Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying!Originally Posted by 'Owltoid',index.php?page=Thread&postID=172581#post 172581
Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying!Originally Posted by 'Owltoid',index.php?page=Thread&postID=172581#post 172581
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I saw very little hate in the thread. I saw someone post about their concerns about the software. I saw someone mention about Evilseeds/Mousecloners recent marketing technique (and I passed comment on both).Originally Posted by 'knopstr',index.php?page=Thread&postID=172551#post 172551
I think it would be remiss of this community not to warn others of a possible issue. It's been done before and hopefully will continue to work that way. Let's face it the community would face the fallout of any Blizzard bannings should the Autopositioning of the mouse be deemed to be against the TOS.
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1. HotkeyNet can click prerecorded X Y coordinates. (It can also broadcast to windows based on the mouse's actual position.)Originally Posted by 'Basilikos',index.php?page=Thread&postID=172562#po st172562
2. Unlike Mousecloner, I don't tell people this is okay in WoW. On the contrary, I tell people not to use this in WoW because I think it's illegal there and could get your account banned.
3. Unlike Mousecloner, I don't tell people that Blizzard has approved this. I don't think it's true that Blizzard has approved this.
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I can see your point of view and I agree, a little bit. However, what if you have two predetermined positions?Originally Posted by 'zanthor',index.php?page=Thread&postID=172578#post 172578
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It's very hard to replicate that with any sort of hardware solution.
Like KeyClone, HKN also has the ability to use predetermined X,Y coordinates. If users decide to take advantage of that option, then IMO they are against Blizzard policy. However, do I think Blizzard should ban HKN or Keyclone for that? I sure hope not since they have many other uses. Mouseclone has one use and claims that Blizzard is ok with that... there's where the problem is.
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Keyclone cannot currently use pre-determined x,y coordinates for mouse, You can map a mouse action to a key via mouse-map, or you can enable mouse passing, where you define a toggle for mouse click passing, hit the toggle, click and the click happens on the local window, then gets sent to the next instance, down the line, then you need to toggle it off. There is no way to set pre-defined X,Y locations to click.Originally Posted by 'Owltoid',index.php?page=Thread&postID=172588#post 172588
correct. i, like freddie, saw this as most likely against Blizzard's TOS/EULA, so i have deliberately avoided that functionality.Originally Posted by 'Svpernova09',index.php?page=Thread&postID=172591# post172591
rest assured, if this functionality is ok with Blizzard, a simpler UI will be available within keyclone.
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If blizzard ok's this, its going to be a field day of awesomesauce with what we can do with it.Originally Posted by 'keyclone',index.php?page=Thread&postID=172596#pos t172596
I used the predetermined x,y cordinates mouseclicks in hotkeynet for a while (against the author's advice), it worked great. But I felt it looked REALLY suspicious so I stopped using it, and switched to the normal keybinding mouse clicks. Using the predetermined X,Y system, It puts down the AOE in the EXACT same pattern every time, and I was worried that it be a red flag to see every AOE I casted was clicked in exactly screen position 600x600. I honestly don't know if this is a big enough deal to warrant any blizzard attention though. I think it'll come down to a very specific blue post, or someone getting banned before we know if it's acceptable.
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first off these are my opinions and i have nothing against evilseed.
imo from looking at the screenshots and reading what this product does it sounds like you setup some predetermined coordinates, define a mouse click that is pressed and assign a hotkey to it. I have not tested this myself but it sounds like what happens is you hit this hotkey and mousecloner moves to said x,y coordinates and clicks the button. The fact that it might be using predetermined coordinates steers me away from it.
if you direct yourself over to the upcoming features one the mousecloner website you will notice the top two features. An easier way to find x,y coordinates and a way to enable clicking without moving the mouse these both backup something that sounds like it would be against the eula and very close to automation.
once again i have not actually used the product this is all that i've gathered from reading and looking so it is strictly opinion based.
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Predetermined x,y coordinate clicking makes hardware 'boxers cry.Originally Posted by 'Svpernova09',index.php?page=Thread&postID=172597# post172597
The context of the blue post, while slightly ambiguous, does imply that "keyboard action" = "mouse movement" was OK. Granted, it's not a solid, unambiguous answer but since you're not exactly typing out a coordinate with the keyboard, I'd think the GM knew that "keypress"-->"mouse movement" means the keypress can initiate a mouse movement to a predetermined location, since keypresses cannot act on multiple axis like a mouse can.
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