C5 WH - Ishtar, VNI, Domi, or Tengu?

[LordsServant]

I wonder... Same lordsservant that did the phoenix subcap dunking vids?

Hello

[LordsServant]

Looking at the drone proteus idea, I got to thinking what would be cheaper or w/e, but still outtank the ishtar.

More Tank, Slightly Less Dps:

[Prophecy, cheapFleet]
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Corpii A-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Corpii A-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II


[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]


Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II


Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II


Hammerhead II x2
Hobgoblin II x1
Gecko x1

Mids can be w/e u want.

[Myrmidon, wspace]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Internal Force Field Array I
Corpii A-Type Adaptive Nano Plating


Drone Navigation Computer I
Drone Navigation Computer I
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link, Optimal Range Script
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link, Optimal Range Script
Medium Micro Jump Drive


Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Link Augmentor I
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]


Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump II


Gecko x1
Gecko x1
Ogre II x4

less tank, more dps. I fleshed the mids out for speed/application.

Considering their relative cheapness you could roll faction DDAs on them and still be cheaper than proteus, depending.

Alternatively, for t3s....

[Tengu, wspace]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System


Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
EM Ward Amplifier II
EM Ward Amplifier II
Explosive Deflection Amplifier II
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
EM Ward Amplifier II


Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile


Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II


Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers




124k ehp before bonuses or w/e, fully passive.

You can strip the rigs for application and still pack 75k ehp before bonuses.

597 dps w/fury, about 500 with faction.

No implants or w/e...which is a possibility unlike with drones where u dont have implants to buff ur dps etc etc.

Problem with missiles is ensuring all chars have same skills, as u dont want misaligned reload times.

Just a few thoughts I had this morning...

[K'man]

Wow this is all really great feedback.

I wish that I kept some of my alts that I got rid off. I sold off 22 of my alts thinking I was gonna take a break as for about a year I had 22 alts and nothing to do and sporadic playtime because of RL stuff I thought I was going to take a small break. But now I am down to just my main K'man and my 4 new alts I just created over the weekend.

I am highly interested in re-creating my monthly flow of isk while I determine what I can do to wreck havoc on those I deem interesting enough to mess with. I liked the 4 domi setup in c5 wh so that is what I am training my 4 alts to do right as I type this. I will be setting up 8 alts for PI in a another lower class wh for some decent but not so great income.

Mosg2 can you post in this thread your latest video you were speaking of?

I also mentioned a couple of times that if any of you got room in your corp and may be willing I can move my small team over so I can learn the ropes of multiboxing and using isboxer. Keep in mind that my 4 alts are only a couple days old so it'll take a few months till I can actually do anything.

[Crayonbox]

The video he most recently uploaded is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jjridfGJMM

[TheHamburglar]

I updated the sticky with the videos, Let me know if i'm missing any by anyone else that might be helpful

[Mosg2]

Well, depending on how much startup cash you have and what skills your main has... You can fly a decent Navy Apocalypse in a week, and 10 of those plus 1 logi will wreck incursions. It's not 2 bil pimped Nightmares, but it's still pretty good

[K'man]

Well, my main pilot has 207 mill sp as of today. Pretty well rounded. As I am writing this I only have 4 alts not even 3 days old. I highly considered running incursions as I watched a couple videos of them being multiboxed but I could never figure out the fitting on the navy apoc or the ships that were used.

Thank you for the feedback as it has been very useful and this thread probably answers a lot of peoples questions especially mine. The videos are a bonus and are very helpful.

[K'man]

Mosg2, I just finished watching your latest video and realized you numbered your alts with 001, 002, etc. Is that important when making sure they are in order? In regards to running incursions does that fleet require a booster? What kind of fitting would you suggest running with the Navy Apoc? Guardians for logistics? 4/2 setup?

[Mosg2]

If I were going to run 10 man Incursions, I would run 10 Navy Apocs, an off-grid booster, and 1 Scimitar. You can buy an off-grid booster relatively cheap, same with a Scimitar pilot if you don't have one. Then I'd train them into Nightmares. Running a Nestor and going with armor instead of shields is also an alternative.

No, having my characters with numbers at the end of their names was a conceit to being OCD, not for gaming purposes

[Crayonbox]

I never bothered with incursions, is it really that good for isk / hour? i know everyone does it because it is, but competing against those incursion groups just sounds like a pita