Anyway to transfer gold from alliance to horde? (30k)

[Wide]

Hi,

I have been farming alot of gold on my "old" account (alliance) and got around 31.000 gold atm. Everything was getting quite boring and felt i was time for a change, so desided to reroll horde and try multiboxing (which is going nice).

Anyway, only thing i miss from my alliance characters is all the gold. Is there a way to get that gold transfered to my new horde characters?

[shaeman]

If i wanted to do this I would use the Neutral auction houses in booty bay and tanaris.

List an item of no value on your character with next to no money with a buyout of the amount you want.

Log on to your character with the money and buy out that auction item.

[shaeman]

I would suggest being very wary of doing this with very large amounts of gold though.

You might get misidentified as being a gold farmer on one account and identified as a gold buyer on another.

In fact this probably isn't a very good idea at all, I wouldn't want you to jeaporise your accounts.

[Wide]

If i wanted to do this I would use the Neutral auction houses in booty bay and tanaris.

List an item of no value on your character with next to no money with a buyout of the amount you want.

Log on to your character with the money and buy out that auction item.

Have been reading that this is not possible anymore, Blizzard find it illegal and will ban the account (they monitor "odd auction").

Starting to feel there is no way without breaking the TOS :(

[zanthor]

Two ways to do this...

One, spend 30K on high value items you know you can resell on the horde side.... list them for 1c each on the neutral AH and buy them with your other account... do this 1 item at a time. (or 1 stack). You stand a risk this way of losing high value items to people who snipe at the auctions...

The second is to list a gray from the horde toon for 30K gold on the neutral AH. Then buy it with the alliance toon. You'll lose 15% or something absurd in a border crossing tax... but theres no way you can lose on this one. the ONLY way this can go wrong is if some dipshit buys your item for 30K... and since it's a worthless item, if they do, you now have 60K, 30 on each side of the fence, which isn't really "going wrong"....

[zanthor]

If i wanted to do this I would use the Neutral auction houses in booty bay and tanaris.

List an item of no value on your character with next to no money with a buyout of the amount you want.

Log on to your character with the money and buy out that auction item.

Have been reading that this is not possible anymore, Blizzard find it illegal and will ban the account (they monitor "odd auction").

Starting to feel there is no way without breaking the TOS :(I'd be interested to see where thats illegal confirmed by a blue. As long as you own both accounts I really don't think they would have a problem with it. People do the same sort of thing with server transfers all the time and don't get banned...

[Wide]

I would suggest being very wary of doing this with very large amounts of gold though.

You might get misidentified as being a gold farmer on one account and identified as a gold buyer on another.

In fact this probably isn't a very good idea at all, I wouldn't want you to jeaporise your accounts.Guess your right, just annoying to level without the normal "freedom" - gold wise :p

[Wide]

If i wanted to do this I would use the Neutral auction houses in booty bay and tanaris.

List an item of no value on your character with next to no money with a buyout of the amount you want.

Log on to your character with the money and buy out that auction item.

Have been reading that this is not possible anymore, Blizzard find it illegal and will ban the account (they monitor "odd auction").

Starting to feel there is no way without breaking the TOS :(I'd be interested to see where thats illegal confirmed by a blue. As long as you own both accounts I really don't think they would have a problem with it. People do the same sort of thing with server transfers all the time and don't get banned...I'm not sure if it's legal if you own both characters, guess i need to ask a GM about that :)

[Ken]

I'm not sure if it's legal if you own both characters, guess i need to ask a GM about that :)
By any means, do that! It would be a great way to move your money, but you have to be 100% sure it's legit.

[Anahka]

Neutral AH takes a 15% cut iirc.

[Wide]

Neutral AH takes a 15% cut iirc.Will pay twice that much, some is better than nothing ;)

[RobinGBrown]

I'd be interested to see where thats illegal confirmed by a blue. As long as you own both accounts I really don't think they would have a problem with it. People do the same sort of thing with server transfers all the time and don't get banned...
I was under the impression that a character in a server transfer is limited to 300 gold cash.

I think transferring 30K gold, however you do it, is a good way to get an investigation if not a ban.

[Wide]

I'd be interested to see where thats illegal confirmed by a blue. As long as you own both accounts I really don't think they would have a problem with it. People do the same sort of thing with server transfers all the time and don't get banned...
I was under the impression that a character in a server transfer is limited to 300 gold cash.

I think transferring 30K gold, however you do it, is a good way to get an investigation if not a ban.
The transfer limit (from one server to another) is 10.000 - not going to transfer more than 5-8k at first anyway.

[sparvath]

Why not simply park your Alliance and Horde alts by the neutral AH and make a ticket. Ask if its illigal when the GM shows up. And if he says no put the worthless item up for the amount and buy it.

That way you will have a transcript of the conversation on your record should you later be flagged.

[Drizzit]

You should probably not put 1 gray up for 30k. Maybe put it up for like 50g, then something else for 50g and so on. It will take long but it should set a flag like 30k would.

[Sarduci]

The neutral auction house if for Alliance players to sell to Horde and Horde to Alliance. If Blizzard didn't want you to be able to buy your own items they could easily apply a filter to the AH so you could not see any of your own things based on the original account. It'd even be simple enough to do client end because all of your toons are known by the client when you first log in. Set a variable, check against it in game. Problem solved.

[Sanctume]

Is this one of those "spirit of the game" and "intended design" arguments?

Buy a rare pet sell it for $$,$$$ because it's a rare novelty! :D

[Shuri]

The neutral auction house if for Alliance players to sell to Horde and Horde to Alliance. If Blizzard didn't want you to be able to buy your own items they could easily apply a filter to the AH so you could not see any of your own things based on the original account. It'd even be simple enough to do client end because all of your toons are known by the client when you first log in. Set a variable, check against it in game. Problem solved.They do something similar. You can't buy something on your Horde character if your Alliance character puts it up. You can see the auction, just can't bid on it. I used to get around this by using my wife's account to move things between factions. This was pre auction scanning though, so Lord knows what they've changed since then.

[sparvath]

The neutral auction house if for Alliance players to sell to Horde and Horde to Alliance. If Blizzard didn't want you to be able to buy your own items they could easily apply a filter to the AH so you could not see any of your own things based on the original account. It'd even be simple enough to do client end because all of your toons are known by the client when you first log in. Set a variable, check against it in game. Problem solved.They do something similar. You can't buy something on your Horde character if your Alliance character puts it up. You can see the auction, just can't bid on it. I used to get around this by using my wife's account to move things between factions. This was pre auction scanning though, so Lord knows what they've changed since then.good thing we are multiboxers then :D

[Otlecs]

The funny thing about this thread, for me at least, is that I wouldn't have hesitated to use the neutral auction house. I would have just stuck a grey up for 30k, bought it with another of my accounts, and gone on my merry way.

I would have hoped that anybody investigating would have realised that the accounts are both mine, and I was transfering gold earned by my own fair hands.

But of course there's a fair argument for saying that since they disabled the ability to trade cross-faction on a single account that it's not intended that you be able to do that at all.

So... I'll be interested to see any official word on this.

[TheBigBB]

Ask a GM, but I think that if you own both accounts, you'll be fine.

[HTeam]

Well, when they come and tell you that you shouldn't be doing that, tell them that you were flagged while at the neutral AH and there is a PvP solution and it is against their policy to interfere. Maybe not.

Seriously though, now that both sides have paladins and shaman, is the neutral AH used for anything else other than gold transfer and faction recipes for the completists?

[Caspian]

Seriously though, now that both sides have paladins and shaman, is the neutral AH used for anything else other than gold transfer and faction recipes for the completists?Bloodstone ore and STV pages but that is about it

When I abandoned Alliance I moved about 5k gold with of items over a little at a time. Just buy primals or clefthoof leather or any thing that sells reasonably fast for decent amount of money (ore/bars). While you are under 30 you don't need more then 100g or so any ways. If you just do a few things at a time you don't have anything to worry about.

[Tdog]

Personally I would never accept the 15% cut. 31,000g*15%=4,650g

I buy items that are more expensive on the faction that I'm trying to transfer my wealth to.

1. Buy a number of low costing level 70 BOE epics or some other item on the side you are moving the money off of.
2. Put the items up on the neutral AH for an extremely low buyout so that you do not incur the 15% AH cut. Buy it up with another toon on another account immediately.
3. Sell it on the faction's side you are trying to move your wealth too.

If you are able to buy low and sell high you will even make a profit while doing this. At the very least buy things that are comparable prices on both sides so as to not lose money in the transfer.

*WARNING* If you are going to transfer items through the AH using a very low buyout you will need to be smart or you can potentially be ripped off.

I would recommend not selling items for a 1c buyout. Anyone can just do a quick search of the AH by lowest buyout and see your 3000g item up for sell for 1c and try to buyout before you do. They would also be "legally" taking your item as it is an AH and you are putting it up for auction.

Few things to do to lessen the risk of getting ripped off.
1. Create 3 macros to use on your neutral AH toons before each set of auctions is made.
/who winterspring
/who tanaris
/who stranglethorn vale .

If there are any level 1-10 toons in these zones I would recommend checking to see if they are near the neutral AHs. I've caught a couple of people over the years using bots to troll the neutral AH to take advantage of people trying to do exactly what we are about to do. All you would need to do to check each AH is to have 1 lowbie near the auctioneers in each town and type /target (name of lowbie). /target has a very long range and can pretty much reach clear across each town. If you can't target them while next to the auctioneers chances are they are nowhere near the AH and you don't have to worry about them ninjaing. I'd be a bit wary of really high level toons as well near the AHs but they aren't normally as much of a problem.

2. Put the item up for a buyout that is high enough to be on the 2nd page of auctions rather than the first. I usually end up putting my auctions up for 10-15s. (15% of 15s is 2s25c. 15% of 3000g is 450g. Just saved yourself rougly 450g assuming you sell the item for 3000g).

3. Before you even make the auction have your 2nd toon already logged on, sitting next to the auctioneer with the auction window open and the name of your auction already in the search window ready to go. As soon as you make your auction, immediately run the search and buy it out with your 2nd AH toon. If you are quick your auctions will never be up for more than 3 seconds. Which even if someone is botting the AH is a very slim chance in hell that someone is going to have the time to rip you off.

I've been doing this for the past 3 years and I've only once actually ever been ripped off and that was because I didn't follow set number 1 :( Some damn level 1 troll in BB named "Ninjasaurex" made off with a few primals. Had I run the /who searches I would of immediately of realized such an obvious bot. :( O well that one was my own damn fault really :P Just reported him for botting and he was gone in a few days. He tried coming back and I reported him again and he was gone before the day was over :P



This however is a process and takes a little bit to set-up the first time and to sell all your goods on the opposite side. So if you have the time and are patient you can save your self quite a bit of gold and perhaps even make some if the circumstances are right.

If you must have your gold quickly then you can always sell your stuff for 5% underpriced on the opposite faction and probably get rid of it all fairly quickly. While still saving yourself some money from the neutral AH cut.

If you mush have your gold now than the only way to do it is to put up a very low level gray on auction for 31000g in the neutral AH, buyout, and take the 15% hit.

[Tdog]

Also, one more thing you can do is to just keep the money on the side it's already on and buy w/e you need on that side and transfer it over using the method I mentioned above. Other than repairs, respeccing/training, or buying mounts it doesn't really matter what side you have your gold on.

[Mokoi]

I would also like to point out, that without official word on whether xfering gold across factions (which I am almost certain is against the ToS) speculating about how to circumvent a system Blizzard has implemented to deny access to a certain feature of the game, should not be discussed here. Vyndree's hammer is about to drop so all those giving advise on how to avoid blizzards AH scans for suspicious auctions should probably stop using this forum as a means to cheat the system.

My advice: level your toons without 20 slot bags and overly expensive twink gear, and have fun getting that gold back on a new team =)

[Draz]

I would also like to point out, that without official word on whether xfering gold across factions (which I am almost certain is against the ToS) speculating about how to circumvent a system Blizzard has implemented to deny access to a certain feature of the game, should not be discussed here. Vyndree's hammer is about to drop so all those giving advise on how to avoid blizzards AH scans for suspicious auctions should probably stop using this forum as a means to cheat the system.

My advice: level your toons without 20 slot bags and overly expensive twink gear, and have fun getting that gold back on a new team =)Its not against the ToS, It never has been against the ToS, everyone crying wolf and saying it IS against the ToS is WRONG.

Why would they have a neutral AH put in, in the first place? God forbid if people use it to you know....actually BUY stuff off the AH. If they didnt want people buying stuff off a neutral AH, why have THREE in the game in the first place.

Now if your transferring gold in an effort to profit from gold selling, then YES that is against the TOS. But this is clearly not the case here, and everything that has been said so far is fine.

My Advice: Please stop crying wolf, and fearing the wrath of the "V". Someone with some common sense can see this was not an attempt to exploit the system, or anything against the ToS, and just makes you look like a brown nosing little suck up.

[Anahka]

I would also like to point out, that without official word on whether xfering gold across factions (which I am almost certain is against the ToS) speculating about how to circumvent a system Blizzard has implemented to deny access to a certain feature of the game, should not be discussed here. Vyndree's hammer is about to drop so all those giving advise on how to avoid blizzards AH scans for suspicious auctions should probably stop using this forum as a means to cheat the system.

My advice: level your toons without 20 slot bags and overly expensive twink gear, and have fun getting that gold back on a new team =)

Woah there.....don't go overboard.

Blizzard has stated several times that they did not intend for the neutral AH's to be used like this however they don't mind. Call it clever use of game mechanics. They have also stated if something goes wrong, ie someone ninja's your item, they will not assist.

Tranfering gold cross-faction has been going on using the AH's since release now. Not intended but hardly against the TOS.

[Mosg2]

I actually did this awhile ago, transferring about 10k gold from Alliance to Horde.

The account that I used to put the stuff up on the Neutral auction house with from Alliance side was banned. The account that received had nothing done to it. The issue is gold farming. Just giving you a heads up, you're most likely gonna get one or two accounts banned if you do it.

[TheBigBB]

The really easy solution to all these problems, as has sort of been discussed already, is buying out 30k worth of nice expensive items that will most likely sell well and just listing them on the neutral auction house. Don't list them for 1 copper. Sell them for very low prices, but not trivially low. Have the account you want to give the money to buy them out and resell on their regular AH. There's absolutely no way that it's against the TOS to simply list items and buy them using accounts under the same name. What will get a ban possibly is listing linen cloth for 30k gold and having the other guy buy it out. You'll also be losing over 4000 gold this way, wheras you lose very little to list 10 mildly expensive items at like 10G each or something. In fact, if you do this correctly, it might be possible to come out of it with MORE THAN 30k gold, as you could strategically buy out only items which will sell higher on the other side.

[kadaan]

The really easy solution to all these problems, as has sort of been discussed already, is buying out 30k worth of nice expensive items that will most likely sell well and just listing them on the neutral auction house. Don't list them for 1 copper. Sell them for very low prices, but not trivially low. Have the account you want to give the money to buy them out and resell on their regular AH. There's absolutely no way that it's against the TOS to simply list items and buy them using accounts under the same name. What will get a ban possibly is listing linen cloth for 30k gold and having the other guy buy it out. You'll also be losing over 4000 gold this way, wheras you lose very little to list 10 mildly expensive items at like 10G each or something. In fact, if you do this correctly, it might be possible to come out of it with MORE THAN 30k gold, as you could strategically buy out only items which will sell higher on the other side.Yep, I did this pre-BC when I rerolled Alliance on a different server. I spent all 6k gold on relatively high-ticket items that had a decent resell value (cores, arcanite, enchanting mats, mooncloth, t1 BoE's) and transferred servers. Sold the items one at a time in the neutral AH for 1c, buying them out on the second account immediately. I transferred over 100 items and didn't get any of them sniped. If you only have one account you'd have to switch characters between each listing, which would be very dangerous (but if you have one account, why are you on these forums? ;)). Listing for 1c means you don't lose any money at all to the AH cut.

When I finally sold everything, I actually came out ahead :).

[zanthor]

You should probably not put 1 gray up for 30k. Maybe put it up for like 50g, then something else for 50g and so on. It will take long but it should set a flag like 30k would.And look like you are trying to skate below the radar.

Blizzard knows crossfaction trading happens, and that people use the AH to do so. If you transfer 30K from one account to the other and you properly own both, then the worst they can do is transfer the gold back after you appeal whatever action they are unlikely to perform on you.

[Draz]

You should probably not put 1 gray up for 30k. Maybe put it up for like 50g, then something else for 50g and so on. It will take long but it should set a flag like 30k would.And look like you are trying to skate below the radar.

Blizzard knows crossfaction trading happens, and that people use the AH to do so. If you transfer 30K from one account to the other and you properly own both, then the worst they can do is transfer the gold back after you appeal whatever action they are unlikely to perform on you.Here people going again KNOWING what blizzard will do. I wish I had precognition like some other people :(

[Dorffo]

i used to move gold andd item across the blackhand neutral AH for guilds / individuals wanting to x-faction trade :) never had any issues, I'd just do it as one lump sum and eat the goblin tax rather than try to parcel it out as items to try and re-list on the other side.

[Mendicant]

Wow, good timing on this thread. In a couple days I was planning on transferring 14k gold between horde and alliance on my accounts.

It would be nice to hear a blue post on whether this is okay or not.

[Latakia]

Interesting. I saw some bread on the AH one time for 1000 gold. I figured it was gold spammers. I'm sure I was right. So I put my bread up on the AH for 1000 gold thinking "wouldn't it be funny if one of the gold farmers accidently bought mine?"

[Xar]

I would also like to point out, that without official word on whether xfering gold across factions (which I am almost certain is against the ToS) speculating about how to circumvent a system Blizzard has implemented to deny access to a certain feature of the game, should not be discussed here. Vyndree's hammer is about to drop so all those giving advise on how to avoid blizzards AH scans for suspicious auctions should probably stop using this forum as a means to cheat the system.

My advice: level your toons without 20 slot bags and overly expensive twink gear, and have fun getting that gold back on a new team =)Its not against the ToS, It never has been against the ToS, everyone crying wolf and saying it IS against the ToS is WRONG.

Why would they have a neutral AH put in, in the first place? God forbid if people use it to you know....actually BUY stuff off the AH. If they didnt want people buying stuff off a neutral AH, why have THREE in the game in the first place.

Now if your transferring gold in an effort to profit from gold selling, then YES that is against the TOS. But this is clearly not the case here, and everything that has been said so far is fine.

My Advice: Please stop crying wolf, and fearing the wrath of the "V". Someone with some common sense can see this was not an attempt to exploit the system, or anything against the ToS, and just makes you look like a brown nosing little suck up.Except the wrath of "V" is always backed up by blue postings, logic and common sense. No one here who has said it's against the TOS has posted links to blue's that have said it's not acceptable. I do remember reading a blue posting that said it was fine but that if someone else bought a valuable item there was nothing a GM could do about it. It's pretty much at your own risk if you do it that way. Selling a grey item for a lot of gold might raise internal flags but if any action were taken I'm sure if your accounts were in order (meaning they were your accounts, name, etc.) then any action could be reversed. I don't have links but if you go search the customer service forums I bet you could all find postings about cross faction gold transfer using the neutral AH.

[kadaan]

Found a post, by a blue: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=2405314089&pageNo=1&sid=1#9


Hi,

Is it against the rules to transfer gold between alliance and horde on a PvE server using the neutral auction house? I've seen it done a lot, but want to be sure before I ask someone to help me do it in case it affects their account.

Thanks.


Hi Lienra,

Aerrich has already linked a previous response to this question, which you can find at:

http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=1119152478&postId=11526915359&sid=1#3

To reiterate - cross-faction trading like this is not considered to be exploitation, and players are free to do so if they do not mind incurring the costs associated. :)

Issuntriland the linked post:

There seems to be a lot of players asking this lately. :)

What you speak of is perfectly legal Seijin, and we already have a development solution in place to discourage this kind of cross-faction trade, in that the cut for using the neutral AHs is quite a bit more than the regular ones.

If you are happy incurring such costs while transferring your gold over, then you are of course free to do so. :)

IssuntrilSo it's perfectly fine to do, and you don't even have to be the owner of both accounts.

[Mendicant]

So it's perfectly fine to do, and you don't even have to be the owner of both accounts.

Thanks kadaan, that comforts me. You guys got me riled up for a moment there :)

[Jaws5]

I transfer Primals or other hot times from side to side.

Check AH on each side if they are lower on one side buy them here , thansfer to other side sell for profit

works great

:)

[Mokoi]

You should probably not put 1 gray up for 30k. Maybe put it up for like 50g, then something else for 50g and so on. It will take long but it should set a flag like 30k would.

these are the posts I suggest we steer away from. Skirting Blizzards policies is not one of the practices we should be encouraging or engaging in.

thats all I meant. I don't know for sure if they ban or disregard cross faction trading of gold, but deliberately trying to float under the radar should not be the goal. talking to a GM and confirming what is legal and what is not should be encouraged and not anything shady, this community is under enough fire as it is.

[Xar]

I transfer Primals or other hot times from side to side.

Check AH on each side if they are lower on one side buy them here , thansfer to other side sell for profit

works great

:)The only thing to watch for are AH bots that sometimes snatch these things up. I've seen numerous CS forum postings about this when someone gets their loot bought up for cheap by someone else or an AH bot. There's nothing they can do if this happens.

[kadaan]

I transfer Primals or other hot times from side to side.

Check AH on each side if they are lower on one side buy them here , thansfer to other side sell for profit

works great

:)The only thing to watch for are AH bots that sometimes snatch these things up. I've seen numerous CS forum postings about this when someone gets their loot bought up for cheap by someone else or an AH bot. There's nothing they can do if this happens.I believe sniping falls under the "If you are happy incurring such costs while transferring your gold over, then you are of course free to do so" the CM's were mentioning :D

[Otlecs]

So it's ok to trade your cash cross-faction (http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&postID=103773#post103773).

Excellent. That's all we needed to know. Nice one Kadaan.

[Abzalon]

I don't think there is a problem using the neutral AH to transport money from one account to another as long as you own them both. One of the purposes of the neutral AH is to sell stuff across factions and that's what you'd be doing. I can't see there is anything "illegal" going on if you own both accounts.

If don't have to spend your gold in a hurry I would try and avoid the neutral auction house taking 15% of your gold you could check both faction AHs for, say, Large Brilliant Shards or Black Lotus or something like that. Buy them on one side and sell them on the other side. You could even make a little profit if you are lucky. The risky part is getting them through the neutral AH since you want to put them up there at a low price, like 1 copper, and buy them at the low price (leaving the neutral AH with 15% of 1 copper). Of course this is more time consuming than accepting a 15% "loss".

[Otlecs]

I don't think there is a problem using the neutral AH to transport money from one account to another as long as you own them both

Yup, that's been confirmed (http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&postID=103773#post103773), and I'm going to keep posting that link because it's a thread-closer so far as I can tell and any further discussion about the legality or otherwise will just confuse people who come across this thread as a result of a search.

Not that many people seem to bother actually searching, but... well, ever the optimist :)

[NoobShammy]

Hi,

I have been farming alot of gold on my "old" account (alliance) and got around 31.000 gold atm. Everything was getting quite boring and felt i was time for a change, so desided to reroll horde and try multiboxing (which is going nice).

Anyway, only thing i miss from my alliance characters is all the gold. Is there a way to get that gold transfered to my new horde characters?

horde account
1) download auctioneer
2) Acquire 100 pieces of (one) type cloth
3) With acutioner use the tab marked "set auction" and drag 1 stach of cloth into the window set to (x1) piece and set buyout to 300g. Afther that remove the quantity filiter and hit enter.
- what this will do is put on the ah 100 pieces of cloth for 300g each = 30,000g

Allinace account
1) After the horde has put up the 100 piece of cloth using auctioner open tha AH window
2) Filter out the cloth type and put gold threshold buyout to 300g. and hit enter
- this will buy every piece of (cloth type) marked at 300g.

You can complete this transaction in about 2-3 minutes tops and is fully automated. If you think 300g is too high just use more cloth ie 200 cloth at 150g per piece.

[Otlecs]

You can complete this transaction in about 2-3 minutes tops and is fully automated. If you think 300g is too high just use more cloth ie 200 cloth at 150g per piece.
Or you could do it in 2 seconds, with no mods, just by putting a single grey item on the AH for 30,000 gold, since it's been confirmed (http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&postID=103773#post103773) that cross-faction trading of your own gold is fine and there's no need to structure the transaction to avoid attention :)

[Dopledin]

The only thing to watch for are AH bots that sometimes snatch these things up. I've seen numerous CS forum postings about this when someone gets their loot bought up for cheap by someone else or an AH bot. There's nothing they can do if this happens.
Just for my own clarification, how can an AH bot buy my stack of silk (listed at the VERY reasonable price of 5,000 gold pieces), and me not be happy. Granted, my fairly affluent toon on the other faction didn't get the chance to buy the stack of silk, but I happen to have 3 lucky pieces of mageweave going for 3,000 gold each... only moderately higher than the current going price.

If I missed that "AH bot" alert on Auctioneer telling me to set the price at the last 3 day AH Bot buyout number, then I am definitely not using Auctioneer to it's fullest capability.

I am only slightly tongue in cheek on this. Where does this go wrong?

Thank you in advance for the education!

Dopledin

[Naylix]

this thread seriously made me giggle...

I'm a member of an endgame guild - however I no longer raid. The other members, are currently on KJ, and has been farming BT for months (server firsts, all down the line from Gruul to M'uru).

We buy consumables and enchanting mats from Alliance AH on our realm, cause the prices are more favourable due to higher alliance population. And I shit you not, we transfer 100k gold+ every month, most often in the form of mats though.

Sometimes, people reroll on our server, from alliance to horde, or vice versa. They often want their accumulated wealth with them, and we setup a trade (provided we know the person). Last time, was about 42k gold, that he had on alliance, and wanted on horde. That's a good trade, seeing as we skip the 15% AH fee.

And I cannot put it simpler than this: if you did not obtain your gold through botting or goldspam/selling companies, you are free to trade, treat or destroy it any way you like.

"but this looks like a way to avoid the 15% fee, would this not piss off blizzard ?" - answer: NO, why on earth would it ? both people doing a trade like this, are putting up 42k gold to a "stranger" and one of them have to press accept first....

it's a risk, which might feel even more daunting than neutral AH sinking 15% of your fortune...

anyways, we've traded gold and stuff crossfaction since the guild was formed in december. 2005. Same officer been doing it all the time, so an estimate would be, he's traded more than a million gold.

[NoobShammy]

The only thing to watch for are AH bots that sometimes snatch these things up. I've seen numerous CS forum postings about this when someone gets their loot bought up for cheap by someone else or an AH bot. There's nothing they can do if this happens.
Just for my own clarification, how can an AH bot buy my stack of silk (listed at the VERY reasonable price of 5,000 gold pieces), and me not be happy. Granted, my fairly affluent toon on the other faction didn't get the chance to buy the stack of silk, but I happen to have 3 lucky pieces of mageweave going for 3,000 gold each... only moderately higher than the current going price.

If I missed that "AH bot" alert on Auctioneer telling me to set the price at the last 3 day AH Bot buyout number, then I am definitely not using Auctioneer to it's fullest capability.
I am only slightly tongue in cheek on this. Where does this go wrong?

Thank you in advance for the education!

Dopledin

Both of you 2 are talking about different things

A) talking about item transfer - ie sell a very expensive item for 1cp
B) talking about gold transfer - ie selling a cheap item for very expensive.

Transfering gold is a nonissue for these bots. Transfering an item is a different story.

[Wide]

Howdy again,

Spoke to a Gamemaster today regarding this issue and it's 100% legal - aslong you own both accounts.

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[HPB]

Quotes from this quest thread:

1) If Blizzard didn't want you to be able to buy your own items they could easily apply a filter to the AH so you could not see any of your own things based on the original account.

2) Spoke to a Gamemaster today regarding this issue and it's 100% legal - aslong you own both accounts.

The game is already set up so that you can't bid on your own items in the auction house. The game engine just doesn't account for multi-boxers. I would think that since they don't want a single-boxer bidding on their own items, they might have an issue with a multi-boxer doing that? Then again, they are separate accounts that you're paying for. I can't believe a GM stated it was fine BECAUSE you're on the same account when the game engine prevents self-bidding for single-boxers. Oh well. I wouldn't do it myself without confirming on my own server.

[Simulacra]

Ive used the neutral AH so many times to transfer gold I can't remember how many times. The things to buy are enchanting mats like large prismatic shards and greater planars, whatever. The nice thing about these is you don't pay an auction listing fee. I then sell them in the winterspring ah for a a few silver with both faction toons standing side by side with the ah screen up. I also make sure noone is around. It's a great way to get some nice gear too, sometimes the opposite faction ah will have something you've been after for ages but your faction ah doesn't have it, things like the Crystalforged sword for pallies. Then sell the enchanting mats on your ah or in trade.

[Bovidae]

Blizzard regularly hands out bans under the heading of Economy Manipulations when one person controls both sides of a neutral auctionhouse. Pre-TBC, a number of my guildies were banned for doing this with items they planned on selling on the main AHs. They weren't even deliberately trading gold...

Buying a stack of silk cloth of 10,000g is an easily identifiable transaction. I would recommend against it.

[Otlecs]

Since it's already BEEN CONFIRMED (http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&postID=103773#post103773) that trading your own gold across factions, using accounts that you personally own, is perfectly ok, I would very much like to see people stop posting mis-leading information in this thread.

I'm not surprised people get confused when searching sometimes.

It is perfectly ok to use a single over-valued grey item on the auction house to transfer funds, and there's no reason at all to avoid doing so. Even if it raises a flag somewhere (and, yes, it probably should), it will be adundantly clear that it's a cross-faction, not a cross-account trade.

And that's all we're talking about here - how to transfer gold from one faction to another, where both accounts are owned by the same person.

Here's the text of the Blue Post (http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=2405314089&pageNo=1&sid=1#9):

To reiterate - cross-faction trading like this is not considered to be exploitation, and players are free to do so if they do not mind incurring the costs associated. :)

And another one (http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=1119152478&postId=11526915359&sid=1):


There seems to be a lot of players asking this lately. :)

What you speak of is perfectly legal Seijin, and we already have a development solution in place to discourage this kind of cross-faction trade, in that the cut for using the neutral AHs is quite a bit more than the regular ones.

If you are happy incurring such costs while transferring your gold over, then you are of course free to do so. :)

That's quite clear and unambiguous to me.

edit: me inglish not gud

[Aethon]

Cross faction is fine. I used to neutral AH snipe auctions and get a lot of harassment because people are dumb and expect their epic gem they put for 2s up to still be there when their other toon goes to buy it. Anyway, I contacted a GM about it (the sniping, not the faction transfers) he said there's nothing wrong with either, as it takes 2 accounts to make it work. If you own both, then there's not issues. He also said there's nothing wrong with the sniping, either, as someone who puts an item in the AH SHOULD expect it to sell if it's a great deal.

Putting a grey in for a lot of money isn't a worry, it's the blues and purples for 2 silver that you gotta watch out for.

I'm not the only one that trolls the AH's either, so keep that in mind all you out there for next time. ;-P

[Oswyn]

it's ok to trade your cash cross-faction ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&postID=103773#post103773')


:)