToonB]
[mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl,target=ToonC]
[mod:ctrl,mod:alt,mod:shift,target=ToonD]
/cast [target=targettarget,harm] Lightning Bolt
/targetlasttarget

Do I need to alter anything? Why do my hotstring/macros not work with a four shammy set up? Help. :(

EDIT: Got follow to now work, can't get my shammies to cast Lightning Bolt though.

tinit5190

05-06-2009, 02:03 AM

I tried that a while back as well, but now I use:
/assist [mod:ctrl,mod:shift,nomod:alt,target=ToonA]
[mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=ToonB]
[mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl,target=ToonC]
[mod:ctrl,mod:alt,mod:shift,target=ToonD]
/cast Lightning Bolt
/targetlasttarget

It worked much better for me this way. Was quicker response time as well.

Eldi

06-27-2009, 02:58 AM

ok so i get the ingame stuff but i dont understand the hotstring or how to put it into keyclone or what to type in keyclone nuthin plz help im confused

CShadowRun

07-13-2009, 10:26 AM

I reworked this macro a bit so i only require one key per spell

/target [mod:ctrl,mod:shift,nomod:alt,target=ToonA][mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=ToonB][mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl,target=ToonC][mod:ctrl,mod:alt,mod:shift,target=ToonD][mod:ctrl,nomod:alt,nomod:shift,target=ToonE]
/cast [mod,target=targettarget,harm][nomod] Lightning Bolt
/targetlasttarget [mod]

On the active toon when you press 2
It won't target anyone because no modifiers are held (thus you keep your target)
It'll /cast on your current target
It won't targetlasttarget because no mod is held.

On non-active toons
It will target the active toon
Cast on his target
Then target last target

The hotstrings setup is just like the first page except you use 2 instead of ]
2 --> LBAT
Ctrl-alt-2 --> LBBT
Alt-Shift-2 --> LBCT
Ctrl-Alt-Shift-2 --> LBDT
Ctrl-2 --> LBET

The downside to this is that the key has to be completely unbound (even with modifiers), but the upside is you get your ] back :)

Gurblash

07-13-2009, 10:36 AM

Completely OT and unrelated to anything BUT:

CS!!! WTF are you doin here? I didn't know you even played wow anymore. Good to see ya back active.

CShadowRun

07-13-2009, 12:24 PM

Completely OT and unrelated to anything BUT:

CS!!! WTF are you doin here? I didn't know you even played wow anymore. Good to see ya back active.hehe, having some fun and messing about a bit, i play on and off :)

Vantalim

08-07-2009, 06:53 PM

Ok, there must be something really really basic that Im missing out on.
I understand the theory, and I have set up keymaps and macros...
But what is the hotstrings actually refering to? When I write LBAT, where is it getting read?
Should the name of the macro be LBAT or something?
I feel stupid now... but Im really new to this and have tried to figure it out for like 2 days now :P
Thanx

Flekkie

08-07-2009, 08:47 PM

I was trying to help someone else understand it here:
http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?p=218036#post218036

Hopefully it will be useful to you Vantalim - personally I had to figure it out for myself, other people's explanations were just confusing to me.

Occam's Razor

08-15-2009, 07:26 PM

Can someone fix the Wiki for this?
None of the links work, they just bring you to the index page.

I'm trying to find the bit about using hotkeynet in an FTL setup, but haven't found it using search yet

Pocalypse

08-15-2009, 07:43 PM

I fixed those that I could find the new links for. Unfortunately the forum search here didn't turn up all the links, and google search still gives the old ones too.

I'll try fixing the rest again later.

Occam's Razor

08-15-2009, 09:43 PM

olipcs

08-17-2009, 04:29 AM

I'm trying to find the bit about using hotkeynet in an FTL setup, but haven't found it using search yet Sorry, I forgot to fix the links in the HotkeyNet-Guide-Sticky.
Here they are:

Implementing an FTL quite simple with templates (http://www.dual-boxing.com/showpost.php?p=161635)

and one specific example:
I need an FTL mentor :/ (http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?t=16012)

Twyman

10-07-2009, 11:20 PM

someone please help :(

I have been working on this for DAYS and I can not get this FTL system to work.

My KeyMaps are:

Toon 1
Description -----------------------> Twymana (Shammy)
2 -------------------------------------> LBAT
RCTRL+RALT+2 ----------------> LBBT
RSHIFT+RALT+2 ---------------> LBCT
RSHIFT+RCTRL+RALT+2 ---> LBDT
RCTRL+2 -------------------------> LBET

text file
Twymana (Shammy)
k(50.0.0):hs(LBAT)
k(50.8.8):hs(LBET)
k(50.34.34):hs(LBCT)
k(50.40.40):hs(LBBT)
k(50.42.42):hs(LBDT)

Toon 2
Description -----------------------> Twymanb (Shammy)
RSHIFT+RCTRL+2 -------------> LBAT
2 -------------------------------------> LBBT
RSHIFT+RALT+2 ---------------> LBCT
RSHIFT+RCTRL+RALT+2 ---> LBDT
RCTRL+2 -------------------------> LBET

text file
Twymanb (Shammy)
k(50.0.0):hs(LBBT)
k(50.8.8):hs(LBET)
k(50.10.10):hs(LBAT)
k(50.34.34):hs(LBCT)
k(50.42.42):hs(LBDT)

Toon 3
Description -----------------------> Twymanc (Shammy)
RSHIFT+RCTRL+2 -------------> LBAT
RCTRL+RALT+2 ----------------> LBBT
2 -------------------------------------> LBCT
RSHIFT+RCTRL+RALT+2 ---> LBDT
RCTRL+2 -------------------------> LBET

text file
Twymanc (Shammy)
k(50.0.0):hs(LBCT)
k(50.8.8):hs(LBET)
k(50.10.10):hs(LBAT)
k(50.40.40):hs(LBBT)
k(50.42.42):hs(LBDT)

Toon 4
Description -----------------------> Twymand (Shammy)
RSHIFT+RCTRL+2 -------------> LBAT
RCTRL+RALT+2 ----------------> LBBT
RSHIFT+RALT+2 ---------------> LBCT
2 -------------------------------------> LBDT
RCTRL+2 -------------------------> LBET

text file
Twymand (Shammy)
k(50.0.0):hs(LBDT)
k(50.8.8):hs(LBET)
k(50.10.10):hs(LBAT)
k(50.34.34):hs(LBCT)
k(50.40.40):hs(LBBT)

Toon 5
Description -----------------------> Twymane (Shammy)
RSHIFT+RCTRL+2 -------------> LBAT
RCTRL+RALT+2 ----------------> LBBT
RSHIFT+RALT+2 ---------------> LBCT
RSHIFT+RCTRL+RALT+2 ---> LBDT
2 -------------------------------------> LBET

text file
Twymane (Shammy)
k(50.0.0):hs(LBET)
k(50.10.10):hs(LBAT)
k(50.34.34):hs(LBCT)
k(50.40.40):hs(LBBT)
k(50.42.42):hs(LBDT)

I have loaded the Keymap into the WoW app within Keyclone (Toon 1 to WoW 1, Toon 2 to WoW 2 and so on) (Toon 2 and 3 are on computer 2) ( Toon 4 and 5 are on computer 3)

I have unbound all forms of Alt, Ctrl, Shift, + 2 within each toons keybindings

I have created 5 macros (1 for each toon) and placed then in the number 2 spot on each toon

here is the Macro i used (note: i am using mages to test out this system even though the description of the keymaps say shammy)

/target [mod:ctrl,mod:shift,nomod:alt,target=Twymana][mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=Twymanb][mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl,target=Twymanc][mod:ctrl,mod:alt,mod:shift,target=Twymand][mod:ctrl,nomod:alt,nomod:shift,target=Twymane]
/cast [mod,target=targettarget,harm][nomod] Fireball
/targetlasttarget [mod]

I can cast on the main screen when i push 2 but the slaves do not cast, i can hold down Ctrl+Shift+2 and all the slaves will cast on the mains target but then the main does not cast. When i hit Alt, Shift or Control, i can see the macro icon change from the fireball to a "?". Any help you could pass along would be very appreciated.

Pocalypse

10-08-2009, 04:42 AM

Unless something has changed recently, right/left alt and right/left ctrl do not work correctly in keyclone. If I remember correctly, it had trouble sending right modifiers across machines, and converts them to left ones even on the same machine.

Try switching your keymaps from right modifiers to left modifiers.

Based on what you said and examples you gave, the problem isn't in wow, so it has to be that keyclone isn't sending the correct keys. However, apart from using right modifiers, I can't see anything else wrong with your keymaps.

Boxor

11-20-2009, 07:18 PM

I've spent a couple of days trying to get FTL working on my three computers. Using one example in "very" long sticky I was finally able to get a dual box setup working using FTL.

I believe I'm going to stick with a very simple FL setup though in order to do PVE content and to minimize the work on swaps and subs.

However, I cannot figure how to just do a simple five man FL setup. There are so many setups that people are talking about, trying, etc. in the sticky and the old links are still referenced so I cannot find a simple example of such a setup. I can't figure out the matching of the Modifier key to use and the appropriate macro to pick up the modifers.

Five toons, ToonA, ToonB, ToonC, ToonD, ToonE.

For follow I'm using the "-" (minus) key.
On computer one, I'm using:

- -> follow.toonA
LALT - -> follow.toonB

On computer two, I'm using:
- -> follow.toonB
LCTRL - -> follow.toonA

On both computers, mapped to a macro with the "-" key assigned to it, I've got the following macro:

/target [mod:ctrl,nomod:shift,nomod:alt,target=ToonB] [nomod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=ToonA]

It works great, but I just don't know how to expand it out to control five characters. I think if I can just get the follow setup down, I'll be able to do the Assist. Can anyone please assist?

And BTW, you guys that figured all this out must be some kind of damn genius' or something. I'm just a hardware guy. I think if I can't figure this out, I'm just gonna fork out a billion bucks to upgrade a single machine to a computing monster in order to use an ISOBoxer setup.

TheFallenOne

11-20-2009, 08:34 PM

You have the right idea, you just need to expand it to work with 5 toons instead of 2. :)

First, before I explain how to do that, I would highly recommend (since I got frustrated and had to redo all of my things and discovered it's much easier to do this off the bat) using RCTRL and RALT instead of LCTRL and LALT, and then differentiate between left and right modifiers in macros. This will let you use left ctrl/alt/shift for modifiers in macros (for instance, LALT+3 casts Cone of Cold and just 3 casts Arcane Explosion on my mages). You'll run out of keys in a hurry without modifier keys available. :)

Now! First, for 5 characters, you need to assign a modifier key (or a unique combination of them) to each toon. For me, I used:

Toon 1: RALT
Toon 2: RCTRL
Toon 3: RSHIFT
Toon 4: RALT + RCTRL
Toon 5: RCTRL + RSHIFT

You also still have RALT+RSHIFT and RALT + RSHIFT + RCTRL available. If you plan on using more than 7 toons, you *can* use the left modifiers as well, but as mentioned above, I'd recommend against it.

Setup all of these keys as you did with your follow.toonA and follow.toonB hotkeys you mentioned in your post, you had these right.

Now, setup two macros (I use the Jamba addon which, using the FTL assist tool, makes these for me, but you can do it manually), one for targeting the current leader and one for assisting. Don't forget to replace Toon1, Toon2, etc. with the toon names!

Target:
/target [mod:ralt,nomod:rshift,nomod:rctrl] Toon1; [nomod:ralt,nomod:rshift,mod:rctrl] Toon2; [nomod:ralt,mod:rshift,nomod:rctrl] Toon3; [mod:ralt,nomod:rshift,nomod:rctrl] Toon4; [nomod:ralt,mod:rshift,mod:rctrl] Toon5

Assist:
/assist [mod:ralt,nomod:rshift,nomod:rctrl] Toon1; [nomod:ralt,nomod:rshift,mod:rctrl] Toon2; [nomod:ralt,mod:rshift,nomod:rctrl] Toon3; [mod:ralt,nomod:rshift,nomod:rctrl] Toon4; [nomod:ralt,mod:rshift,mod:rctrl] Toon5

Put these in the same spot on the action bar on all the toons. Preferrably on one of the action bars off to the side, that you don't have keys bound to, like the right action bar.

Now that all the toons have those macros on a spot on an action bar, setup this macro on your MAIN toon and temporarily bind it to a key:

/run ChatFrame1:AddMessage(GetMouseFocus():GetName())

Move your mouse over your newly created Target button on the action bar and use the macro you just added. It should output the name of the button into your chat frame. Do the same for your Assist button. Write these names down.

Now you can setup your actual DPS and support buttons! Here's some sample macros. Remember to replace "TargetButton" and "AssistButton" with the names of the button you found just a second ago:

FOLLOW MACRO:
/click TargetButton
/follow

LIGHTNING BOLT MACRO:
/click AssistButton
/cast [harm] Lightning Bolt

PULL MACRO (This will only be cast by the current leader as he's the only one that will have no modifiers passed in):
/cast [harm,nomod:ralt,nomod:rshift,nomod:rctrl] Avenger's Shield

FADE MACRO (This will be used by all toons other than the current leader, since they will have a mod passed in):
/cast [mod:ralt] [mod:rshift] [mod:rctrl] Fade

Hopefully that helped. With any luck, that should get you well on your way. :) Feel free to ask if you have any more questions!

I'd also highly recommend downloading Jamba. It makes all of this, including managing macros on multiple toons, incredibly easy. Follow strobing is a godsend!

Boxor

11-20-2009, 10:32 PM

Thank you very much! I'll start working this and see if I can make it happen.

Boxor

11-21-2009, 11:57 AM

Screw it. I just cannot get this shit to work. I just cannot adequately describe the amount of frustration I have from trying to get this to work.

I'm not an idiot. I have years of experience in the Army working with "systems." Electronics, hydraulics, computers... it's not all that hard really when you have "GOOD" documentation. By good documentation I mean schematics, flow processes, etc. to explain to technicians how things work.

The engineers that made the Air Defense systems that I worked on were really good. They used tons of technology to make these fine tools of war. Heat sensing and/or radar guided shit to blow up planes to deal out death and chaos for the enemy. The engineers were genius', but it all comes down to the guy out in the field to fix it when it breaks. To do that the Army gives the technicians great tools such as the aforementioned schematics, flow processes, etc.

The problem I have with this setup is that there is hardly any documentation for Keyclone. Granted, there are whole sections of this website dedicated to Keyclone, but the bulk of it is not from Rob, the author, it's from other guys like Rob (whom I equate to code guys or an engineer) that have the same type of background as Rob and can figure this shit out.

I get macros. There are tons of web pages out there that go into crazy detail about how macros work. (As a side note, there are many that are based on older versions of WoW that are no longer applicable and so are no longer pertinent and thus more frustrating) I get simple mindless passing of keys, white list, black list, strict, etc...

What I don't get is about the other 85% of Keyclone's capabilities. To me, this is a damn shame because it's obvious that several users have figured out the other stuff... You guys are the engineers... the code guys. You are not the end users like me and probably 99% of the other users.

Because of that, I believe that we 99% of the users will eventually give up on the more complex side of WoW multi-boxing. PVE instances require a lot of shit. I don't believe anyone doubts that. :) I believe the FTL setup is that key requirement. Why? Because I've done enough raiding with a solo toon to know that the use of the FOCUS system is a critical component. As a warlock in many raids, I had to use focus for banishing targets quickly without having to do a bunch of re-targeting to keep up required dps. So we must have a focus-less setup in order to have slaves use focus.

Now, in all truth (for those naysayers who will always troll the forums to share their negativity) you don't have to have a FTL setup to run an instance because you can write all your macros and do all your shit using a tank as your main means of control. Always have the DPS assisting the mains while you use focus as needed for CC. This is what I've been doing with a lot of success. However, it's the transition between raiding with the need for a FTL system and normal questing on the outside not requiring a FTL system. A simple focus system is great for just mindlessly running around killing mobs and doing collection quests. I don't do PvP or Arena PvP to know what is needed most for those systems (nor do I care) but I'm sure it's one of the two aforementioned setups or yet another variant.

When I got out of the Army I worked with a Web Based type search engine used in the Army to help located needed parts to help expedite repairing equipment. It was great, the soldiers loved it. One of my main functions in the job was to work as the middle man between the programmers (mostly oracle guys) and the end users. I had to help the end users understand the program for them to best be able to use it's advanced capabilities (think macros and stuff like that) but also to help the programmers add such capabilities based on the end users needs. Programmers understand programming and end users understood maintenance and supply methods used by the Army. Both had to follow the rules of the other. When needed, I wrote the documentation for the end users and technicians to be able to understand the more complex capabilities.

To be good in that job, I had two things, documentation and direct access to the programmers at any given time. I could read about processes and when needed, call somebody up and talk about it more.

Those resources don't exist in this Multi-Boxing world. These forums supply a little of that, but it's not the same... These pages are full of old information based on previous versions, questions from users, advice from users and now and then those golden nuggets of information from guys like Pocalypse and Deceased who help other users figure out stuff.

So whose the loser in all of this? Well me and the other 99% of the users who can't figure the shit out. But more importantly, Keyclone and other great programs to help the sport are the losers. To site some examples... JAMBA and ISBoxer.

You guys that write these programs... you are fucking genius' when it comes to code. I give you Kudo's to the n'th degree on your ability to write code that meshes with WoW. Lord knows I bet you didn't have a lot of good guides when it came to figuring out the intricacies of WoW. But you can't write documentation for you own programs for shit.

ISBoxer works great on a single machine. If you're running a single machine, you are good to go. If you run ISBoxer on multiple machines, it takes a code guru to figure it out. Yeah, I've been pointed to the website that supposedly lays this all out for you... more forums stuff... no real documentation.

JAMBA. Great damn program... but again, 90% of the capabilites will never be used because they aren't documented enough. The guy that writes JAMBA at least provides his work for free so I can't bitch at all. If it's free and if I can't figure it out... Hey, that's on me. I'd pay you for it if you had better documentation. lol

I (personally) believe in paying for a good thing. When I first started multiboxing, I paid for KAVOOM to use as a software KVM for multiple systems. I now use Input Director which is free, but I sent the guy who wrote it 25 bucks because I love it. I'd like to send him a 100 bucks because I think it's worth it, but I'm being cheap so I can buy more hardware.

So to get to the end of this massive post... What the hell is this guy raving at? I wish there was better documentation for Keyclone and other programs used by multi-boxers. It would be so good.

/end rant

Thank you to all of you who take the time to share your experience and tips to the rest of the world. I love you all. It's now time for me to go do something else for a while. I have to go on poop patrol in my backyard for my three dogs and then I'm going to work on my dirt bike a little and go riding with some friends. :) Please excuse any grammatical errors I might have made as I was in mindless rage during the writing of this post and I am not going to read it again to make sure it's correct. :cool:

Ualaa

11-22-2009, 04:34 AM

I'd put myself in a similar category, I'm smarter then most people I know, at least at things like mathematics, memory, english, spelling etc. (still do lots of typo's)..

I can follow quite a bit of the keymap/hotstrings for the FTL, but could not quite get it to work. It got a bit frustrating, so I eventually decided on the no focus manifesto, because that's basically macros entirely, which are easy to follow and adapt.

One of the big selling points for IS Boxer was automatic FTL. Just check some boxes during set up, which use modifiers on three premade keymaps. You can freely use all the modifiers you want in all other macros, without interfering with the FTL.

Having used FTL from ISB, its definitely worth having.

Iceorbz

11-22-2009, 05:42 AM

If im in chat you need help with FTL hit me up, ive used it on both Keyclone and IS.

I actualy have a keyclone FTL setup for shamans in my signature that you can follow along with to.

Boxor

11-22-2009, 08:06 PM

Hey,

When ya can't figure out, throw more money at it. :)

Last night I ordered my new i7/i5 mobo with an i5 processor and 8 gigs of ram along with two new video cards for my first ever SLI setup. I agree that ISBoxer is very easy to setup the FTL configuration. I kind of hate to lose my five monitor setup, but if that's what it takes.

What surprises is me though is that no one offers a service to help people out with stuff like this. I get Spugnort emails every Tuesday telling about upcoming changes and stuff. They're always pushing their leveling guides or PvP guides, or Instance guides. Somebody should throw in with a group like that and sell a service to help setup MB configurations.

The user sends in the names of all his toons, the computer configuration that he/she uses and they write all the configuration stuff needed to make it work. Hell, I'd spend 30 or 40 bucks for something like that. After a few customers, they'd have enough templates to where they could probably knock one out in quick order.

Boxor

olipcs

11-23-2009, 06:05 AM

Hi Boxor,

first of all, sorry, that you couldn't get it working.
If you look into this thread, you can see, that in the beginning of the FTL I realy tryed to help people get it running, but although the first implementation of an FTL was for keyclone, it is not the easiest to setup for an ftl, because of how you have to setup the hotkeys.

Although I know, that reading the long thread, and getting the right informations, is not easy, because, when this thread was posted, it wasn't ment as a guide but as an idea/first implementation of a 'new' targeting system, and from this thread the idea evolved and was shaped...

.. this was one of the reasons, why i tryed to compile some informations about the FTL in the Wiki (see my sig), so that it is easier to find. I know the thread is not realy well structured, a little outdatet and needs an revision, but you need to cut some slack here, since this is not my day-to-day-job.

I admit, that I myself at sometime didn'T supported using keyclone for an ftl, which was, because I transitioned to HKN. This was because of two reasons:

- I realy didn't liked how you nedd to setup hotstrings in keyclone (It was a mess to do it, and a real mess, if to help people with)
- Keyclone didn't support ralt,rctrl,rshift-correctly

So my focus went from keyclone to HKN so I began to implement FTL-Templates for HKN, which normaly simply get copied. I think the Templates work quite good, and that they are quite a good start for ftl-beginners.

With that, for myself I lay the basic to support an FTL on the software-front, because with the combination of:

- HKN beeing free
- Templates which mostly can be copied
- Simple bebugging/helping, because of HKN beeing a Script-Language, so that everybody can simple show their script to get support
- A HKN general guide

..a foundation was there to get an FTL working quick and helping other easy.

What was missing was an ingame macro-button-support. To help with the macortrouble.

This I added with the JambaFTL-Modul, so that creating an assist and Follow-Button is realy easy, and reacting on Team-Changing is simple.

So honestly, when I see what you realy want:

So to get to the end of this massive post... What the hell is this guy raving at? I wish there was better documentation for Keyclone and other programs used by multi-boxers. It would be so good.

I can see your point, and I might say, that keyclone could be better documented (especialy for ftl) and that better documentations would be nice, but since my favorite solution of HKN + Jamba is both free (and IS probably don't need more docu since ftl is quite simple in it), I absolutly cut Jafula an Freddie some slack, since they already put quite a lot of time in projects, where they have no real monetary gain.

And for myself, which I would consider as someone who nows a little about FTL, I tried to do some good for the community by:

- Writting the FTL wiki entry (http://www.dual-boxing.com/wiki/index.php/Focusless_Targetless_Leaderless_Setup )
- Helping setting up an FTL (in the beginning with keyclone, now with HKN)
- Writing HKN-FTL-Templates ( http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?t=17555 )
- Writing the JambaFTL-Module ( http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?t=23377 )
(Writting the general HKN-Guide: http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?t=16177 )

So honestly, all of this was quite time consuming and I did it mostly because I wanted to give something back to a community which gave me alot of information, give something back to Freddie for HKN and do something nice for JAMBA.

And to get to one of your points:

To be good in that job, I had two things, documentation and direct access to the programmers at any given time. I could read about processes and when needed, call somebody up and talk about it more.For me its like this:
- Yes for keyclone there might be a gap of documentation, but for HKN and IS I think there realy is enough on this board
- When it comes to 'talking to the programmers' - All of them are frequently on this board, and can be contacted per PM or Chat, so I see no point here.

And to get this to the end:
I personaly think, that I kept quite a good balance of taking-and-giving.

And to try to help you:
If you have problems with an FTL, feel free to ask me any question.

Boxor

11-23-2009, 09:45 PM

Oplics,

You are one of those that I say thank you to for taking your time and trying to help others. It really is the whole lack of documentation thing that bothers me. Maybe you should offer a MB setup service like I mentioned in another post. Make some money and help people out.

And I also greatly appreciate the time that all of the other modders take to provide great addons like Jamba.

Boxor

olipcs

11-25-2009, 04:57 AM

Hi Boxor,

sorry, I think you got me on the wrong foot on monday morning. Somehow I felt the need to explain myself....

..as for offering 'configuration' as a service, well on the one hand for me MB is still a hobby and I like to keep it that way. And on the other hand english is not my nativ language, and i'm not living in the US (and already have a job), so I'm not the perfect person for the job ;)

...but all of this, doesn't realy fix your FTL-problem, so if you still wan'T to get your FTL running, I'm glad to help, simply say where the specific problems are.

And if you might want to consider of trying HKN out (which is realy well documentet and free, and can work with multiple pcs easy) for this, I think I can get you running quite fast.

For that, to give you a good starting script the following infos would be great:

- Numbers of PCs to use and their IPs
- How many WoWs on which pc, startet from which directory
- Screen resolutions
- Which keys you want to broadcast normaly (like in keyclone)
- Which keys to use for ftl...

Emo?

11-25-2009, 06:43 AM

Very nice, all is working for me exept one problem.

I use ur system and have "pass only hotstrings" ON (ie. i have binded all buttons to hotstrings that i whant to be sent ingame). But when i cast for example frost shock (Shift+4) my slaved enters like a "shift-state" and then i need to press some "shift-spell" again to make them come out of it. If i dont press like frost shock again, they wont cast ANY normal spells, only "shift+" ones.
What is my problem and how can i solve it?

Best regards.

olipcs

11-25-2009, 07:02 AM

What is my problem and how can i solve it?
-Honestly I have no Idea how to fix this, but since it seems to be an Issue with keyclone itself, and not directly FTL related, you might have more luck, of getting help, by posting this in a sepperate thread, or asking rob per PM, because so the Keyclone-Gurus will better find your questions.

Emo?

11-25-2009, 07:20 AM

ok il try that. Thanks

v1rgo

01-26-2010, 08:48 PM

Okay so to start this out i already use AHK, and Keyclone, but i would like to use this and i cant figure out what you are talking about, what is a hotstring?

You then make the following hotstrings, you'll need 5 per character per spell.

ToonA:

2 --> LBAT
Ctrl-alt-] --> LBBT
Alt-Shift-] --> LBCT
Ctrl-Alt-Shift-] --> LBDT
Ctrl-] --> LBET

ToonB:

Ctrl-Shift-] --> LBAT
2 --> LBBT
Alt-Shift-] --> LBCT
Ctrl-Alt-Shift-] --> LBDT
Ctrl-] --> LBET

ToonC:

Ctrl-Shift-] --> LBAT
Ctrl-alt-] --> LBBT
2 --> LBCT
Ctrl-Alt-Shift-] --> LBDT
Ctrl-] --> LBET

ToonD:

Ctrl-Shift-] --> LBAT
Ctrl-alt-] --> LBBT
Alt-Shift-] --> LBCT
2 --> LBDT
Ctrl-] --> LBET

ToonE:

Ctrl-Shift-] --> LBAT
Ctrl-alt-] --> LBBT
Alt-Shift-] --> LBCT
Ctrl-Alt-Shift-] --> LBDT
2 --> LBET

i get the jist of it but what do i do with this? i know how to use macros but i'm lost at this point... anyone here also play on Neverendless and know which addons work for the ui? my xperl broke at the last update they did with it

IngeniusV3

05-02-2010, 01:28 PM

Ok, I have keyclone, and I am trying to dual-box, but this is confusing to me... Could someone tell me step-by-step what to do?

alfa

06-02-2010, 04:00 AM

is there a keyclone key file example ?

Owltoid

06-02-2010, 09:58 AM

Get ISBoxer. It automatically sets up FTL for you and is quite simply amazing. I used HKN for a long time, and I love the program, but ISBoxer blows everything out of the water, especially Keyclone (which has trouble with mouse broadcasting).

Nossi

07-06-2010, 03:02 PM

Hello people,

i also tried to bring the ftl-script to work, but it isnt really running correct yet. I Box 4 shaman.

My problem with the LB for example is that not all Toons are working together, only two Toons like to work together:

When Toon A casts, Toon B also casts, but C and D arent casting
When Toon B casts, Toon A also does, C and D arent casting

When Toon C casts, only Toon B also does
When Toon D casts, only Toon C cast with him

It took me 12hours to get so far, but i cant find the mistakes i made.

Here is what i have done, maybe you can analyse that:

1. All my Toons got the LB from the spellbook on "1"
2. All my Toons got the exactly following macro at the button "substract" (Minus on Numpad)

/target [mod:ctrl,mod:shift,target=Toon A][mod:shift,target=ToonB][mod:ctrl,target=ToonC][mod:alt,target=ToonD]
/cast [target=targettarget,harm] lightning bolt (rang 14)
/targetlasttarget

(I also tried the version with all the nonmod -> exactly the same problem with that)

3. Following Keymaps:

Toon A:

description: his name

1 >> LBAT
LSHIFT+SUBTRACT >> LBBT
LCTRL+SUBTRACT >> LBCT
LALT+SUBTRACT >> LBDT

Toon B:

description: his name

1 >> LBBT
LCTRL+SUBTRACT >> LBCT
LSHIFT+LCTRL+SUBTRACT >> LBAT
LALT+SUBTRACT >> LBDT

Toon C:

description: his name

1 >> LBCT
LSHIFT+SUBTRACT >> LBBT
LSHIFT+LCTRL+SUBTRACT >> LBAT
LALT+SUBTRACT >> LBDT

Toon D:

description: his name

1 >> LBDT
LSHIFT+SUBTRACT >> LBBT
LCTRL+SUBTRACT >> LBCT
LSHIFT+LCTRL+SUBTRACT >>LBAT

Please help me and eycuse the bad english.

davidwillson

10-18-2010, 07:52 AM

heya m8y :) great writeup ^^ and thx for adding me into it :thumbsup:

I'll be adding a few things to this thread at some point so that others can test it out :P (seeing as some ppl are lazyer then me! :P )

also I'd also like to thank keyclone for helping me through the keymapping stuff :) u rule m8!

�

EDIT1: I think i've found a solution for the 255 character limit with the macros ur using :)

for toonA you don't require the first line of targeting, toonB doesn't need the second etc.. so:

ToonA:

/target [mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=ToonB]
[mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl,target=ToonC]
[mod:ctrl,mod:alt,mod:shift,target=ToonD]
[mod:ctrl,nomod:alt,nomod:shift,target=ToonE]
/cast [target=targettarget,harm] Lightning Bolt
/targetlasttarget

ToonB:

/target [mod:ctrl,mod:shift,nomod:alt,target=ToonA]
[mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl,target=ToonC]
[mod:ctrl,mod:alt,mod:shift,target=ToonD]
[mod:ctrl,nomod:alt,nomod:shift,target=ToonE]
/cast [target=targettarget,harm] Lightning Bolt
/targetlasttarget

ToonC:

/target [mod:ctrl,mod:shift,nomod:alt,target=ToonA]
[mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=ToonB]
[mod:ctrl,mod:alt,mod:shift,target=ToonD]
[mod:ctrl,nomod:alt,nomod:shift,target=ToonE]
/cast [target=targettarget,harm] Lightning Bolt
/targetlasttarget

ToonD:

/target [mod:ctrl,mod:shift,nomod:alt,target=ToonA]
[mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=ToonB]
[mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl,target=ToonC]
[mod:ctrl,nomod:alt,nomod:shift,target=ToonE]
/cast [target=targettarget,harm] Lightning Bolt
/targetlasttarget

and toonE:

/target [mod:ctrl,mod:shift,nomod:alt,target=ToonA]
[mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=ToonB]
[mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl,target=ToonC]
[mod:ctrl,mod:alt,mod:shift,target=ToonD]
/cast [target=targettarget,harm] Lightning Bolt
/targetlasttarget

keymaps will be the same, but the only issue there is that you wont be able to simply copy/paste the same macro in for all the toons (ie you'll have to change it slightly for each)

Will be adding a little more in future ^^

�
this sounds like a great idea, but i dont just want to switch leaders, i need the new leader to switch to my mains screen cause the others are so small i cant see anything on them most of the time.

blast3r

10-18-2010, 08:01 AM

ISBoxer...seriously. FTL is so easy with ISB it isn't even funny. You can basically drop a spell on the bars and all toons will cast it at whatever you target. For me, it was complicated to setup because I didn't quite understand it but once it clicked...wow.

I deleted everything I had setup previously...keyclone mappings and macros, wtf older, interface folder...started fresh with isboxer.

Sorry this isn't a direct answer to your post.

PineBeach

10-20-2010, 09:39 PM

Based on other posts in the thread, I have made the following script fragment for HKN, since my hand is always hovering around the wasd keys I assigned it to the "`" key which on my keyboard is right next to the "1" key

//-----------------------------------------------------------
// Hotkey: Oem8 Follow the active window
//-----------------------------------------------------------
<Hotkey Oem8>
<If ActiveWinIs WoW1>
<SendLabel w2, w3, w4, w5>
<Key ctrl Oem6>
<Else If ActiveWinIs WoW2>
<SendLabel w1, w3, w4, w5>
<Key alt Oem6>
<Else>
<DoHotKey Hotkey NumLockOn Alt Ctrl Shift Oem8>
<EndIf>
<Hotkey NumLockOn Alt Ctrl Shift Oem8>
<If ActiveWinIs WoW3>
<SendLabel w1, w2, w4, w5>
<Key shift Oem6>
<Else If ActiveWinIs WoW4>
<SendLabel w1, w2, w3, w5>
<Key ctrl alt Oem6>
<Else>
<SendLabel w1, w2, w3, w4>
<Key ctrl shift Oem6>
<EndIf>

In WOW I created a character specific macro called "TargetMyFriend"

You can substitute C1, C2, C3, C4 and C5 with your character names.

Character 1 (C1) "TargetMyFriend"

/target [nomod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=C2] [nomod:ctrl,nomod:alt,mod:shift,target=C3] [mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=C4] [nomod:alt,mod:ctrl,mod:shift,target=C5]

Character 2 (C2) "TargetMyFriend"

/target [mod:ctrl,nomod:alt,nomod:shift,target=C1] [nomod:ctrl,nomod:alt,mod:shift,target=C3] [mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=C4] [nomod:alt,mod:ctrl,mod:shift,target=C5]

Character 3 (C3) "TargetMyFriend"

/target [mod:ctrl,nomod:alt,nomod:shift,target=C1] [nomod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=C2] [mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=C4] [nomod:alt,mod:ctrl,mod:shift,target=C5]
/follow

Character 4 (C4) "TargetMyFriend"

/target [mod:ctrl,nomod:alt,nomod:shift,target=C1] [nomod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=C2] [nomod:ctrl,nomod:alt,mod:shift,target=C3] [nomod:alt,mod:ctrl,mod:shift,target=C4]

Character 5 (C5) "TargetMyFriend"

/target [mod:ctrl,nomod:alt,nomod:shift,target=C1] [nomod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=C2] [nomod:ctrl,nomod:alt,mod:shift,target=C3] [mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=C4]

I created a non character specific macro called "RestoreMyTarget"

/notarget
/targetlasttarget

I assign the "TargetMyFriend" macro to MultiBarRightButton1 and the "RestoreMyTarget" macro to MultiBarRightButton2

I then created a non character specific macro called "FollowFriend"

/click MultiBarRightButton1
/follow
/click MultiBarRightButton2

I used the following commands at the console to save the key binding for each "FollowFriend" Macro as the "]" key

/script SetBindingMacro("]", "FollowFriend")
/script SaveBindings(GetCurrentBindingSet())

Now I can press "`" over the active window to make the other characters follow the active character.

To facilitate spell casting from the background windows I create a macro like the following for each spell.

#showtooltip Frostbolt
/click MultiBarRightButton1
/cast [harm, nodead] Frostbolt; [harm, target=targettarget, exists] Frostbolt
/click MultiBarRightButton2

The following HKN script fragment was required to ensure that the correct key presses were transmitted

<KeyList TheKeyList 0-9, Plus, Minus>
// send the key list to all windows
<Hotkey TheKeyList>
<If ActiveWinIs WoW1>
<SendLabel w2, w3, w4, w5>
<Key ctrl %Trigger%>
<SendLabel w1>
<Key %Trigger%>
<Else If ActiveWinIs WoW2>
<SendLabel w1, w3, w4, w5>
<Key alt %Trigger%>
<SendLabel w2>
<Key %Trigger%>
<Else>
<DoHotKey Hotkey NumLockOn Alt Ctrl Shift %Trigger%>
<EndIf>
<Hotkey NumLockOn Alt Ctrl Shift TheKeyList>
<If ActiveWinIs WoW3>
<SendLabel w1, w2, w4, w5>
<Key shift %TriggerMainKey%>
<SendLabel w3>
<Key %TriggerMainKey%>
<Else If ActiveWinIs WoW4>
<SendLabel w1, w2, w3, w5>
<Key ctrl alt %TriggerMainKey%>
<SendLabel w4>
<Key %TriggerMainKey%>
<Else>
<SendLabel w1, w2, w3, w4>
<Key ctrl shift %TriggerMainKey%>
<SendLabel w5>
<Key %TriggerMainKey%>
<EndIf>

Here is the complete HKN script that I use http://pastebin.com/CAqpL7K2

It includes a window swapping mechanism that I use to set the main window, be warned that if you use this script it requires a screen resolution of 2560x1600, it also requires that wow is configured to use a resolution of 720x576. It should be easy enough to alter it for different resolutions, if you do that then make sure you change the position of the indicator icons that are created in the bottom right of the screen to indicate wether active window tracking is enabled or if HotKeys are enabled. You can find the positioning code on lines 170 and 152 of the pastebin script.

Owltoid

10-28-2010, 08:29 PM

I hereby nominate Keyclone for the single greatest piece of software of all time.

:) glad you're happy with KeyClone. I'd like to nominate ISBoxer (and HKN for free software)

destroyeer

04-06-2012, 03:10 PM

im having a problem with FTL. im not sure how to set up an propper attack macro so all i have is
"/assist (main)
/cast frostbolt"
i am using Octopus 1.3.8
plz help all i wana do is multibox in pvp and they end up killing my main and my other 4 toons stand there helpless w8ting 2 die

Ualaa

04-09-2012, 07:50 PM

Well, this recommendation is not FTL... as I was never able to get it working, prior to moving to IS Boxer.

If you were to make five macros.
/focus [target=ToonA]
/focus [target=ToonB]
/focus [target=ToonC]
/focus [target=ToonD]
/focus [target=ToonE]

Have all five macros on all five toons.
Have all the Toon A macros on the same keybind... etc.
So when you push Keybind 1, everyone including Toon A will focus Toon A.

You can then use:
/follow [target=focus]

And:
/cast [@focustarget] Frostbolt

And:
/castsequence [@focustarget] Frostbolt, Frostbolt
/cast [@focustarget] Frostfire Bolt

And:
/cast [@focustargettarget] Healing Touch

Etc...

It is not FTL, but you can switch to any window...
And set your Warcraft keybind for that character to be focused by everyone... to be the same as your software keybind, to switch to that window.
Any toon will be able to lead, and the others will assist it correctly.

I'm not sure how good the mouse broadcasting is, for Octopus.

If you're comfortable with your own scripts...
Take a hard look at Hot Key Net, which is free.

Also take a hard look at IS Boxer.
That's 36/year, but most likely the top boxing software option available anywhere.
Lots of things you can do with it...
Set up a 'Send Next Click' action, so you press the hotkey for Blizzard, and every mage has a targeting circle (which moves in real time, as you move the targeting circle on your main's window) and which turns the mouse broadcasting off, after you click for the Blizzard.
Not to mention, instant swapping between windows.
Automatic FTL.. meaning, put your spells on "1" in wow, press 1 from any window, and without any macros at all... every toon will do whatever is on "1", at the target of the current window.