Dual Hunters & PvP

[rossforeman]

I've been leveling up two hunters (lvl 42 right now) and looking far into the future. I plan to PvP and arena a bit with these guys, and wondering about other people's adventures. Specifically how to handle traps and such. Everything is mirrored, but if both my hunters do the same thing at the same time they don't utilize their cooldowns if they were used seperately, but I don't know how to set it up to make everything efficient. Anyone get far in 2v2 arena with dual hunters?

[Oatboat]

just need to set up your Round Robin type casting. Could make trapping alot easier along with Concussive Shot etc. I personally have never arena'd with hunters but i hear scorpid pets are nice for poison stacking so you can throw your Viper Sting on targets so its harder for them to cure it.

I would think that any team with a dps/healer class would give you alot of trouble unless you had alot of burst dps to kill the healer fast.

[rossforeman]

How would do this round robin casting?

[Bravo]

it's in Keyclone: Setup--->Round Robin

[rossforeman]

Wow, I never noticed that. That's really handy. Thanks. Just need to figure out which spells should be round robin.

Anyways, back on to the arena, any advice? I assume dual BM would be cookie-cutter, but I do not know exactly how well it would fair in 2v2 arena. I'm more worried about getting to 70 first though. Awesome.

[roddo]

Worry about getting to 70, things could change quite easily by the time you get there. Theres abilities in all 3 trees that are nice for pvp, so there isn't necessarily a set spec for hunters like there is for some classes.

[rossforeman]

How about macros? I mean, right now I use assist, but sometimes my slave hits the wrong target, which is fine when leveling because I can handle it, but in PvP it can cause mistakes. Should I make focus macros? I'm not to great at setting up focus targets or anything, but is it a must for PvP?

[rossforeman]

Well, I know this is another post, but I am still looking towards the end. I am about to hit 51, and I know I'm going 41 points in BM, but the other 20 points I can't decide between MM or Survival. Each one has pros and cons, and I will probably try both out and see which does better in arena, but here's what I'm thinking about.

MM: ('http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/hunter/talents.html?tal=502030015250120531051050520120500 0000000000000000000000000000000')
Hard to decide between imp stings and mortal shots, or even Efficiency and Imp. Conc. MM seems really good for killing people faster, heh, however...

SS: ('http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/hunter/talents.html?tal=502030015250120531051050520120500 0000000000000000000000000000000')
This gives me slightly more range, but LOS will be annoying regardless. With entrapment I can control things better. Same thing with imp Wing Clip (fun with 2 hunters) and decrease chance to resist traps. Also with Deterrence and Surefooted I can survive longer, and also my traps are slightly more effective.

My BM points might even be able to be spent better, I haven't experienced any PvP at all yet. On top of all that, I doubt splitting the points between MM or S would be all that wise either. It's a battle of increased survivability and more tricks versus more burst damage. Thoughts?

[xtobbenx]

BM is the way to go for sure.. Those pets will totaly own ppl wile you can run over to yheir healer or dpers and chain trap them.. etc..

[Otlecs]

You really have to go 41 points in BM for PvP, otherwise you're vulnerable to fear bombs.

*shudder*


How about macros? I mean, right now I use assist, but sometimes my slave hits the wrong target, which is fine when leveling because I can handle it, but in PvP it can cause mistakes. Should I make focus macros? I'm not to great at setting up focus targets or anything, but is it a must for PvP?
It's not a must, no. There are very valuable ways to use focus in PvP though.

Focus vs. no-focus is entirely down to personal preference. I don't use the "focus main" approach myself because I think it leaves you very, very limited. I prefer to use focus for watching somebody (maybe timing a boar charge to interrupt a heal while I DPS down somebody else), crowd-control and cross-healing depending on the group makeup.

I also often hit multiple targets, and it's nice to be able to have one or more of my drones hit one thing while I hit something else. You can't do that so effectively with the focus approach.

You just have to get used to spamming the assist key and double-checking targets. Using a replacement unit frame like Xperl can help there, because you can see who your guys have targetted without having to look at their windows / screens.

[rossforeman]

I'm definitely leaning towards 41/20/0. The burst seems insane. There aren't many dual hunter teams out there, but if played right, I'm sure I can do well in arena. My only fear is if my characters get separated or what happens if one of my characters dies, my main. I'm really focused on leveling right now, but I could reach 70 very soon, so I am really thinking about this. One thing I am worried about is I have my slave's bars all set up as assist, so every spell that requires a target attacks my main's target. If my main dies, I am worried something will go wrong with assist because I have never tried it before, but I will find out soon as I head into AV for the quests and some quick upgrades. I am very excited for the potential here, I just need to get my execution worked out, and if I can find a good third, I would surely love to do 3v3 as well, but I don't have friends so probably 2v2. The positive thing is on my main account I already have a rogue, mage, druid, shaman, and warlock too. If I level up these two I can partner any one of my characters with a hunter if I really wanted to, but I really want to focus on my dual hunter team, my other characters all have pvp gear (except my shaman, boo solo shaman, no offense) and I really think this can go far if I just practice.

The BM talents are trickier than I thought, since a lot of people get different things, but my biggest thing is if I shoudl do imp aotf for more burst, if I'm lucky, or endurance training for gauranteed health.

[Frostie]

I dual boxed 2 hunters to 70. And i stopped to do PVP in most brackets.

Pre 70, 2 hunters are untouchable unless the enemy stealths. I maxed my honor to 75,000 on both hunters at level 69 bracket as I semi-twinket them both and was pretty much able to burst anyone down without them getting to me ( i specced marks and survival for the improved range and multishot) Must have been terribly anoying for the opposit teams casters to be killed before they were even in range to cast. (Trinket, multishot, arcane shot, auto shot would pack ~6000-7000 damage if none of them crit, so throw in a couple of crits and your on easy street).

The 69 bracket was without doubt where the fun was for me. When i hit 70 and got S1 on both hunters ive gone off them, i've tried 2v2, and 3v3 but the 'having to be at range to do damage' drawback in arena is terrible for us hunters - trying to get 2 players at range of a melee heavy team is near impossible. I found myself just leaving one hunter to get beaten on and shooting with the other. Maybe you would be able to pull it off but i was certainly dissapointed and i cant say i've really touched my hunters for months now.

An advantage to these hunters is the super easy gold grinding, especially if you specced both BM.

My advice: try it in lower BG brackets, if you enjoy it - carry on. As soon as you stop enjoying it play another combo.

[Dominian]

Like the guy over i cant see how you can kill a pillar humping healer!

On my druid i move so fast around the pillar or change pillars and easily los 2 hunters long enough for my warrior/rogue to finish one off. On my paladin pets damage even when enraged is easy outhealed while pillar humping.

No half decent healer will allow you to aim shot them and it wont be easier now that arcane shot lose the dispell effect to that other shot wich i cant remember the name of!

[rossforeman]

Well, if hunter/hunter does fail, I can try rogue*mage*druid*warlock*shaman/hunter as well, but that might be tricky as well.