Heroics w/ Melee team

[OzPhoenix]

Don't feel bad, Oz - I ran Baron countless times, no horse. And today I only made about 600g in 3 hours of running through HPoS farming trash; no hilt, no BoP epics even, no nothin'. On the plus side, I've now got a route that will let me do 4-6 runs an hour clearing almost all of the trash, so if I ever feel like farming up another I'll have that going for me.

All good... hehe.

Since I can make about 750g, give or take, per Heroic, I just ran those and then bought Hilts for the Rets.

[kate]

Woah, 750g per heroic? What are you doing to get that much?

Off of a full clear of any of the ones I usually can take quickly I only bring in about 400g or so, total. Help me, Obi Wan, for I want to make moola, too!

Edit: On my Prot + 4x ele shaman team I swapped out one of the ele for a resto spec - Holy crap, but it made a HUGE difference. I was trading off quite a bit of DPS to heal previously (no instant heals on elemental shaman) and would wind up overhealing etc. Now I have it so that my 3 elemental's can keep pumping out DPS non-stop while the resto can do about half her former dps and do enough healing to keep everyone healthy. I'm thinking I might actually swap the resto shaman in on my 5x paladin team, too. This might change everything

[OzPhoenix]

Woah, 750g per heroic? What are you doing to get that much?

Off of a full clear of any of the ones I usually can take quickly I only bring in about 400g or so, total. Help me, Obi Wan, for I want to make moola, too!

Edit: On my Prot + 4x ele shaman team I swapped out one of the ele for a resto spec - Holy crap, but it made a HUGE difference. I was trading off quite a bit of DPS to heal previously (no instant heals on elemental shaman) and would wind up overhealing etc. Now I have it so that my 3 elemental's can keep pumping out DPS non-stop while the resto can do about half her former dps and do enough healing to keep everyone healthy. I'm thinking I might actually swap the resto shaman in on my 5x paladin team, too. This might change everything

Ok, the 750g arrives this way.

Let's assume we're doing a 4 boss Heroic, pretty much the average. You also loot everything, trash included, and don't skip bosses. I'll also assume you've already done the first heroic for frost badges. On my realm, Horde, always - and I pretty much mean that literally - have Wintersgrasp too. I'm also assuming you have a chanter in your team.

1. 4 bosses, equals 4 Triumph Badges per toon, equals 20 Triumph Badges total.

2. 4 bosses equals 16 Stonekeeper Shards per toon, equals 80 Stonekeeper Shards total.

3. 4 bosses equals 4 Epics (minimum). 4 Abyss Crystals.

4. Average trash, let's call it 100 mobs. Each mob drops on average say around 40 silver. That's 40 gold.

5. Trash drops, 4-7 greens, sharded into 1 stack of Infinte Dust, plus 2 Shards, plus 2 Greater Essence and usually one Abyss Crystal (all on average).

6. Trash dops in greys whites, adds typically another 25 gold or so.

7. Gold bonus for random being 13.5 gold, times 5, makes another 67 gold roughly.

8. A frozen orb for each Heroic.

Now let's run 5 Heroics like this, at 2.5-3 per hour for 2 hours total time (I tend to go a little slowly, at least in part due to looting everything). We'll have at the end of that:

120 Triumph Badges (20 on each toon)
400 Stonekeeper Shards (80 on each toon)
25 Abyss Crystals
5 stacks of Infinite Dust
1 stack of Greater Essence
10 Shards
125 gold from trash.
335 gold from random bonus.
5 Frozen Orbs.

Total gold so far then is 460.

We downgrade the 120 Triumphs into 120 Heroisms and convert them into Epic Gems. This gives up 12 Epic gems of off-colour (Ametrines, Dreadstones and Eyes of Zul). Average sale price on my realm is 70-90 gold each, so we'll say 80. That's another 960 gold.

Total gold is now 1420 gold.

400 Stonekeeper Shards (80 on each toon) converts to 2 and 2/3 Wintergrasp commendations. That's worth 5,000 Honour, or half a primary colour gem each. These tend to sell for at least 90 gold and typically 100 gold on my realm. But we'll say 90. 90g per toon is another 450 gold, but we do this only every second batch of 5 heroics so that's another 225 gold for this batch.

Total gold is now 1645 gold.

25 Abyss Crystals will sell, on average on my realm for between 35 and 40 gold each. At 40 gold (as much for ease of calculation as anything), that's another 1000 gold.

Total gold is now 2645 gold.

5 Stacks of Infinite Dust, at 40g a stack makes another 200 gold.

Total gold is now 2845 gold.

1 stack of Greater Cosmic Essence (and I'd usually have more than that after 5 Heroics but anyway), is worth another 120 gold.

Total gold is now 3045 gold.

10 Dream Shards, at about 6 gold per shard, gives us another 60 gold.

Total gold is now 3105 gold.

5 Frozen Orbs - here it gets a little funny. Orbs on my realm sell for as little as 15 gold each. However, Eternal Fires tend to sell for as much as 30 gold each. So I convert all the Orbs (using the Orb Trainer outside the Dal AH) into Eternal Fires and sell them - minimum - for 25 gold each.So that's another 125 gold.

Total gold is now 3250 gold.

3250 gold for 5 Heroics, makes 650 gold per Heroic.

It tends to be a little more than that, because I've been conservative in some of my estimates here, and I also haven't included minor gold coming from mining or herbing, and the fairly steady and more important (relative to mining/herb) stream of leather coming from the leatherworker skinning everything he can. Putting up a weeks worth of Heroic running (about 15 I guess) has my auction alt listing 17 stacks of Borean Leather (17 gold per stack for another 289 gold) and 3 stacks of Nerubian Chitins at 60 gold at stack for another 180 gold.

I only AH over the weekends, letting the stuff build up mid-week so, if I ran 10 heroics a night for 4 nights, I'd probably only make around 1600 gold or so, but then come the weekend, my auction alt was list all the stuff I got and he'd rake in another 10-12k gold in AH sales.

This week I did less, so had about 800 gold extra in cash, and AH sales have netted about 4,500 gold so far (it's 8am Sat morning, I listed all the stuff at 7pm Fri night).

[kate]

Hm, I've been using the mats to craft with but I think I'm going to try your approach and see if I can convert things to more gold by just selling 'em raw.

How bizzarre - it cut off a huge chunk of my post! Here's the upshot:

It would probably take me 2 hours to do 5 heroics successfully, assuming I got good luck with the random generator - call it 2.5 hours to be conservative. Horde on my server *never* have WG so that'd take a bit of a chunk out, too. But it's steady, which the hilts are not, and I think I have probably defied the odds by getting 2 hilts in a total of 7 hours farming. Also, farming for them is BORING and then I have to deal with bargain hunters when I try to sell 'em in trade.

I think I'll try a mix of your method and my box-friendly daily routine - in about 3.5 hours I would pull in, maybe 4k assuming I can sell everything, which is nothing to sneeze at.

[OzPhoenix]

Probably the best method of saving gold, is to employ a variety of methods. Heroic farming is pretty good (maybe there's something even better), but do any one activity long enough, and you'll be bored to tears.

I mixed it up too with Argent tournament dailies (those pets, at 40 seals per, will sell well come Cata when no-one wants to hang around Icecrown long enough to buy them), and now, with my gearing complete, I'm also beginning to spend some time doing older-content too.

[kate]

Probably the best method of saving gold, is to employ a variety of methods. Heroic farming is pretty good (maybe there's something even better), but do any one activity long enough, and you'll be bored to tears.

I mixed it up too with Argent tournament dailies (those pets, at 40 seals per, will sell well come Cata when no-one wants to hang around Icecrown long enough to buy them), and now, with my gearing complete, I'm also beginning to spend some time doing older-content too.

You're very right in that mixing is going to be less fatiguing - I'm able to once or twice do something like farm in one spot for 3 hours or so, but for the most part that can only be when I am trying to test something out, refining a process, etc. Once I have it down it just gets boring.

Mixing up dailies (including icecrown) with heroics is working for me - I will queue for the dungeon, if it's one I can't make a dent in we'll just leave and do some dailies until the cooldown runs out, try again, do dailies, etc. It's pretty varied and fun.

[lightstriker]

this has been a helpful thread. Can't let it die. I found a easy way to melee the Devourer. Posted in Strategy thread. http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?t=27299&page=7

There are stands(?) around the dungeon with 4 skulls. There is a big one behind the Devourer. Go around it, hug the wall to the platform. Jump on the stand from the platform. It will not leap with Well of Souls. It will cast Wailing Souls, the laser that sweeps the room, at about 50%. Bubble or jump off and run.

There are 3 variations on this. Its best if you move with the 2 mouse buttons down and just let go after jump.
1. Jump on the stand and aggro.
2. Range aggro. As it comes up the stairs, run and jump. It will go back down, only if you dont let it come all the way back up. I don't know if it will jump to the stand from the platform. I never stay long enougn. I know that it will jump from the floor to the platform.

these 2 never worked for me because a slave will always miss the jump. Whether I tap space 2x or spam it.

3. this is the long way but works.
Set the slaves on the platform ready to jump. Set tank at max distance with range fire ready. Swing the camera facing the hall. Fire aggro, right click to move to the hallway to reset. Quickly switch to slaves, move, jump 1 by 1. Now get the tank back. It will respawn right before the tank jumps.

Then its just tank and spank.
Also, i think because the toons are inside it(clipping?), Wailing Souls will hit no matter which way its facing.

for undergear Trollgore. http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?p=293972#post293972
not that anyone really needs it.

[Zerocool2024]

Thought I would throw in my 2cents...

Been a while since I have been active in the community, just got busy with work. Trying to get back into it

Anyway.

I used to 5box 5 Death Knights through most Heroics back in the day with all of them being a hybrid tank/dps with Frost Presence up with absolutely crap gear. None of them were Hit caped, nor Defense caped, or had any professions.

Really, it was just general knowledge of how to play the class and setting the right macros for most, if not all occasions that can happen in a dungeon. Now that I look back at my play style, macros, gear and such. I have no freaking clue how I pulled half that stuff off. If you just keep a cool head, know the fights, and have the right macros, most any dungeon is doable even ICC raids.