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    Default Focusless, targetless, 'leaderless' (FTL) setup.

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    First of all, full credit goes to Deceased for this. He came up with the idea and the method for doing it, I merely copied and adapted it to my own use, but now I want to write it out in complete detail for everyone else to use. The original thread I read it in is here. But I think this amazing setup deserves its own thread and a more complete writup, so here it is.

    What can this setup do:

    - Doesn't use either Focus or Target for assisting or following, leaving these for other uses.
    - Allows seamless main switching without anyone dying or having a different macro per character, can be done in combat.
    - Each character is always set up for solo play.
    - Very easy to recover from the death of your current main.

    Now, this is going to be a long read, and it looks pretty damn complicated at first, I know. It took me the better part of a weekend to get around it and implement it. But its well worth it.

    The following guide outlines the setup in keyclone, other programs have their own methods of setting this up.

    So how does this work? I'm gonna give the example of 5 shammies, because my setup is close to this (4x shammies and a pally) and its probably the easiest to understand.

    Lets say you have 5 shammies, ToonA, ToonB, ToonC, ToonD, ToonE.

    Now lets say you want to do a lightning bolt on some toon, and have the rest do a lightning bolt on said toon's target.

    You bind the lightning bolt to whatever you want on each toon, lets say the "2" key, then make a separate macro bound to some unused key, lets use the "]" key.

    You then make the following hotstrings, you'll need 5 per character per spell.

    ToonA:

    2 --> LBAT
    Ctrl-alt-] --> LBBT
    Alt-Shift-] --> LBCT
    Ctrl-Alt-Shift-] --> LBDT
    Ctrl-] --> LBET

    ToonB:

    Ctrl-Shift-] --> LBAT
    2 --> LBBT
    Alt-Shift-] --> LBCT
    Ctrl-Alt-Shift-] --> LBDT
    Ctrl-] --> LBET

    ToonC:

    Ctrl-Shift-] --> LBAT
    Ctrl-alt-] --> LBBT
    2 --> LBCT
    Ctrl-Alt-Shift-] --> LBDT
    Ctrl-] --> LBET

    ToonD:

    Ctrl-Shift-] --> LBAT
    Ctrl-alt-] --> LBBT
    Alt-Shift-] --> LBCT
    2 --> LBDT
    Ctrl-] --> LBET

    ToonE:

    Ctrl-Shift-] --> LBAT
    Ctrl-alt-] --> LBBT
    Alt-Shift-] --> LBCT
    Ctrl-Alt-Shift-] --> LBDT
    2 --> LBET

    Notice that the 2 goes down the list on each character.

    Bound to ], ingame on each toon, you need the following macro (3 lines total):

    /target [mod:ctrl,mod:shift,nomod:alt,target=ToonA]
    [mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=ToonB]
    [mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl,target=ToonC]
    [mod:ctrl,mod:alt,mod:shift,target=ToonD]
    [mod:ctrl,nomod:alt,nomod:shift,target=ToonE]
    /cast [target=targettarget,harm] Lightning Bolt
    /targetlasttarget

    And bound to 2 you can just drag the lightning bolt spell from the spellbook, or use whatever macro you would use if that toon was your main or for solo play.

    So what have we done here?

    If you target something on ToonA and hit 2, you start casting lightning bolt on ToonA as you would during solo play. You also send out a LBAT (stands for Lightning Bolt toonA Target btw) hotstring to each of your other toons. So they recieve Ctrl-Shift-], which hits their macro with the Ctrl and Shift modifiers down, which makes the macro target ToonA, so they assist ToonA.

    If you did the same thing on ToonD, for example, each clone would get Ctrl-Alt-Shift-], which makes the macro assist ToonD.

    So you've just made your toons assist your active character without setting anything up prior to shooting off that lightning bolt, and without a macro having to choose which toon to assist in a specific order.

    You can then use this setup for any other spell that requires assisting. Note you don't need all of this for non-targetted spells, for example totems or AoE spells.

    Why is this useful?

    This takes away the idea of a set Main character. Whichever window is currently active when you press your buttons all other toons assist automatically.

    I'll give another example, for the follow macro:

    My follow key is set to ` (key to the left of 1), with its hidden macro key being O.

    So I then have the following keymaps and macros:

    ToonA:

    ` --> FOA
    Ctrl-alt-O --> FOB
    Alt-Shift-O --> FOC
    Ctrl-Alt-Shift-O --> FOD
    Ctrl-O --> FOE

    ToonB:

    Ctrl-Shift-O --> FOA
    ` --> FOB
    Alt-Shift-O --> FOC
    Ctrl-Alt-Shift-O --> FOD
    Ctrl-O --> FOE

    ToonC:

    Ctrl-Shift-O --> FOA
    Ctrl-alt-O --> FOB
    ` --> FOC
    Ctrl-Alt-Shift-O --> FOD
    Ctrl-O --> FOE

    ToonD:

    Ctrl-Shift-O --> FOA
    Ctrl-alt-O --> FOB
    Alt-Shift-O --> FOC
    ` --> FOD
    Ctrl-O --> FOE

    ToonE:

    Ctrl-Shift-O --> FOA
    Ctrl-alt-O --> FOB
    Alt-Shift-O --> FOC
    Ctrl-Alt-Shift-O --> FOD
    ` --> FOE

    You won't be binding anything to ` on any of the clients, and have the following macro bounded to O (3 lines total):

    /target [mod:ctrl,mod:shift,nomod:alt,target=ToonA]
    [mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=ToonB]
    [mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl,target=ToonC]
    [mod:ctrl,mod:alt,mod:shift,target=ToonD]
    [mod:ctrl,nomod:alt,nomod:shift,target=ToonE]
    /follow
    /targetlasttarget

    This would follow whichever toon's window was active when you pressed the ` button.

    As you can see, basically identical to above, but you need a separate set of hotstrings for each ability.

    The hotstring naming convention (which again, Deceased gets credit for) is just used to keep everything organised (I have about 30 hotstrings per character now). First two letters are the spell, last two are the target.
    So FOllow toonA, Lightning Bolt toonC's Target, etc.

    As you see, this leaves your Focus free to do other stuff, like be in charge of sheeps and other CC, or to watch for an interrupt. Also, since each macro includes a /targetlasttarget line at the end, you get your Target unitID free for your clones to do what you will with. Every time you cast a spell, your clones target you for a split second and go back to their old target (or to no target if they weren't targetting anything). You can use this like you would focus, so can set your mages to have focus as sheep targets and targets as counterspell targets, etc. I think it's best in arenas for just having every character target a different person of the opposite team, thereby confusing them.

    My clones typically never target a thing, unless I have something special in mind.

    Using this setup, pitbull with alphabetized party members and having my UI look the same on all toons, I can switch between mains using a PiP hotkey and continue playing without ever changing a thing. In fact, I often forget which character I'm playing. You can seamlessly switch mains without your toon dying and a macro deciding who your next main should be.

    One use of this is for arenas, changing mains every match or even mid-match would certainly confuse the other team.

    Another is for drop quests, I finish it on toonA, then PiP change to toonB and loot everything on him, etc.

    If a team member dies, you can just mouse over or PiP to a different screen (doesnt matter which screen) and continue playing like nothing happened. Assisting doesn't depend on hitting your follow key anymore.

    Also, if you're just solo playing you don't have to change a thing, as your main abilities are already there for use without any assist macros.

    Note about round robin: To use round-robin for targetted abilites (eg earthshock) you now need to use the macro'd one, rather than the keyclone one. As in, make a macro with a castsequence of staggered earth shocks.

    Regarding healing macros, using pitbull with alphabetized party members and "show self in group", you can set the same macros on each toon (if they all have healing spells), and it'll look the same no matter which toon you're controlling.

    In battlegrounds, this setup will work fine for following and dpsing, but if you want to see all your toons you have to arrange to be in the same group somehow.

    Notes about macro length: With macaroon or other macro extenders, length isn't a problem. Even without that, you can use /click to link macros together. Set up one big /target macro, then have other macros call it with /click.

    Since you can put the exact spell on your regular bars, this setup still only uses 1 macro per ability, the same as any other setup. If you combine different abilities (eg heal/dps depending on target) then its 2 macros instead of 1.

    I put all the hidden macros on an extra macaroon bar, made it very small and set transparency to 0.

    This setup takes some getting used to. If you mouseover to a different screen for tells or bag management or whatever, you won't be assisting the same person anymore, so will have to retarget on that screen. For example, when you lose a toon to that annoying table outside the scryer Inn, and run him back to your main, you need to have your main window active before hitting the follow key. Hitting it while you're still controling your stray toon will make the rest follow him.

    Troubleshooting: The main problem I found, if you're using a hidden key, make sure nothing is bound to that key, or any modifier combination of that key. If you find something not working, that's usually the problem.

    As before, full credit for this goes to Deceased. He thought everything up, I'm just writing a guide for it.

    Also a big thank you to Keyclone, for an amazing program thats worth many times what I paid for it.
    Last edited by Pocalypse : 10-05-2009 at 12:02 PM Reason: Updated a bit.

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    Very interesting Idea, i may have to try this out this weekend.
    1Priest, 4Mages Qyx, Kwix, Aquix, Cquix, Quixar // 5 Shammies, Quixs, Quixas, Quixbs, Quixcs, Quixds // Quix Inc (Gurubashi PVP)

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    Awesome idea, and you did a good job explaining it. Now if only I weren't so lazy...
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    I hereby nominate Keyclone for the single greatest piece of software of all time.

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    heya m8y great writeup ^^ and thx for adding me into it :thumbsup:

    I'll be adding a few things to this thread at some point so that others can test it out :P (seeing as some ppl are lazyer then me! :P )

    also I'd also like to thank keyclone for helping me through the keymapping stuff u rule m8!



    EDIT1: I think i've found a solution for the 255 character limit with the macros ur using

    for toonA you don't require the first line of targeting, toonB doesn't need the second etc.. so:

    ToonA:

    /target [mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=ToonB]
    [mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl,target=ToonC]
    [mod:ctrl,mod:alt,mod:shift,target=ToonD]
    [mod:ctrl,nomod:alt,nomod:shift,target=ToonE]
    /cast [target=targettarget,harm] Lightning Bolt
    /targetlasttarget

    ToonB:

    /target [mod:ctrl,mod:shift,nomod:alt,target=ToonA]
    [mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl,target=ToonC]
    [mod:ctrl,mod:alt,mod:shift,target=ToonD]
    [mod:ctrl,nomod:alt,nomod:shift,target=ToonE]
    /cast [target=targettarget,harm] Lightning Bolt
    /targetlasttarget

    ToonC:

    /target [mod:ctrl,mod:shift,nomod:alt,target=ToonA]
    [mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=ToonB]
    [mod:ctrl,mod:alt,mod:shift,target=ToonD]
    [mod:ctrl,nomod:alt,nomod:shift,target=ToonE]
    /cast [target=targettarget,harm] Lightning Bolt
    /targetlasttarget

    ToonD:

    /target [mod:ctrl,mod:shift,nomod:alt,target=ToonA]
    [mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=ToonB]
    [mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl,target=ToonC]
    [mod:ctrl,nomod:alt,nomod:shift,target=ToonE]
    /cast [target=targettarget,harm] Lightning Bolt
    /targetlasttarget

    and toonE:

    /target [mod:ctrl,mod:shift,nomod:alt,target=ToonA]
    [mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=ToonB]
    [mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl,target=ToonC]
    [mod:ctrl,mod:alt,mod:shift,target=ToonD]
    /cast [target=targettarget,harm] Lightning Bolt
    /targetlasttarget

    keymaps will be the same, but the only issue there is that you wont be able to simply copy/paste the same macro in for all the toons (ie you'll have to change it slightly for each)

    Will be adding a little more in future ^^

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    this sounds like a great idea, but i dont just want to switch leaders, i need the new leader to switch to my mains screen cause the others are so small i cant see anything on them most of the time.

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    Hotsauce

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    Quote Originally Posted by 'excalibur',index.php?page=Thread&postID=103956#po st103956
    this sounds like a great idea, but i dont just want to switch leaders, i need the new leader to switch to my mains screen cause the others are so small i cant see anything on them most of the time.
    Simply set PiP hotkeys to switch screens, and control whoever you want on your main screen. The others will automatically assist. That's the beauty of this method.

    Quote Originally Posted by '–eceased',index.php?page=Thread&postID=103951#pos t103951
    heya m8y great writeup ^^ and thx for adding me into it :thumbsup:

    I'll be adding a few things to this thread at some point so that others can test it out :P (seeing as some ppl are lazyer then me! :P )

    also I'd also like to thank keyclone for helping me through the keymapping stuff u rule m8!

    Thanks, and I'm looking forward to seeing what else you have to share.

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    Sweetness! *tag*
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    Most useful thread I've read yet, after the "Start Up" threads. I've been looking for a way to do this. I will be spending some time this weekend working on this.

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