Consolidating opinions on when to BG

[Havelcek]

I wanted to start up a thread to consolidate everyones' opinion on when you should take your 5-man into the BGs for most efficient results.

Assumptions:

1. You are 5-manning
2. You want to buy full S2 gear
3. You are not BGing for fun, just gear

Gloves: 10500 Honor, 20 AV Markers
Hood: 14500 Honor, 30 AV Markers
Pants: 14500 Honor, 30 WSG Markers
Shoulders: 11250 Honor, 20 AB Markers
Chest: 14500 Honor, 30 AB Markers
shield: 15000 Honor, 20 EOTS
weapon: 25200 Honor, 20 EOTS

For a grand total of: 105450 Honor, 50 AV, 30 WSG, 50 AB, 40 EOTS

[Naysayer]

Depends on the BG faction win/loss ratio.

If your faction wins eots/ab/wsg more than 50% of the time, do it all at 70.

If your faction is horrible at eots/ab/wsg, then collect marks at 69 and then do AV for honor at 70 or just stay 69 until completed.

If you don't spend much time playing and are going to be casual about it, just get to 70 asap and do your 10 arena a week while you grind out BG's and do heroics/dailies/crafting.

When I say casual, I mean if it will take you more than 2 weeks to complete your s2 sets.

[Tizer]

I wanted to start up a thread to consolidate everyones' opinion on when you should take your 5-man into the BGs for most efficient results.

Assumptions:

1. You are 5-manning
2. You want to buy full S2 gear
3. You are not BGing for fun, just gear

Gloves: 10500 Honor, 20 AV Markers
Hood: 14500 Honor, 30 AV Markers
Pants: 14500 Honor, 30 WSG Markers
Shoulders: 11250 Honor, 20 AB Markers
Chest: 14500 Honor, 30 AB Markers
shield: 15000 Honor, 20 EOTS
weapon: 25200 Honor, 20 EOTS

For a grand total of: 105450 Honor, 50 AV, 30 WSG, 50 AB, 40 EOTSAdd Belt, Bracers, Neck and Rings to that. ;)

Plus the fact that once you have them you will probably up your arena ranking to replace them all too. Chances are you will get 1575 in s2+blues so i wouldnt buy the vindi stuff, depends how arena goes for you.

[Hypermoo]

With wotlk rapidly approaching, I don't see much point in gearing up 70s.

However, if you really want the gear now, this is what I suggest. Honor is easy to get. Badges are the hard part. At 69, you can easily win any wsg/eots/ab game. Get all the badges you will need while they come easy. The only down side is longer queue times. Trust me, waiting on the queue times is better than wasting time at 70, losing matches, and getting flamed for your bad gear. If you haven't leveled professions, then during these queues is the ideal time. Go level fishing, cooking, whatever. Just don't hit 70. Also, don't waste honor or badges on easily replaceable gear. After hitting 70, it won't take you long to be able to get S4 gloves/legs.

After you have your marks, hit 70, and farm AV for the rest of your honor. On Mag there are almost always premade AVs going, and this is by far the best honor/hour. Also, hire an epic healer to help you in arena. When I first started arena, I paid a full S3 priest 25g per win (drastically better than going 0-10 every week, trying by myself in bad gear). Also, once you get a bit of gear, do what heroics you can (start with slave pens and ramparts). You'll need the badges to buy your cloak and gems.

Have fun

Azq

[merujo]

With wotlk rapidly approaching, I don't see much point in gearing up 70s.

well... it will come in 3/4 months or so, but still, i dont see why we shouldn't wanna gear. Thats one of the reasons why we play, to gear up, even if ur going to trade a piece after 5 minutes in northrend.
I heard the same comment from a T6 guy, doing sunwell, and i kinda laughed. He said to a friend why was he gearing up the alt, with the WotlK so close, while he himself does 5 hours of raiding daily to...down boss's and get gear.

imo, theres not much to discuss regarding this...wanna do some av's while leveling? great. The rest is about farming, get to 70, do some arenas, etc...

[Havelcek]

Thanks Azq

[Hypermoo]

With wotlk rapidly approaching, I don't see much point in gearing up 70s.

well... it will come in 3/4 months or so, but still, i dont see why we shouldn't wanna gear. Thats one of the reasons why we play, to gear up, even if ur going to trade a piece after 5 minutes in northrend.
I heard the same comment from a T6 guy, doing sunwell, and i kinda laughed. He said to a friend why was he gearing up the alt, with the WotlK so close, while he himself does 5 hours of raiding daily to...down boss's and get gear.

imo, theres not much to discuss regarding this...wanna do some av's while leveling? great. The rest is about farming, get to 70, do some arenas, etc...
I'm all about efficiency. I doubt any fresh 70s are going to have much sucess in arena. With that in mind, I think it is more productive to level new teams, rather than focus on just one. I understand most people still want gear, which is why all but one line of my post was devoted to describing what I think the best method is.

Havelcek, depending on what your goals are for the gear, you may want to contact guild Superiority Complex. They sell BT gear, and gold comes easy once you hit 70.

[heyaz]

Expansion is still 3-4 months off, assuming no delays. You could be in full season 2 in like two weeks. If you enjoy it, go ahead and do it. I don't mind the grind to a point, especially because you can gear up all your characters at once. I find the AV grind mostly painless if you just put on a movie or listen to an audio book. All I do is stand at frostwolf and dot people.

I don't really understand the whole not doing anything that requires work until the expansion, as if the goal of the game is zero duplicated effort and not fun, but to each his own.

[puppychow]

I think as long as you don't go nuts and kill yourself its worth doing still. For example, getting a full s2 over 2-3 weeks at 2-3 hours a day is easy and the gear will work well even as you level in wotlk. On the other hand, spending hundreds of hours farming for scryer/aldor rep is pretty pointless now. Doing the easy SSO dailies is worth it, there are tons of rewards at exalted and the dailies give a ton of gold, especially if you multibox. Even some of the Netherwing dailies can be worth it, although I'd skip any of the hard ones or the collection ones (takes maybe 2x longer to rep up, but so what).

On the other hand, killing yourself trying to do a ton of daily heroics to get badge gear probably not worth it, when my shamans hit 70 i'll do a heroic a day and get a few items, not gonna try to get every single thing I can.

[Dominian]

having pvp gear atleast for me who is stationed at a pvp server WILL be a must when WOTLK launches. If you have green/blues the gank train will run you over all day long.

[merujo]

In the end it all comes down to what u like the most. Some ppl love to level up boxing teams, and think they will have valuable accounts if they level many chars. Guess what? they will.
But i am too tired to level chars again. I leveled 5 70's solo and a team of 5 boxing. Theres a chance to try 5 locks and 5 hunters, but thats all, i dont think i can level again a whole team, it's too much XP :P
So, it comes down to what u like to do the most, with or without a close expansion, i like to gear up.

[pinotnoir]

Havel what AZQ said is right on. I got my wsg and ab marks at level 59. I plan on getting all the eots marks at 69. Then all I have to do is av premade to gear them up. I have my fill in team at lvl 66 right now. I am not going to go nuts trying to gear fully. However, they will have decent gear. I may hire a healer once my 2 shaman reach 70 that way I can 5v5. At this point I dont have much time to play so I cant grind to much.

[Tizer]

You really really dont have to do AV premades to win when you are mulitboxing. All you do is defend galv and take back towers for a 90% win.

[merujo]

You really really dont have to do AV premades to win when you are mulitboxing. All you do is defend galv and take back towers for a 90% win.
and pray that half av doesnt follow u and/or attack :)

Clean av: i go to Balinda, erase their first attack, get SH bunker back, and proceed.
Gay av: i go to Balinda with 20 followers, erase everyone rushing, get bunkers back...and everyone is owning at noobhill lol

[Havelcek]

Well I started doing AB & WSG this weekend as I dinged 59, AB was great as I would basically just camp a node and hold it.

WSG was an entirely different issue though. I just can't figure out how to effectively use this pally 4xshaman team. I felt like I just floundered the whole time and had barely a 50-50 win ratio.

[Tizer]

drop the pally and allow another person in to "roam free" and away from your team, or let someone else play your pally for you. Playing as 4 dps and having to heal yourself is way too complex, i dont care how good you are its not as productive. I still find WSG a challenge, but i have a much better win ratio than 50/50

[Kulzor]

I did my first AV matches this last weekend with my 4-box gang, and lost 18 of 20 matches.

What do you mean by "taking back the towers?" I heard a few people bring that up, but no one would explain it when asked...

[merujo]

I did my first AV matches this last weekend with my 4-box gang, and lost 18 of 20 matches.

What do you mean by "taking back the towers?" I heard a few people bring that up, but no one would explain it when asked...

well... as horde u have 4 towers...as ally u have 4 bunkers. 2 near galv and 2 near balinda. 2 towers at drek and 2 at vanndar.

when the enemy caps them, u have to go there, and cap them back to ur side, or else, it will be one less warmaster protecting ur last boss.

must be difficult to see it clearly, u'll know what i mean in no time :)

[Havelcek]

drop the pally and allow another person in to "roam free" and away from your team, or let someone else play your pally for you. Playing as 4 dps and having to heal yourself is way too complex, i dont care how good you are its not as productive. I still find WSG a challenge, but i have a much better win ratio than 50/50I'm doing this purely for getting marks at 59 so I don't have to do it at 70. If I drop my pally then he's going to be out of luck.

[Tizer]

drop the pally and allow another person in to "roam free" and away from your team, or let someone else play your pally for you. Playing as 4 dps and having to heal yourself is way too complex, i dont care how good you are its not as productive. I still find WSG a challenge, but i have a much better win ratio than 50/50I'm doing this purely for getting marks at 59 so I don't have to do it at 70. If I drop my pally then he's going to be out of luck.I see the logic, i'm in a similar situation, i have 4 shaman and a pally too, however, i rarely bother with the pally as i always ask for someone from the guild to be my healing bitch. It works a lot better and leaves me to pew pew.

You will have a lot better luck @ 70 when you are in AV's, you can drag your pally along on follow and nobody will care. You will be doing the damage of 10 men and turning the bgs around for your team to go in your favour.

so the choices are, continue to struggle or ditch it and pick it up later (imo).

I've actually ditched my pally totally, as i did plan to do PvE instances with it, but realised life would be so much easier with 5 shaman. Plus if i am playing 5 shaman in PVP it means all 5 of my toons are being useful instead of having a leeching pally on follow. :> Unfortunately my 5th shaman is only 18 and i struggle to find the will to level it :)

[Havelcek]

Yep I'm right there with you. But gotta get the marks somehow =(

[pinotnoir]

Unless you plan on making your pally a pvp healer he only needs the marks for the +damage mace. Thats a good tank weapon for him. I dont bring my pally to bg's because he is my tank. I never plan on using him for anything else. In wsg I had the best luck doing the following; Killing everyone on the alliance side of the map middle, taking my group into their base and nuking everyone, and camping their graveyard. This usually allowed the others to get the flag and cap it. Sometimes I would take the flag and run it back but I prefer to kill everyone. Try dropping the pally and playing the 4 dps. You only need 50 wsg marks.

In AB I would start off by going to LM. It seemed like alliance always went there but never in a super large group. I could kill them and move to stables. The win % in our bg for ab at 59 is pretty high. I cant count how many 5 caps we had. I would try never to stay at a base unless it was stables. With my 4 guys it was too easy to kill them. Most of the game I am running from node to node nuking them. Sometimes alliance just plain gave up. Also, you will notice horde usually start ab with more people at that lvl on our bg. It makes it much easier to 5 cap.

[Havelcek]

Unless you plan on making your pally a pvp healer he only needs the marks for the +damage mace. Thats a good tank weapon for him. I dont bring my pally to bg's because he is my tank. I never plan on using him for anything else. In wsg I had the best luck doing the following; Killing everyone on the alliance side of the map middle, taking my group into their base and nuking everyone, and camping their graveyard. This usually allowed the others to get the flag and cap it. Sometimes I would take the flag and run it back but I prefer to kill everyone. Try dropping the pally and playing the 4 dps. You only need 50 wsg marks.

In AB I would start off by going to LM. It seemed like alliance always went there but never in a super large group. I could kill them and move to stables. The win % in our bg for ab at 59 is pretty high. I cant count how many 5 caps we had. I would try never to stay at a base unless it was stables. With my 4 guys it was too easy to kill them. Most of the game I am running from node to node nuking them. Sometimes alliance just plain gave up. Also, you will notice horde usually start ab with more people at that lvl on our bg. It makes it much easier to 5 cap.So you don't put the S2 resilience gear on your tank at 70? I apologize for the stupid questions as I've never played a pally before. It would certainly be easier to just play 4 shaman in WSG, that's for damn sure.

[Havelcek]

Given what we are starting to see with WOTLK gear, do you guys think it still makes sense to bank honor tokens for some point in the future? I'm having good success in AB at 59...or should I just get out and level like crazy to make 70 in time for wotlk and do the tokens some other time?

[Tizer]

I think you got plenty of time to get some gear and tokens tbh.

[pinotnoir]

Unless you plan on making your pally a pvp healer he only needs the marks for the +damage mace. Thats a good tank weapon for him. I dont bring my pally to bg's because he is my tank. I never plan on using him for anything else. In wsg I had the best luck doing the following; Killing everyone on the alliance side of the map middle, taking my group into their base and nuking everyone, and camping their graveyard. This usually allowed the others to get the flag and cap it. Sometimes I would take the flag and run it back but I prefer to kill everyone. Try dropping the pally and playing the 4 dps. You only need 50 wsg marks.

In AB I would start off by going to LM. It seemed like alliance always went there but never in a super large group. I could kill them and move to stables. The win % in our bg for ab at 59 is pretty high. I cant count how many 5 caps we had. I would try never to stay at a base unless it was stables. With my 4 guys it was too easy to kill them. Most of the game I am running from node to node nuking them. Sometimes alliance just plain gave up. Also, you will notice horde usually start ab with more people at that lvl on our bg. It makes it much easier to 5 cap.So you don't put the S2 resilience gear on your tank at 70? I apologize for the stupid questions as I've never played a pally before. It would certainly be easier to just play 4 shaman in WSG, that's for damn sure.

LOL No I dont tank with pvp gear. I use PVE gear to tank with. Here is a good site for pally tanks http://maintankadin.failsafedesign.com/