The Banned thread

[EaTCarbS]

How exactly would they determine you're using vidfx to begin with? From their end it is indistinguishable from alt-tabbing.

[shadowandlight]

if your too good they just ban you, that appears to be how it shakes out

[Tool of Society]

So I'm using a third party program (windows 7) to alter the appearance of the game environment content. So I'm breaking the rules now by playing in windowed mode? Holy shit no wonder they didn't want to draw a line or even discuss this. CCP's stance is fucking insane.

Apparently high 6 minute low 7 minute ticks are fine for vanguards.


CCP doesn't seem to realize they aren't the only option anymore when it comes to space combat mmos.

There's so many free GOOD MMOs I've begun considering quitting before I become the next ban.

So who's up for reporting everyone in game for having an unfair advantage? IT's not fair you started playing the game before I was able to which caused you to have more SP then me. It's not fair you had more isk invested in your ship in our fight!!!

My god what a mess.

[thedevilyouknow]

If you're too good, and they ban you, does that mean those that use local overlays and are too good at pvp also get banned?

Also shadow, you've been using vfx, round robin and rollover yes?

[shadowandlight]

If you're too good, and they ban you, does that mean those that use local overlays and are too good at pvp also get banned?

Also shadow, you've been using vfx, round robin and rollover yes?

for bombers ive been using rollovers and vfx, I could use round-robins but rollovers are faster in some situations

[MiRai]

Let's see Lax and the CSM try to spin THIS one!

Spin what? His prior post on the matter seemed to be pretty spot on:

Players and GMs cannot be expected to tell the difference between input broadcasting, round-robin, video fx with rollover, etc. If you're being observed and look too efficient, they're going to temp ban you. And when your excuse is to show them your uber-clever workaround of the rules "hey I'm not broadcasting, I'm using round-robin" blah blah, they can't verify it and really don't care. All they have to do is agree with the reporting player that an unfair advantage is gained, regardless of your methodology, and temp ban you.

[bugme143]

Spin what? His prior post on the matter seemed to be pretty spot on:

Except we were promised explicitly that they had the means to differentiate between the three and would only target input duplication/broadcasting. If a GM doesn't give a shit about the game he was hired to police, he should quit or be fired. We the players have sunk time, money, and effort into this game, and we're supposed to be OK with what may be some Indian call center rent-a-GM who wishes he was back at home instead of at work? I don't buy it.

As for "unfair advantage", we've had this discussion millions of times in the weekly GD threads of the people crying about "wah my kitchen sink noob incursion fleet lost a contest with a super-bling super skilled isboxer", "wah someone mined 'my' minerals in the asteroid belt", "wah my AFK hauling freighter with 20b worth of blue loot and deadspace modules got ganked in Niarja", and my personal favorite, "wah my fleet was sitting on a planet 100% AFK with no scouts and we got bombed".

[thedevilyouknow]

As for "unfair advantage", we've had this discussion millions of times in the weekly GD threads of the people crying about "wah my kitchen sink noob incursion fleet lost a contest with a super-bling super skilled isboxer", "wah someone mined 'my' minerals in the asteroid belt", "wah my AFK hauling freighter with 20b worth of blue loot and deadspace modules got ganked in Niarja", and my personal favorite, "wah my fleet was sitting on a planet 100% AFK with no scouts and we got bombed".

There is a theme here
If you are TOO good, at controlling multiple accounts, you will be banned

I.e. if, as you say, but time, money and effort into EVE and work extremely diligently, and eventually compete against a group of other players, drunk, messing around and putting in 10% effort, and you beat them in whatever way, you will be banned

If they cannot differentiate between the three, then we have a problem, also have a problem where if there is a "Indian call center rent-a-gm" who receives X amount of petitions on certain characters, and auto bans them, then any multiboxer who was previously banned will receive a permanent ban and be done with the game.

Bottom line is, we have no leverage and are expendable
CCP has inadvertently shaken consumer confidence - that is an undeniable fact regardless of whether you have been banned or not, as logically, if you see a governing force of any description, suddenly change its ways, or penalize a population for previously unstated reasons then yes you should be worried.

Also this poem comes to mind, for some reason...

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article....uleId=10007392

[Mosg2]

@all
As others have previously said, the situation is basically "If you're too efficient then you're going to get temp banned." I don't know what their metric is for pvp. The real question, even though it's rhetorical, is "Does it matter?"

You could get temp banned at any point. It will take them 2-3 weeks to process your request to have it lifted. Then you could get banned again for being too efficient. I don't know about you, but I prefer a little bit more stability and regularity in my game-play. Shrug.

[thedevilyouknow]

shame mosg, i love all your setups, should be part of eve porn on reddit

Personally for my ban, i got a reply literally 1 day before it ran its full course
So 1 day - infinity for a permanent ban

I petitioned for CCP's renewed stance on videoFX because they like to change things

Also might see if i can get the first ban lifted from my accounts
Which i hear some people have tried

I don't like the idea of a "efficiency wall" that is also invisible - so don't use round robin or rollovers, the gm response mosg got is legit

As long as i get a green light on VideoFX that leaves a small window of hope, but stil lweary of signing up more accounts

@mosg what game will you play now?