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    Default CSM 10 Candidate Watch - Who is for and who is against our gameplay

    Voting Starts today, PLEASE VOTE no matter who you choose!
    Last day to vote is 3-10-2015

    (Work In progress)
    - Questions I posed to the CSM 10 Candidates
    http://pastebin.com/yubTB4sR
    - Sources are direct emails if no direct source is given, else I will link articles or podcasts etc.
    - I am the Judge and Jury in this particular thread, but if you think I am off base with a candidate please chime in, i'll likely change my decision with a good argument.

    For Multiboxing

    Angrod Losshelin
    Supports all current multiboxing and looks to advocate for multiboxing in the CSM. Source His CSM post and various podcasts.
    https://forums.eveonline.com/default...24&find=unread
    Also see - http://pastebin.com/Vne8j73w
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    Aeon Boirelle
    "This may lose me a few votes, but I believe that CCP was a little hasty in the way they tried to solve the issues that IS boxer was creating. And despite all the predictions in the forum post for it, I have yet to see a significant drop in plex price, or a better profit margin on industry. I have however noticed an decline in user online activity in the recent months, and a decrease in the value of deadspace modules which affects the income of High and Null alike. I believe that CCP should re-address this issue to come up with a solution that better addresses the problems at hand."
    https://sites.google.com/site/csmwir.../aeon-boirelle
    Extended response here - http://pastebin.com/it8D7kbx
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    Soelent
    (Putting him on the side of FOR Multiboxing, with an * next to his name. Long response, good answers but might be swayed for more restrictions)
    http://pastebin.com/LtH2tcic
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    Sion Kumitomo
    "As I said in my thread, I'm not writing out individual essay questions in evemail. However, as far as multiboxing goes, I have no problem with it at all."
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    Lyonic
    "People should be aspiring to having multiple accounts. Whether for extra mining power, extra ratting power, eyes, cyno's etc. If someone wants to pay for say 5 or so accounts and use a programme to control them all then I dont really see the problem. The real problems lie with highsec."
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    Ryan Farmern
    (I've been told in this thread he's supportive of multiboxing, but I awaiting his response to my questions).
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    Alyxportur
    (He's against Input Duplication but everything else he's solidly in our corner. I am giving him hesitant approval.)
    "My overall opinion: Multiboxing is an asset to EVE and should never be completely removed."
    Entire response - http://pastebin.com/jdrFn3pn
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    Xander Phoena
    Pushed for input duplication removal. Source Capstable Podcast Interview. However he contacted me over twitter to say that "My position is 100% the same as Alyxportur fwiw."
    Therefor, I have placed Xander into the "For Multiboxing with an * Column" and offered for him to provide further clarification on other things like VFX and Round-Robin. Considering his push to get Input Duplication banned while on CSM 9 and since round-robin and VFX can be used instead (with very similar results) I am not yet convinced he will also be for them and JUST against ID. I have offered him a chance to clarify his position which I hope he will take me up on.
    http://capstable.net/2015/02/21/xander-phoena/
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    Tora Bushido
    "After listening to the "Open Comms Show" I've changed my mind. I think you are correct to say that there are many other ways people have an advantage on the other players (plex, websites, etc). Input Duplication and other tools are just one of them. If you want to ban one, you should ban them all. And since I do not want to nerf Eve to death, I rather keep them all."
    Sent via email
    Re: http://show.gamingradio.net/2015/02/...-not-dead-yet/
    (Conversation starts around 1h 45m?)
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    CCP Pelgio
    (he's not running OFC, but I find his commentary spot on) :
    "This is more or less CCP’s stance on multiboxing, if you filed a ticket asking if you can multibox, in a nutshell it says that CCP will never sanction or authorize use of a third party program because we don’t have control over the feature set. That’s why there might be some confusion because there is a sort of grey area. We will action on it if […] This is the stance outlined on the third party policy page on our website. So this is the amount of accounts we have flagged […] ISboxers will frequently contact us because it is a grey area […] We have stats on what ISboxers are doing […] but there’s no standard ISboxer. Peligro's edit: Refer to http://community.eveonline.com/suppo...partypolicies/

    ...So that’s input duplication right? Whether or not that’s a breach of section 6-b is a bit of a grey area, it’s not clear cut. I don’t see us sanctioning it though, but it is something I’d like input from you guys on.

    ...But at the same time, if he makes a mistake that mistake is replicated 40 times, or if he disconnects. We have some stats […] bombers are pretty popular, but the biggest portion is mining. So if you skip to the next one […] Botting accounts get caught pretty early now, the average age now is […] Some people use it because of cpu optimization too, they just use it to run ten windows and don’t use the other options at all. Stealth bombing lends itself to ISboxing pretty well, and is popular amongst suicide gankers too. ISboxers die a lot, they aren’t elite pvpers"

    http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/...nutes_2014.pdf

    Grey Area Response

    June Ting (Slightly in the "For" Column?)
    (Advocates for changing to mechanics it seems)
    "Please see my responses in https://forums.eveonline.com/default...02#post5313102 as to multiboxing and alts."
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    Suzy RC Mudstone (Slightly in the "For" Column?)(Unfair to state he is against all multiboxing, seems ok with input duplication ban but might draw the line there.)
    http://pastebin.com/9D72H7pL
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    Vaari (Slightly in the "For" Column?)
    (Semi on the fence) : "I have no opinion on input duplication. If they allow efficient botting or give advantage in battles, im against them,
    OF course with no number limitations.
    CCP brotherhood say many things. He stated his ideal world, but in my ideal world would not be pirates. Utopia is utopia and will never be reality.
    I dont know enought of this matter to have my own opinion."
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    Janwa Resh
    (He's against Input Duplication but for limited macros. Is a programmer. Seems for multiple account usage to an extent but I can't really decide where he fits in.)
    https://forums.eveonline.com/default...71#post5516471
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    Chance Ravinne
    (He's a word smith, excellent at marketing and certainly a politician when it comes to tough questions. Reading in-between the lines I am gonna place him in the Grey zone but I am almost certain hes "Against" all forms of multiboxing. Sadly his other speaking points would make him a great candidate, its with a heavy heart I place him in the Grey / Against column.)
    http://pastebin.com/A6x80Ze5

    Against Multiboxing

    CoreBloodBrothers
    Pushed for input duplication removal. Source CSM 9 Summer Minutes.
    "We felt with isboxer we where talking too a wall, but CCP came around bigtime. I hate isboxer bomberwings."
    http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/...nutes_2014.pdf
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    CivilWars
    Response from emailed question list - "I oppose input broadcasting as much as I oppose spam mails."
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    Commander Aze
    "good question and no I don't support key duplication across accounts. I think it promotes a play style that one person can be their own fleet. Removing from the true multiplayer aspects t of the game. Sent via mobile phone so this might not come out well. Thank you commander aze"
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    Aiwha
    (incredibly insightly commentary, he's highly recommended)
    "Its bad. Its gamebreaking. You should stop doing it."
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    Jenshae Chiroptera
    (confusing statements but he's pretty much against most current forms of multiboxing)
    https://forums.eveonline.com/default...13#post5437013
    but then writes
    "If you can ALT+Tab then control your characters, that is fine and ...... maybe some very specific instances of mapping keys from one keyboard to another computer or client but they would be keys unique to each client and this would then cut down the available keys per client for each one you run; reducing possible commands, not having timed broadcasts and having an inherent cost to benefit ratio."
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    Sabriz Adoudel
    (Against Input Duplication, "advanced" keyboards, ISBoxer, Autohotkey and anything else that "provides significant in-game bonuses to people based upon their computer hardware"
    Full Response here - http://pastebin.com/KjprzAyy

    Last edited by shadowandlight : 02-26-2015 at 12:28 PM

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    Ryan Farmern is our CEO and has good knowledge of multiboxing in Eve. My vote is for him x 12 before my accounts expire.
    “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
    Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
    Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
    Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
    Epicurus

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    Holy Christ I hate politics

    Polarizing....constituents....hmph my only love for politics is Kevin Spacey in house of cards

    That forum post is enlightening

    I like his style, and for usual reasons the vast majority of idiocy in that forum post wants to see him burn

    At this point, as far as I can tell, aside from the few multiboxers who are still holding a grudge on ccp for input duplication changes, the rest have (hopefully) accepted CCP's stance on input duplication and now just want more....guidance? A clear communication that multiboxing manually won't suddenly spawn drop banhammers

    The complete lack of ccps communication has a feeling of impending doom

    First time ive voted in CSM, will vote for him when my accounts get unbanned if I bother resubbing

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    I'm trying to find other candidates who support multiboxing / using isboxer etc.

    No one mentions in their CapStable interviews. I'll start reaching out directly to people.

    I personally want them to roll back the input duplication ban AND/OR provide very clear answers to what is allowed and not allowed. The feature set for ISBoxer is extremely well documented, it would be very easy for them to say what is and what isnt allowed.

    Furthermore, why CCP wont let player's share their responses from GM mails is completely ridiculous.

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    pretty big update, a few CSM candidates responded plus I digged through NosyGamers CSM Wire and found a few more.
    https://sites.google.com/site/csmwire/

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    Wanna earn your customer's respect? Go to bat for them. Defend them and what they do. Don't roll over on command, and don't punish them for being human beings. And no, this ain't aimed at CCP.

    Keep pretending you care about EVE ISBoxers and not just their money, Lax.

    Come hang out with us in the channel "Isboxers Lounge" and discuss fittings, doctrines, or just shoot the breeze. Unlike the forums, we won't ban you for what you say. IGN: "AayJay Crendraven" and "Nolak Ataru".

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    added a few more candidate responses

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    Quote Originally Posted by bugme143 View Post
    So you could say her position has...evolved?
    Now playing: WoW (Garona)

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadowandlight View Post
    I'm trying to find other candidates who support multiboxing / using isboxer etc.


    I personally want them to roll back the input duplication ban AND/OR provide very clear answers to what is allowed and not allowed. T
    Furthermore, why CCP wont let player's share their responses from GM mails is completely ridiculous.
    Can't comment on the input duplication since it is completely CCP's choice and they have no reason to facilitate that change back for us

    However, the clear answers is mandatory

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ughmahedhurtz View Post
    So you could say her position has...evolved?
    Nah, I was just laughing at her going on and on about "being more in contact" and then looking at what they did to FunkyBacon (tl;dr: created separate skype room without him and then blamed him for not "being there").

    Also: Aeon is an incursioner (From Helix, IIRC) and might be a multiboxer. It's been a while since I've seen him in-game, so I may be wrong.
    Wanna earn your customer's respect? Go to bat for them. Defend them and what they do. Don't roll over on command, and don't punish them for being human beings. And no, this ain't aimed at CCP.

    Keep pretending you care about EVE ISBoxers and not just their money, Lax.

    Come hang out with us in the channel "Isboxers Lounge" and discuss fittings, doctrines, or just shoot the breeze. Unlike the forums, we won't ban you for what you say. IGN: "AayJay Crendraven" and "Nolak Ataru".

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