No elemental shields?

[magwo]

The Wiki recommended PvP spec does not include Elemental Shields. I also see a lot of boxers avoiding it too. Why is this?
Does ES not stack with resilience? If it does, it's awesome, right?

Furthermore, the Wiki recommended spec has 3/3 in the +hit talent, which seems like a waste to me.

What spec do you recommend nowadays?

[Sarduci]

+hit can come from lots of places. That is true. If you have too much, feel free to respec and put points elsewhere. Otherwise get the +hit from talents and get more +crit for more mana efficiency from gear.

[Ellay]

It really comes down to preference, I have been thinking about taking Elemental Shields as it is basically 200 resilience, but I lose 27 mp5 or so. Probably better but I need to see if I run into mana issues :)

[merujo]

I guess that when u achieve Ellay's gear, elemental shield is an option, but not needed.
Im in S2, recently took out my 3 points in elemental shields for unrelenting storm... and so far so good. I used to have mana problems, heals and nuke take a lot, now its a bit better.

[Nixi]

I was actually wanting to start a thread about this today too. I've got more than enough hit from gear, so I took all my points out of the +hit talent and put 4 pts into Unrelenting storm. With 4 pts in there I can see a HUGE difference in my mana efficiency. I don't have mana problems nearly as severe as I used to.

I just got the 4 piece 50% uninteruption bonus on all of my shamans. I'm strongly considering taking all my points out of Eye of the Storm and putting them into the Elemental Shields talent. I play with a Palaidn with the improved concentration aura. So thats 50% interuption resistence there, plus my 4 piece set bonus means 100% interuption protection to Lightning bolt, correct?

[Mac]

whats the recommended min + hit number for ele shaman?

[Nixi]

Dave said:


The spell damage hit cap is 3% in pvp anything over that is a waste. http://www.wowwiki.com/Spell_hit


I can't open that link from my location, but I'm gonna go with what Dave said. 3%

[Mokoi]

hmm, I never actually gave this thought lol.

does the elemental shields add to your res cap? or is there a cap where your chance is reduced to its max and you waste these points? I am at ~400 res now on my toons and I am curious at what level of gear res I should drop the talents. I have just kept my old talent build from when i hit 70 LOL

[Nixi]

I don't have access to the all powerful wowwiki but I'm gonna go with intuition and say that there is no resilience or crit reduction cap. This game barely uses caps for most mechanics, so I'm guessing resil should be okay to stack with elemental shields.


exceptions that i can think of are:
resistence has a dmg reduction cap of 75%
armor has a dmg reduction cap of 75%
hit rating is capped so there is always 1% chance to miss

but avoidence caps are non-existant, (rogue tanking gruul anyone?) and since other players can get ridiculous crit numbers 40-50%+ i'd imagine that you can surpress a chunk of that if you heavily stacked resil and then took whatever talents that you have available.

[xtobbenx]

I respecced to elemental shilds during my first part of my gearing up. And i for sure noticed it. My team was sudanly survivng alot longer both in arena when i have my healer on me. And in BGs it game me the little extra time to nuke and then heal back up.

Go for it. But ofc.. you will have to take it from mp5. But then ofc. we do have watershilds and drinks in arena. Saving some dps on us might save some mana in the way that we dont have to sup heal much.

[magwo]

I would really like to have a 100% certain confirmation that Elemental Shields indeed stacks on top of Resilience, regardless of how much Resilience you have.
A lot of talents have been known to be bugged before.

[merujo]

after a bit of searching i found this:


It stacks with resilience, but it's only against physical damage.


Elemental Shields no longer lowers the chance to proc EotS.

EotS is now calculated based on the POSSIBLE crit chance, not the actual crit. So if some dude has 22% chance to crit and the next crit is denyed by resilence and/or elemental shields, EotS will still proc.

In essence, it procs of would-be crits.

even if it's only against physical damage, its worth it. I think that there no res cap, its more like a must have cap, like 450 or 455.

[Ellay]

Hmm, this is going to cause me to completely respec all of my characters :) Looking at a bunch of talents that need reworking, thanks for the heads up.

[merujo]

Hmm, this is going to cause me to completely respec all of my characters :) Looking at a bunch of talents that need reworking, thanks for the heads up.

what will u change? Unrelenting Storm ? cause elemental shields seems to be a better trade having in mind most of the teams i face have 2/3 meeles on it.

[Ellay]

My talent build looks awesome, but I am forced to use Paladin exclusively.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=hEczVbMRVsxZV0xp0xo ('http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=hEczVbMRVsxZV0xp0xo')

Dropping Eye of the Storm completely, picking up 2/2 in Improved Fire Nova, Dropping the 2% spell hit, since my spell hit is 2.74% without it I'm almost at the cap anyways.

This build only loses 9 mp5, streamlines your Fire Nova totems for a quick burst instead of having to wait. Gaining the overall goal of 6% reduced crit into Elemental Shields.

[magwo]

No single point in the +hit talent?

[Ellay]

Getting the S4 Weapon will add another 2 spell hit, which will put it even closer to the cap. (It has 19 spell hit, and head enchant gives +14)

[magwo]

Oooooh.. I just realized my shammies are Draenei.. already +1 %.. and some pvp gear with hit.. shouldn't need any additional.. cool.. respec incoming.

[merujo]

What about EotS, do u think arenas can go smooth without it ?

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=hEczVoMsVsxZV0xp0xo

1 point extra in unrelenting storm and 1 less in imp fire totems.

[Ellay]

Using a Paladin and having 4 Piece PvP bonus will give you 100% chance to not get interrupted by both Lightning Bolt / Healing Spells.

[merujo]

thats super. i totally forgot that.

[Alemi]

This build only loses 9 mp5, streamlines your Fire Nova totems for a quick burst instead of having to wait. Gaining the overall goal of 6% reduced crit into Elemental Shields.6% = 9 mp5?

That would mean only 150 int. Surely there's something not right with this, since with my int is 457 (with 2/5 S2 and 3/5 S4) it's 27 mp5 while casting.

Am I missing something?