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    so not sure how many read the forums i got this linked from a friend i find the blue posts very interesting. on why they still allow us to play likr this and how they look at the TOS.

    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/18300113639

    here some interesting stuff

    The difference is often how it functions. Imagine you had a wireless keyboard, that you hooked up to multiple computers. Every movement you made and key you pressed would be relayed to multiple computers and thus multiple characters. The programs available often just make that task a bit easier and not require multiple systems, depending on how beefy your system is. Not a lot of systems can manage to run multiple clients.

    Pressing 1 key and taking 5 actions on a single character/client is different as it allows a functionality that is not intended within the game.

    Q: I don't have a problem with boxers, heck I even use a trial account in addition to my main for some things, but it's only permitted because it makes Blizz more in subs. A literal reading of the TOU prohibits it.

    A:That is entirely untrue and always has been. One could argue that the frustration that a single multiboxer can cause actually costs subs, since a player who is frustrated that their character was killed by a single person (5 characters, but single real world person), may leave because of it.
    The fact of the matter is that there is nothing in our policies that would prohibit such actions. You are allowed to have multiple World of Warcraft licenses as well as Battle.net accounts. If that was prohibited that would also restrict minors from being able to play the game along with their parents as the account needs to be registered to the parent or legal guardian of a minor that is under 13. So if they allowed their child to play they would be restricted from doing so, if such policies did not otherwise allow for it.
    Q:Automation(n): : automatically controlled operation of an apparatus, process, or system by mechanical or electronic devices that take the place of human labor
    By key cloning or otherwise splitting the signal, even with hardware, you have removed the manual labor requirement of hitting 5 separate keys. You have automated the process on 4 out of 5 machines.

    A:By that definition a macro, available in-game, could be considered automation. A macro will often do more than one thing, but no more than the system allows. Additionally, a keycloning program can do the same thing as if you were to attach a single keyboard to multiple computers. Which could not be considered automation anymore than if one keyboard were to control a single character. Otherwise no one would be able to play at all.

    Automation in this case is to operate a single or multiple characters without direct input.

    Q:They do not have to support something to permit it.

    A: No, but we do not have to specifically state something as permitted in the Terms of Use for it to be allowed. Otherwise the Terms of Use would contain a great deal more to cover just about every eventuality.

    i.e. You may eat a sandwich while playing World of Warcraft, though one hand must be on your keyboard at all times unless you specifically say that you are away from your keyboard before you do.

    Silly, I know, but that is the point. It is near impossible to provide a list of all allowed behavior. The rules cover the basics of what you can do and much of what you should not and that is it.

    As noted, we have a clause stating that we may close an account for any reason we choose. We do not need to be vague just in case we change our minds. Our stance on multiboxing has existed since the very beginning and I can say with a great deal of certainty that if we ever decided to prohibit that particular play style that we would announce it and provide a grace period before the policy went into effect.
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    As we all know, a lot of people really don't understand what mboxing is and think we are just botting, we will always have this problem, as long as Blizzard are happy that is all that matters.
    I have had chats with GM's in game and never had a problem, One even told me he sometimes watches boxers as they are fun to watch.

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    Interesting. Seems like Blizzard has always had a pretty pragmatic and non-interventionist stance on it.

    The psychology of the anti-multiboxer provides considerable food for thought. Is it victim mentality? Just pure jealousy over people with more resources (slaves to the class-division rhetoric of the political elite)? Rules lawyers? Possessive of what they perceive as "their game" and detest anyone that isn't playing it the way they *feel* it should be played? Generalization based on the actions of a few well-known malefactors?

    Regardless of the specifics, it does seem like the type of person that gets bent out of shape over multiboxers is inexperienced in dealing with other humans in an objective, professional manner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ughmahedhurtz View Post
    Interesting. Seems like Blizzard has always had a pretty pragmatic and non-interventionist stance on it.
    I'm fairly certain that there are a handful of higher-ups at Blizzard who are familiar with multiboxing, and multibox themselves, but I can't know those details for sure. Others at Blizzard, such as Bashiok, Zarhym, and Holinka, have all spoken out against multiboxing publicly over the years, but I would like to believe that they're either tolerant of it outside of PvP, or don't really care enough to fight the policy internally. /shrug

    Quote Originally Posted by Ughmahedhurtz View Post
    The psychology of the anti-multiboxer provides considerable food for thought. Is it victim mentality? Just pure jealousy over people with more resources (slaves to the class-division rhetoric of the political elite)? Rules lawyers? Possessive of what they perceive as "their game" and detest anyone that isn't playing it the way they *feel* it should be played? Generalization based on the actions of a few well-known malefactors?

    Regardless of the specifics, it does seem like the type of person that gets bent out of shape over multiboxers is inexperienced in dealing with other humans in an objective, professional manner.
    This is something I've been truly interested in for some time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiRai View Post
    I'm fairly certain that there are a handful of higher-ups at Blizzard who are familiar with multiboxing, and multibox themselves, but I can't know those details for sure.

    Kalgan has said publicly the he has boxed. This was circa 2006-2007. I am sure the quote is out there on the net somewhere if someone wants to look it up. It sucks because I hate his raid or die philosophy bs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fat Tire View Post
    Kalgan has said publicly the he has boxed. This was circa 2006-2007. I am sure the quote is out there on the net somewhere if someone wants to look it up. It sucks because I hate his raid or die philosophy bs.
    Honestly, I think that has had more effect on my play/enjoyment than anything specific to multiboxing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fat Tire View Post
    Kalgan has said publicly the he has boxed. This was circa 2006-2007. I am sure the quote is out there on the net somewhere if someone wants to look it up. It sucks because I hate his raid or die philosophy bs.
    Kaplan I guess the video link is dead but Vyndree left the text a few posts in on this thread: http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/14897-Jeff-Kaplan-himself-on-Multiboxing!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiRai View Post
    Others at Blizzard, such as Bashiok, Zarhym, and Holinka, have all spoken out against multiboxing publicly over the years, but I would like to believe that they're either tolerant of it outside of PvP, or don't really care enough to fight the policy internally. /shrug
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    Ya i still don't believe that they removed /follow because of us. when i know players that been using some software we all know about for over a year now and there had gm's and everything talking to them (or so they say) and as of yet they not banned them, As they must feel there are in control of there chars.

    But you ask a gm about that software there standing is the same as isboxer we don't support 3rd party software. and even using pets/mounts Av yet to had a ban or even a gm talk to me but you know when you see something that looks fishy and you think your being watched.

    All i know is i been told we don't say what a multiboxer can and can not do. (as we would need to change the rules for groups of friends). I feel that's what a lot of them blue posts say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiRai View Post
    This is something I've been truly interested in for some time.
    I think most of their anger comes from a sense of fair play and cheating that is ground into us at an early age. I do think it is very odd, specifically in WoW, where 99% of the people who are upset with multi-boxing are not in competition with them. (everything in wow is instanced so anyone can go run a dungeon or raid and get loot. Unlike EQ1 where everyone is in direct competition with every loot drop; ie. there is only one Lady Vox for the whole server.) Regardless they see a behavior that is out of the norm that appears to grant an advantage. Anyone with an advantage is a cheater. Even casinos view counting cards as cheating. Pretty harsh for simply paying attention.

    I started MBing WoW simply because I was tired of dealing with other people's drama like bad tanks, healers, madona dps and the endless waiting for people to get in group. It was worth the extra subs to tackle content I was interested in w/o someone trying to ninja a drop for their alt or off-spec when it was an upgrade for me. Later it became a challenge to just see if you could defeat the mechanics. Now what little MBing I do is just time management. I don't have the time like I used to so to maximize my play time, I box.

    For a long time, and I still wonder why they let us box any game. Like the blue answer above, it only takes one bad experience for paying subs to cancel and any company that doesn't put the customer experience first is doomed. But I think he is also wrong when says that multi-boxing doesn't bring in a lot of cash. There are hundreds of thousands of people with more than one account. They may just be bank alts, healer alts, tradeskill alts or simply run out of character slots. I know dozens of people who have multiple accounts and do not view themselves as multi-boxers. Someone at Blizzard who has access to account statistics knows how foolish it would be to limit their players to a single licence.

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    I think most of their anger comes from just pure hater / troll nonsense. Don't forget what resides in /trade any any given moment and the insane anonymous gamer ego that exists.

    People hate LFR because its welfare epics, people hate progression because thats all blizz cares about, people hate crafting, people hate achievements, people hate rep grinds, people hate the blizzard store, people hate paid or even free boosts, people hate pet battles, people hate cross realm, people hate instance/pvp queues, people hate mercenary pvp ... multiboxing is just another thing to hate on.

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