Why go horde?

[Sam DeathWalker]

Although I prefer evil races in general I am not overly thrilled by the Female Troll Mohawk look which seems the best looking shaman Horde has to offer.

Seems the Dranie (new Alliance Race) looks a lot better. Allience is underdog 60-40 percent game wide, is there a particular reason to go horde?

Blackrock Relm has very high Horde activitiy. Thats a lot better then the enemy I would have on Nazhul. And improves my possibility for world pvp.

http://www.warcraftrealms.com/activity.php?serverid=6

http://www.warcraftrealms.com/activity.php?serverid=19


http://www.warcraftrealms.com/realmstats.php?sort=HordePopulation

[Rodskii]

Honestly there is no reason for one or the other besides personal preference. Either way you have the exact same classes. I have been horde from day one and will never look back but that is because I just love the fantasy aspect of the "evil" characters. The only difference between the factions is the racial abilities that the races get. If you are looking to play a Shaman for PvP then the Horde orc racials are best. For PvE the dranei and troll racials are good. But then again that is my personal opinion....


ohhh and I would like to add that population really has nothing to do with anything these days. There is very limited world PvP. Everything is determined now by queues for the BG's and Arenas. If you are on the majority side there will be less gankers during the leveling process ;) Just food for thought....

[Sam DeathWalker]

If I dont get the undead racial I dont really see any big edge in any of the racials. Just going for looks as I have to look at my characters for the next 5 years lol ...

I'v logged into the free trial deal, lots of graphics problems but thats with EVERYTHING on full. World does look very nice for sure though.

[Rodskii]

25% stun resist from the orc racial is huge.... trust me....

[Sam DeathWalker]

Ya that may well be but ... they is just to ugly to consider ... I mean really the overriding consideration should be where will I find the most oppenents to kill lol ... Also a relm where horde has been ruling and winning all the time is going to be less concerned with fighting me as they are probably board and want soem kind of action.

[Rodskii]

Honestly the racials are not going to be a "i win" button so play whatever you like. If you are going for looks then it is a toss up between Dranei and Trolls. Go with your favorite cause it's your characters :)

[Tdog]

25% stun resist from the orc racial is huge.... trust me....it got nerfed to 15% awhile ago. Still good though...

[Mercurio]

If I had it to do over again I would go horde.

All those tauren shammies and blood elf pallies with their insta-AOE interrupts and stuns/silences make me cry in arena.

Totally overpowered compared to the squid +1% to hit that my guys have (and no, it doesn't even stack).

[puppychow]

You should roll 25 male tauren shamans, warstomp is very powerful (you can setup macros in WoW so it chains them, basically melee would be CC'd for a while). Troll racials are terrible. Orc racials are good, but mainly best for PVP warriors (stacking stun resist) and hunters. Once you get a male tauren geared out, they look incredibly badass, plus they are absolutely huge which is an advantage in multiboxing for both you and in PVP.

Blackrock is a good server, one of the top in PVE progression and its part of battlegroup9. Lots of alliance who do world PVP on it as well, in small groups, so they will be blown away by 25 man team.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Well the male tarun shaman does look kinda nice

http://i6.tinypic.com/6oo8u10.jpg http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/7383/zeraposesz8.jpg

[Tree]

Afraid that's an Orc ;)

[Sam DeathWalker]

Lol ... well humm that was the results from the google search ... I think I have to go to a city and just see things in game for myself ...

[Tree]

Meh, tauren look nearly the same. Just imagine them as taller and more buff looking.

You could also use wowmodelviewer to test out your future character ideas in the gear of your choice. It's what I do whenever I make a new one. http://www.wowmodelviewer.org/

[Lokked]

You could consider that fighting against horde means you would have to deal with AE Stun (Warstomp from Tauren) and AE Silence (Arcane Torrent from Blood Elves), but with 24 DPS, I don't think it will matter.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Humm I was looking here:

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/items/armorsets/

And all the races armorsets are the same ... Once they get into their armor its just a difference is size basically.

Let me check out the link you gave it looks good.

[Kayley]

Orcs look best imo :D

[Pent]

Tauren males look the best in armor because everything is so giant and stands out, while orcs have the best racials for shaman.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Ya Tarun Males are the largest for sure. And it does seem they look best in armor....

That wowmodelviewer is amazing lol ...


Well OK right now I am leaning towards

25 Tarun Male Shaman
1 Blood Elf Female Paladin (At least one needs to be good looking lol)

And NerZuhl server from the LA datacenter (closest to me) pvp with high alliance population ...

[Vyndree]

is there a particular reason to go horde?

Racials.

Alliance tends to have defensive racials and/or PvE racials.

Horde racials are more PvP friendly, and tend to be more offensive.


What I wouldn't give to trade BOTH of my racials -- 1% non-stacking hit aura and Gift of the Naaru (lol cast time?) -- for a SINGLE horde racial... Like the orc racial "trinket" or warstomp.

+hit? Shammies are flooded with +hit in their talents. Racial HoT? With a cast time that's affected by pushback and a 1min cooldown that heals for little to nothing in DPS gear?? No thanks.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Ok now the matter of which tank:


Re: Deathknight, Warrior, Druid, and Paladin tank 22/06/2008 04:13:09 PDT
aye, the Dotter speaks the truth.
Warrior> allround tanks
Druid> Roadblock Melee soak tanks
Pally> AoE tanks
DK>Magic mitigation tanks

so a warrior can do it all, a Pally is best at large groups, but can tank single targets as well. Druid's are great against heavy hitting melee targets, but bad against Magic based damage, and DK's are the opposite, able to easily tank heavy magic based encounters, and good but not great against melee

Which of those 4 is going to be strongest in resisting pvp ranged damage or magic? Don't want my main assist to get CC. Maybe the Druid can shapeshift out of poly?
I would like a bit of pve tanking ability also but I guess pvp resistence to oppenents attacks is most important. Not sure about DK but if they mitigate spells best ...

[Rodskii]

I would say Pally for the sole fact that your are already going to be controlling ALOT of characters and seeing as a pally can effectively tank multiple mobs it will limit the amount of attention you will have to use on picking up those "straglers" that may get by by and attack your other characters.

[Sam DeathWalker]

What about the Druid ability to rez during battle? And to shift out of poly?

Yes Pally is best for PvE against non boss mobs. And aoe tanking is very very good for boxers.

[Naysayer]

Ya Tarun Males are the largest for sure. And it does seem they look best in armor....

That wowmodelviewer is amazing lol ...


Well OK right now I am leaning towards

25 Tarun Male Shaman
1 Blood Elf Female Paladin (At least one needs to be good looking lol)

And NerZuhl server from the LA datacenter (closest to me) pvp with high alliance population ...I'd love to see the totem forest 24 shaman would create. ;)

[Naysayer]

What about the Druid ability to rez during battle? And to shift out of poly?

Yes Pally is best for PvE against non boss mobs. And aoe tanking is very very good for boxers.Druids would be a good choice. You could go 25 druids since they can tank, dps, and heal very well if spec'ed and geared accordingly. Also, they can stealth ;).

[Sam DeathWalker]

No I am going 25 shaman and 1 tank.

The question is which tank.

First Priority is to stay viable in pvp as the tank will be the main assist.


It seems all 3 tanks can do most pve boss, and for all other pve its clear that the Pally is the best due to aoe abilities.

But for PvP who can resist ranged attacks the best and still target oppenents?

Maybe this timely thread will supply the answer:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=BD566649D8976DD08C6DFFDEDB5 A314B.app11_05?topicId=8557299139&sid=1

[Vyndree]

But for PvP who can resist ranged attacks the best and still target oppenents?

Both pally and druid do well as resto or holy spec (healing) for PvP, but are relatively weak in their tanking roles. Paladins will easily have their righteous defense purged off and then lose much of their durability. In the case of druid, you also have boomkin -- which would do nicely with the nature debuff they can apply to opponents. High amount of synergy there, and their aura in WoTLK is getting nicely buffed.

Warriors also do fairly terrible as prot PvP, however they are decent in Fury for the mortal strike debuff.


Melee are tough to multibox with casters -- particularly casters without instant-casts (i.e. shaman). Personally I'd respec the tank to a durable healer for PvP encounters (in which case, pallies work brilliantly due to their mana efficiency, BoP for anyone getting spiked by melee -- a ele shaman's weakness, or a boomkin for its DPS synergy.

[Zaelar]

You can still target for assist purposes when cced/stunned. However if you still have everyone on follow and you get hit by a cc that causes movement(fear, sheep), then everyone else will still follow and get their casts interrupted and maybe even face the wrong way so it's still something to worry about.

Paladins get invulnerability to everything for 12s every 5 min(4 w/ talents). Can only be dispelled by mass dispel. It's even usable when already stunned or cced. They also have blessing of freedom to escape snares. Their dispel(cleanse) will also likely be more useful to you than the druid dispels, especially if you use totems.

Druids can shape shift to avoid cc, but I don't think they have anything for stun. They can also shift to travel form to get out of snares. If you don't want to do anything at all you can stealth, but any time the stealth would matter you'll likely get taken out of it by an aoe.

Both have good buffs. Neither can be undead.

If you want to keep the druid in tank/survival mode, they won't have much utility since they can't cast spells. The paladin has a few things he can do including heal himself, provide an aura to the party/raid(in wotlk), a single target stun(1 min cooldown, reducible with talents), a fairly low damage aoe, and can use avenger's shield every 30s to slow some enemies. While in bear form the druid won't be doing much other than that spell that prevents stealth and maybe stunning things that get close if you have rage. If you leave bear form you get a root and/or heal which might be useful but you leave yourself vulnerable.

Warriors are pretty much druids without the option of changing forms to root/spell or their good buff, but they can be undead. It's also said they require the most attention out of the tanks, but that's more for pve. If you're just sitting there doing nothing then I think they'll survive the longest though.

Death knights look like they might have some gimmicks, like that ability that pulls targets near you into 20 fire totems. I'm guessing they would be above warriors at least, but I haven't played one or really dissected what they can do yet so I dunno.

[Ðeceased]

Seems the Dranie (new Alliance Race) looks a lot better. Allience is underdog 60-40 percent game wide, is there a particular reason to go horde?

Are we reading the same stuff?

http://www.warcraftrealms.com/realmstats.php?sort=HordePopulation

Overall Alliance: 2,128,143 (54%) Horde: 1,817,568 (46%)

Usually I do it like this :) find a server where alliance outnumber you by a huge amount.. then watch the "We wipe you on galv" vids on www.warcraftmovies.com and be inspired to lead the charge against the alliance :)

oh and tauren shammies FTW :P they look badass when they gear up :) plus you get all the cow jokes later on ^^

EDIT: oh soz were you talking about PvP realms? in which case ay Horde will be in the majority in most cases

[Sam DeathWalker]

Err you are right, alliance is more then horde not sure where I got the impressions otherwise, maybe those dont count asian relms.


You can still target for assist purposes when cced/stunned. However if you still have everyone on follow and you get hit by a cc that causes movement(fear, sheep), then everyone else will still follow and get their casts interrupted and maybe even face the wrong way so it's still something to worry about.

Paladins get invulnerability to everything for 12s every 5 min(4 w/ talents). Can only be dispelled by mass dispel. It's even usable when already stunned or cced. They also have blessing of freedom to escape snares. Their dispel(cleanse) will also likely be more useful to you than the druid dispels, especially if you use totems.

Druids can shape shift to avoid cc, but I don't think they have anything for stun. They can also shift to travel form to get out of snares. If you don't want to do anything at all you can stealth, but any time the stealth would matter you'll likely get taken out of it by an aoe.

Both have good buffs. Neither can be undead.

If you want to keep the druid in tank/survival mode, they won't have much utility since they can't cast spells. The paladin has a few things he can do including heal himself, provide an aura to the party/raid(in wotlk), a single target stun(1 min cooldown, reducible with talents), a fairly low damage aoe, and can use avenger's shield every 30s to slow some enemies. While in bear form the druid won't be doing much other than that spell that prevents stealth and maybe stunning things that get close if you have rage. If you leave bear form you get a root and/or heal which might be useful but you leave yourself vulnerable.

Warriors are pretty much druids without the option of changing forms to root/spell or their good buff, but they can be undead. It's also said they require the most attention out of the tanks, but that's more for pve. If you're just sitting there doing nothing then I think they'll survive the longest though.

Death knights look like they might have some gimmicks, like that ability that pulls targets near you into 20 fire totems. I'm guessing they would be above warriors at least, but I haven't played one or really dissected what they can do yet so I dunno.

Ok tremor totoms will protect me against most CC but I still have to worry about sheep, stun is not so bad if I can still target, and I am not moving to cause others to move. Im just worried about losing the ability to target.

As you say Fear and Sheep will goof up movement, but I have ok against fear.

So it would seem that Druid is most effective against sheep, moreso then Paladin.

So Druid is the way to go unless DK has some tricks against sheep.

[Wilbur]

Grounding totems.

Seriously Sam, I'd stop all this theorycrafting until you've actually played the game.

[Depherios]

Warstomp...

Go horde for Warstomp...

(meaning Tauren)

5x Warstomp is so OPed

[Depherios]

Warstomp...

Go horde for Warstomp...

;(meaning Tauren)

5x Warstomp is so OPed




edit: interesting, it won't let me delete this interesting second post....

[bbj]

What about the Druid ability to rez during battle? And to shift out of poly?

Yes Pally is best for PvE against non boss mobs. And aoe tanking is very very good for boxers.Druids would be a good choice. You could go 25 druids since they can tank, dps, and heal very well if spec'ed and geared accordingly. Also, they can stealth ;).Most Importantly druids HOTs and DOTs stack ontop of each other.

[Vyndree]

Paladins get invulnerability to everything for 12s every 5 min(4 w/ talents). Can only be dispelled by mass dispel. It's even usable when already stunned or cced.

Check teh WotLK patch notes. It's no longer immunity.

[puppychow]

think paladins still keep divine shield (12 sec invuln), but they are changing the other divine spell (forgot the name, you learn it low level) to reduce damage by 50% for 12 seconds - ie semi shield wall. Good for prot pallys.

and the idea of a tank for pvp is kinda pointless, you'd have an easier time just having 25 of the same class so all your buttons can map exactly the same. There will be little benefit to having a pally, druid, DK, or warrior as your main if your goal is just open world PVP.

[HPAVC]

I think Symbol of Hope ('http://www.wowwiki.com/Symbol_of_Hope') and Chastise ('http://www.wowwiki.com/Chastise') are pretty damn useful, Inspiring Presence ('http://www.wowwiki.com/Inspiring_Presence') is just free win. All my toons and pets are are mana users. I just don't see that sort of caster love on the horde side. Cannibalize was awesome when I was single boxing warlock, but its gimped now and not needed with a AoE healer. The BE racials are just disappointing.

I am really please that I dumped my human priest for a Draenei. If Draenei could be warlocks, zomg.

[Littleburst]

A paladin is a lot better tank then the druid for your goal imo. I got a 70 druid tank myself as main.

Paladin also gives you an awesome buff: Blessing of kings, increases all stats by 10%. And a paladin can dispel normal magic buffs, i think that's gonna be very usefull aswell. If a shaman get's feared or sheeped you can dispel it and move on, instead of having to wait for it to wear off or just abandon him.

[Vyndree]

Inspiring Presence is just free win

Except that it doesn't stack.

If it stacked, it would be win.

Furthermore, enh shammies are stuck with +hit to spells and prot pallies/holy pallies are stuck with +hit to melee. Really sucks for hybrids if it's not the aura you wanted.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Ok ya Divine Shield and Cleanse ftw and going to take Paladin.


Well all set finally

1 Blood Elf Female Paladin
25 Tauren Male Shaman


Dont see any nerf to divine shield:
http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_3.0.1#Paladins


This is most interesting:


Unlocking your death knight
Main article: Starting a death knight
The death knight is the first hero class in World of Warcraft. This is a second and separate character from your original character and can be created as soon as one of the existing characters in your account reaches level 55. After making a death knight, you will not lose the access to any of your existing characters. The death knight will start at level 55 in Acherus: The Ebon Hold over the Eastern Plaguelands, with multiple spells and abilities ready to use, and a set of uncommon gear. Through the death knight-specific quests in this necropolis and the surrounding areas, the character learns to master the power of the death knight and learns to use this new power for the will of the Lich King. Quests will take them outside the necropolis and into an area within the Scarlet Enclave.

Accounts will be limited to one death knight per realm and can make them on any server, even servers where you have no characters. PvP servers are still limited by faction (i.e. if you have an Alliance character on a PvP server, you cannot make a Horde death knight on that PvP server).

So I go paladin now, and if some abilities of DK seem better, I can get a level 55 one later ... hum.

[homerjunior]

If you read the lore alliance are the backstabbing evil ones :)

[Zub]

Seriously Sam, I'd stop all this theorycrafting until you've actually played the game.
have to agree with that.

It's funny to see someone planning on rolling 25 toons together, with no knowledge of the game basics whatsoever >.<

[Sam DeathWalker]

Thats the power of the internet, you can avail yourself of 1000's of experts on most any subject, even if you know nothing to start with.

[Otlecs]

Thats the power of the internet, you can avail yourself of 1000's of experts on most any subject, even if you know nothing to start with.
And every expert is telling you that it's a pointless exercise :)

Both threads on this to date (and the exercise itself if anything ever actually comes of it) smack of simple attention-seeking. Come back and tell us how you're ACTUALLY getting on when you've done something interesting in WoW.

[Zub]

Come back and tell us how you're ACTUALLY getting on when you've done something interesting in WoW.

*I* killed hogger :-)

[Doc2e1]

Why play Horde?


1) They are awesome.

2) You get to kill gnomes.

3) WE ARE NOT EVIL, the humans have been trying to commit genocide against us since the beginning. Who is evil? The ones trying to make war against us, or us who just want to be left alone?

4) We are awesome.

-Doc

[lacitpo]

And every expert is telling you that it's a pointless exercise :)

Both threads on this to date (and the exercise itself if anything ever actually comes of it) smack of simple attention-seeking. Come back and tell us how you're ACTUALLY getting on when you've done something interesting in WoW.I wouldn't say pointless. I think there are a lot of areas about the game that he's still a bit oblivious about but I've kept up for the most part with his topics since he first posted and he knows a ton more now than he did when he started.

As far as your setup sam, I have one suggestion. It looks like you are looking for a tank to use more as a durable main assist rather than as an actual tank. As in, you aren't looking to have him tank as much as just be your eyes and ears in the game with your 25 slaves following. Is that correct?

If so, I think a paladin might be your best option. With divine shield he can go invulnerable for a short time maybe giving you enough time to nuke the crap out of whoever may be trying to kill you (I'm thinking in terms of AV battleground). In world pvp which currently is like looking for big foot or the lochness monster, you'll nuke anyone you come across before they can touch your clone army. However, I want to be really clear on two things.

1. In it's current state, there is almost no consistent, quality world PVP on any server that I know of, regardless of Horde/Alliance imbalance. With a 25 man army, you might be able to provoke some confrontations, but I don't think it's going to be what you are imagining it to be.

2. When you go to warcraftrealms.com and look up horde:alliance ratios, you should take two things into account. First, those statistics mean very little. 2nd, you need to narrow your search down to only lvl 70's. For example.

Rivendare Default 42% alliance / 58% horde
Rivendare lvl 70's 26% alliance/ 74% horde

[Sam DeathWalker]

I have settled on

Blood Elf Female Paladin (1)
Tauren Male Shaman (25).

Got one copy of BattleChest makeing the Paladin today. (21 on order at $29.99 each), then Ill order 5 more tommorow.


Good point on the relem level 70 look up, Ill redo the search.

[Havelcek]

So I'm not a rocket scientist or anything but isn't that 26 accounts?

[Zub]

I'm still unsure what you want to do with a group of 1 paly and 25 shamies.
- World PVP ? mostly inexistant on all realms, and i would think nowhere with 25 toons together on one side, so you'll get to one-shot a couple guys here and there and that's probably it. Then again you could do that with 5 toons.
Maybe would a mob get together and fight you? i doubt it will happen much really but hey, who knows.

- Battleground pvp? the only one you'll fit in is AV, and MBxing AV with 26 toons will probably become very boring after 2 games. in any case it's a long way before you get there, it's level 50 min.

- PVE? Raid that take 25 people start at level 60 and wont be easy if you're not geared from instances beforehand.
level 70 raids i can't see how 1 tank will work, not even talking about the lack of class makeup needed in every boss encounter.

Also, i think i've read in the previous pages about the paly used to tank in PvP.. hum, what? not sure i get this, especially with the fire power you have cant imagine you'd want him to 'tank' anything
If the paly is purely there to powerlevel the other 25 toons, then you should probably start leveling it now, and not buy the other accoutns for another couple months.

not sure how you will level your 25 toons. if it's buy grinding mobs, then 5 shamans will do as good as 25, they already 1 shot everything around. basically instead of dealing 1500 dmg to a mob with 1000hp (killing it), you'll deal 7500 to that mob with 1000hp (killling it the same), but you'll have 25 guys with a bit less mana instead of 5.
Do you have a plan, or an estimated time it will take you to have 26 level 70?

so, i'm a bit perplexed about this whole 26 boxed group..
If it's just an e-peen thing, then good on you, go for it and have fun.
but in that case no point worrying about the class makeup and horde/alliance, the server pop, the toon racials and all the posts in the couple threads about all this. Just do your 2 toons, get them to level x, plant your totems and take a screenshot. Done.

I feel like i'm looking at a man who has asked how to pilot a boeing 747 on an internet forum, got a number of answers, bought the plane and is sitting excited in the cockpit.
now I'm now looking at the plane, interested to see if it will move, and if it does, to go where?

Mad props to you if you get to kill Gruull or dominate AV though, or whatever equivalent there will be in WotLK.
In the meantime it will be fun to see you in Org.

[Zub]

1 paladin
25 shamans

So I'm not a rocket scientist or anything but isn't that 26 accounts?
i think you're right


Got one copy of BattleChest makeing the Paladin today. (21 on order at $29.99 each), then Ill order 5 more tommorow.
1 + 21 + 5 = 27
I'm no rocket scientist either, but i think something is wrong here :-) unless the paly one is part of the 21 'on order' obviously

[Sam DeathWalker]

Looks like I order 4 more tommorow lol ...

Ok that realms site seems to unreliable, Im looking at this chart and seems that


http://wowjutsu.com/us/index.html

Shows that there are two high level Allience guilds on kiljaeden

It seems my potential oppenets are only going to be high level pve strong, and it seems that Kiljaeden has two such alliance guilds.

I am limited to pvp server and LA datacenter:

http://www.wowwiki.com/US_realm_list_by_datacenter


Mostly I plan to do Lake Wintergrasp, given its still in beta we don't know how it will play out but for sure there are rewards to holding it, I can get all 26 in, and surely it will be highly contested on most all servers if there are good loots to be had which seems the case.

[lacitpo]

Blizzard has a bad reputation for world PVP. I'm not peticularly a pvp oriented person myself, however, I know that in the past blizzard has claimed that new implementations will make world PVP viable, it has yet to happen. It looks like they at least have a grasp at what the problems are now and are working to fix them but I wouldn't put any money on it.

Have you settled on a method of leveling? You've got a lot of toons to gear up and I wondered if you had a method in mind?

[Millz]

I have settled on

Blood Elf Female Paladin (1)
Tauren Male Shaman (25).

Got one copy of BattleChest makeing the Paladin today. (21 on order at $29.99 each), then Ill order 5 more tommorow.


Good point on the relem level 70 look up, Ill redo the search.Startup Cost
26x $29.99 = $779.74

Per Month
26x $15 = $390

For 1 Year..
$779.74 (start-up fee)
$390 x 12 = $4680

Total for 1 year's game time: $5459.74.... For a game you've never played before? I'd laugh if 2 weeks down the line you decide you think the game is shit.

It's a computer game, regardless of how much money you may have to throw around... spending $390 a month on a computer game screams you need to leave the house more often. Whether you have 5 shamans or 25 shamans, your still going to 1 shot whoever you come up against.

[lacitpo]

I thought this forum was about being Positive Patricias, not Negative Nancy's

[Oatboat]

The reason I would go Horde is because alot of the Alliance are kids. Ages 8-15 year olds wanting to make a human/nightelf cause they look cool. While the horde are more veteran players that just pick the evil race lol.

This is not saying anyone on the alliance is a kid.. i play alliance cause my friends were there.. and i tried for months to get them to reroll :(

[phetish]

My opinion...

If I have to stare at the ass of character for hours on end, it might as well be cute...

Tauren butts - blech!
Draenei Female butts... Nice! (and the tail is just a bonus :) )

That's reason enough for me to stay alliance.

[Shuri]

The reason I would go Horde is because alot of the Alliance are kids.
Somewhat true. We have our fair share of kids as well, thankfully most of them are altaholics and primarily hang out in the barrens leveling alt # 8.

[Marathon]

You know I never saw the Tauren as evil.

[Marathon]

Oh and Barrens chat will make you question anyones maturity and age.

[Vyndree]

It seems my potential oppenets are only going to be high level pve strong, and it seems that Kiljaeden has two such alliance guilds.

I am limited to pvp server and LA datacenter:

http://www.wowwiki.com/US_realm_list_by_datacenter

PvE progression != PvP population.

A hardcore PvP guild can never touch a single raid and be MORE competitive through arena gear than a guild that's killing Kil'jaeden (the last boss in Sunwell).

I hear that if you want PvP competition, you roll on BG9. ;) Every other BG typically has their "best" PvP server in the lot -- you can try and figure out which one this is by going to the battlegroup forums for each BG. For example, a big PvP server on Stormstrike BG is Mal'Ganis.

[Mac]

I've played Alliance for a long time, I recently rolled a Horde Shaman team, and I'm having a lot of fun with it. However, I really see no difference between chat and other player behavior so far between the two factions, sorry to all you hard core Horde people who feel different, but I really don't see the difference. You could look at trade chat with both factions on different servers and see all the same crap. I haven't raided as Horde, but I was doing T5 on my ali and my guild that I raided with was mostly older adults who where old enough to have kids that also played, to give you an age estimate. So, I don't really see that faction automatically equals maturity at this point. Just go with what you like the looks of and the overall theme that appeals to you most. Some people are just Hard Core whatever and will be fanatical one way or another anyway.

As for the project , well sounds interesting, would be kinda cool to see, so good luck with it, like others have said, pvp wise? meh. pve wise, be cool to see what you could eventually raid with that group, but again, /shrug when its all said and done.

Having said that, I was thinking about my old RCE game reading this thread and thinking about the numbers. 5k a year is nothing for this other game. You can't really multibox it from what I have seen, but if you just have a lot of money and want to pwn, and then have something worth selling when you are done, you might want to go check it out. People with deep pockets often go there and invest heavily and own everyone in world pvp and are really hard to kill because they bought best weapons and armor, plus they make money off their investments, and eventually sell out or just hold on to their stuff and have someone else deal with it for them. So if you have that kind of cash, you might want to check it out. I played for a couple years and got burnt out and sold all my investments over there about a year ago, I go back and visit friends and pew pew some for fun, but you might want to investigate it if you haven't already. www.entropiauniverse.com

[McBooty]

Sam's crazy as duck, and as a multiboxer I instantly like his eccentric passion about what we do.

He's done it before in EverQuest©!, but that boat's sunk so I'm happy to hear he's trying WoW. The only reason I'm playing stinkin WoW is because I was on my 3 masterminds in City of Villains and someone said, "Keyclone FTW". Googling led me to Veronikå's videos and I was like "That's exactly what I've been doing all these years, MANUALLY!"

But I don't see how someone can be all pissy at Sam for wanting to try this. I don't see how someone can start doing monthly fee calculations when that's the crap we hear from the haters. As for doing it for attention, do you really think he's going to enjoy getting tells in 26 windows? I hate getting them in one window.

Tha's enough o' that. I want to talk about the initial topical responses to this thread. The horde isn't evil! That's what those 8-15 year old kids think. I was shocked to learn that Humans are the most-played race in WoW. I don't see why you'd play a role-playing fantasy game in which you play a human who fishes and kill rats for a few copper an hour.

Why do they think the horde is evil? Back in the days of the Burning Legion and all that, a bunch of mind-controlled Orcs invaded Azeroth and pwned humanity. Now they are no longer mind-controlled, and are really quite likeable.

Trolls? Probably looked at as evil because a great many of them are under corrupt magicks. The Darkspear Trolls, however, are completely independent, full of free will, and only JOKE about cannibalism (it's like people making fun of their Mormon friends for polygamy. It's no longer an issue but still a joke) They don't just have mohawks! Have you ever seen the ponytail look? Get the vibrantly red hair and you're gonna look amazing in gladiator gear.

Taurens: SOMEONE DIDN'T WANT TO COME OUT OF THEIR BIG GEE ELF TREE PARTY TO HELP THEM WHEN THE CENTAURS WERE COMMITTING GENOCIDE ON THESE PEACEFUL PEOPLE. But Thrall had the freaking COMPASSION to do so. He didn't stand to gain any kind of profit by doing so, but he was willing to let his own loyal Orcish horde men DIE just so the cows wouldn't.

Undead: They did not ask to be undead. These are humans that died and were resurrected by the Lich King. Then, Lady Sylvannas Windrunner (a Highbourne banshee) liberated them from his power, and they regained their own memories as they awoke in their burial places. If they die, they become part of the Twisting Nether, and this is their greatest fear (as afterlife concepts go, it's one of the least comfortable-sounding. Nobody's gonna twist my nether!)

So what is the alliance? Humans and Draenei have this concept of "The Light", and have decided that everything else is evil. If you don't pray to the same gods they do, you must be cleansed off the face of Azeroth. (Unless, of course, you're a Draenei shaman or a human who enslaves succubi and stuff) The Night Elves abandoned the Taurens in their hour of need, but now that the World Tree has fallen and they've lost their immortality, they need allies in this world so they pranced on down to Stormwind. The Humans abandoned their undead relatives, hence "The Forsaken". Admiral Proudmoore royally screwed over the Orcish allies. The "Nobles" of Stormwind City royally screwed over the masons who built the city, saying that they had no reason to pay them. (Get to know Edwin Van Cleef for more information on this, I don't spoiler things). Gnomes were forced to abandon their city because they were invaded by a bunch of radioactive cavemen, but despite their annoyingness they don't go out of their way to hurt any particular race or belief system.

The Dwarves are veterans, every last one. They'll all die to protect what they believe in, instead of sitting in a cathedral or up a tree or on a robot chicken or in a crashed spaceship preaching about crap. The first Dwarves were the Dwarven Sappers, who ONLY gave their lives to take enemy lives. I have no problem with them, and when the people in my office told me they were alliance (blech) I figured this was the only race to be while retaining my critical thinking skills and freedom of speech.

So that's it. Go alliance, Dwarf, but then you can't be 25 shamans. So make your 25 Draenei Shamans, proud members of the Spacegoat race, all of whom are "broken" or slaves in the Outlands.

-or-

Roll horde, always enjoy shorter queue times for battlegrounds (while the alliance is standing around waiting for a chance to slip in), and know that you're just trying to live a peaceful life while you are viciously hunted by those stupid fascists who care more about revenge for the war of their grandfathers than helping their own people (Sorry Westfall and Redridge, we can't spare any troops. Lady Kathera Prestor, a.k.a. Lady Onyxia, says you gotta start your own militia because we need them all elsewhere)

FOR THE HORDE!

[Zub]

Mostly I plan to do Lake Wintergrasp, given its still in beta we don't know how it will play out but for sure there are rewards to holding it, I can get all 26 in, and surely it will be highly contested on most all servers if there are good loots to be had which seems the case.

Damn, i wrote a full answer but it got thrown in the nether on a webpage error >.<

In short i was saying:
- Don't base your choice on the realm info sites. Their info is not accurate, and in any case it will all have changed by the time you're 70-80.
I would suggest you pick a realm that gives you a good ping, and that has a history of good uptime.

- Unless i'm confusing it with another zone, i believe Lake Wintergrasp will be a contested PVP zone no matter what type of realm you're on (PVE or PVP)
So basically everyone will be flagged. If you plan to camp there, then it doesn't matter if you're on a pve or pvp server. (have to double check that)

- Horde is not evil. Ugly perhaps, but not evil. Some *classes* might be evil, but they exist on both factions.
Create a level 1 tauren and see how peaceful their dwellings are. Perfect harmony with nature and elements.

- Alliance is not 12 years old. Or at least, it's not the only faction with 12yo. This was maybe true 3 years ago, but it's pretty much the same on both sides now. (and the 12yo are now 15 :-)


Camping Lake wintergrasp all the time will probably become boring very rapidly i think, and most probably the rewards only fit a few armor slots (no idea, will check) so you'll still need to do other stuff as well to gear up your toons.

I would strongly recommend you roll a character on any realm and get it to 20-30 at least the normal way, to get a feel of the game.
First off, it will answer 80% of all the questions you have. Second you'll find out right away if you want to be horde or alliance. Third, you might find out you dislike the game and go to AoC instead >.<

Good luck.

[Bradster]

i started alliance, tried hord after reaching level cap. After trying Horde I never looked back. Besides how else can you kill Gnomes? Overall it felt as if horde worked better as a team and contained more mature players. Being over two years since I've touched the alliance side, i'm sure it's pretty much the same now thanks to Blood Elfs.

To me the horde quest story lines have always had better stories imo.

When it comes down to it the choice is easy however.
Alliance = lets frolic in glee with our cute characters that look pretty
Horde = Think I look ugly? wait until i'm finished smashing your face. It’s all about who’s large and in charge!
Lol before the flames start, please realize I’m joking. Or am I? :rolleyes:

[valtrex]

I have always just like horde better for some reason. The starting areas are worse than alliance, the males all have back problems and we look like recessive gene pools all around, but I still love em.

[Dominian]

I must admit that im a hardcore horde player with 5 different classes + my 5 shamans on the way up.. However i do have a mage in the same battlegroup and it feels different to play bgs, the way i feel is that horde in general have ok pvp players but alot doesnt care about the teamplay. While the alliance have certain players who is totaly horrible in everyway but they also have theese guys that for some reason joins in full s3/s4 just to heal his mate wich i rarley see on the horde side. Theese are often skilled and geared healers wich can basicly hold a node vs 5 "ok" players in "ok" gear.


We also had BIG issuses the latest 4 months with starting with 6-7 players less. Do you have this in the US aswell?