In game element layout and video feeds

[Redbeard]

Good morning,

So after talking about it in game I started messing around with the video fx feed feature of isboxer and it looks like its going to be super helpful for eve online. I just need to figure out how i am going to lay it out which lead me to start thinking about my current layout.

I am running a pretty simple setup with chat windows in the lower left , overview and gang windows taking up the entire right side of the screen.

I wondered (and honestly ive been playing since 2006 and just never thought about it much) if anybody had a drastically different setup than me.

Does anybody care to share a screenshot of what their in game layout looks like?

If you're using the feeds feature, a screenshot of how you have that setup as well would be sweet.

Just throwing it out there.

[tchallawow]

Here's a link to some screenshots off the isboxer forums.

http://isboxer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1226

I'm interested to know application of video feeds for non-farming related events, i.e. incursion etc..

*cough - Kromtor - cough*

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Getting ready to try this out on missions. Still working on getting the repeater stuff noodled out. I can't really use mouse repeater generally as the clicks will also go to my Noctis. Gotta come up with a good strategy. Looks nice for at-a-glance looks at all the alts, though.

http://www.l00py.net/pics/upload/2011/11/07/pwg_high/20111107014708-4c1efa6b.jpg

[tchallawow]

I like the direction you're going Ugh.

how do you control direction of your vessel or does it really matter if you've got the same Overview settings display?

[Redbeard]

Just to give you a heads up.

You have Windows patches to apply.

That is all.

=P

[Ughmahedhurtz]

I like the direction you're going Ugh.

how do you control direction of your vessel or does it really matter if you've got the same Overview settings display?

I usually just have them orbit my main guy.

[Redbeard]

Heres what i am going to try for now:

http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/3135/evesp.jpg

[Duane]

Heres what i am going to try for now:

http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/3135/evesp.jpg

That's a pretty sweet layout.

[tchallawow]

I agree Duane. Looks pretty sweet.


Gotta question though, is there any way to have a "follow" command? I'm so used to Jamba and follow type commands in WOW that I don't or didn't even really think about it.

Secondly, how about mission question sharing?

Thanks. Great thread folks, I'm learning quite a bit by poring over the screenshots.

[Redbeard]

There isnt the same sort of follow command per se. But you can right click on a ship and choose to "keep at X range"... you can also choose to orbit another ship. I am not sure if these are hot keyable or not, ive always just clicked it.

Missions are also different. One character gets a mission. He doesnt share it. However, he can bring other people to help him (as many as he wants). When you turn in the mission you have the option to share your rewards with the other people in your gang or not. So its pretty easy to share the rewards etc.

[Kromtor]

there actually is a type of follow command. on your main guy, assuming he's squad/wing/fleet leader you can click the top left fleet icon and click regroup. this has all the other ships in your fleet either approach or orbit you super close. keep your main guy in motion and they'll stay in motion following you - it's not ideal for all situations but it can save you a lot of clicks when you're trying to converge on a gate or just ball up for whatever reason.

[Redbeard]

Ok so found out you can move the targetting panel and also decided i wanted to pursue some golems after all, so that presented some problems for my first setup.

Here is setup 2.0
http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/3782/eve2m.jpg

Benefits over the last setup:

- Moved all the pertinent stuff to one compact rectangular area. I now have 1 video feed for each character instead of 3. Not sure if there is a performance consideration here but it was sure easier to setup.
- Was able to remove stargates and stations from the overview. This is a personal preference but I dont like all that junk spamming my overview. Since there is more "white space" in my rectangle i can right click and choose the station / gate i want to go to just like i do now on my main screen.
- Instead of relying on watch list I can now see the full stats for each character including their cap which is pretty important. For those of you who dont play this lets me know when somebody who isnt fitted with a permatank setup is about to run out of gas to run his/her defensive modules. The other benefit is you have to manually setup watch list each time you fleet up. Now I dont.
- The targetting pane video feed wasnt very accurate. I am not sure whether it wouldve sufficiently shown 5 targets (which is the max for the ships i am flying right now). I have also accounted enough space for my 2 pilots who are moving towards golems to show all 10 targets (if they happen to have that many).
- Separate screen area / space for separate ship types. My three pilots on the right side of the screen will be flying tengus and focusing on death and destruction. My two ships on the left will also be salvaging. The physical separation will hopefully help me mentally.
- Provided additional overview space for my two pilots who will be looting / salvaging. This will allow me to turn off wrecks in the overview for the pilots on the right who dont care about them (and have a smaller visible overview) and turn it on for the 2 on the left who have a large overview visible.

Thats all I got. Bam.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

I have an idea in mind for tomorrow evening. Should clean things up combined with the tip about realigning the target panel vertically. I'll sleep on it and see if anything else comes to mind.

[Redbeard]

Cant wait to see it.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Round 2.
The second monitor is primarily there for more precise targeting to make sure they're not shooting things they shouldn't be. Target broadcasting just doesn't work very well in EVE with no assist and the way targets change position in the list. I've (for now) adopted the strategy of using broadcast for targeting a bunch of ships (they're close enough in the list to just mass target everything, which is usually the biggest time-waster IMO) and then I verify individual targets and start shooting on each one. With the layout below it's pretty damned trivial to do, especially with the video feeds setup to pass clicks and keys through to the source windows. :D

http://www.l00py.net/pics/upload/2011/11/07/pwg_high/20111107014710-08d5ace5.jpg

[RobinGBrown]

Yeah that looks just about perfect. I was doing some experimenting with key broadcasting a while back and with that and being able to click through to the underlying windows you should have everything you need.

Shame I've stopped playing in a way but them's the breaks. My ikkle laptop wouldn't run more than one instance anyways.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Just for the benefit of folks seeing the screenshot above and wondering what I'm doing with that:

My ISBoxer config: http://privatepaste.com/4bf9a0342e

Things worth noting:

1) I started with your basic 4-man group with 1 alt on the other PC, then moved all 5 to the main. I used the wizard to create it, and selected "Stacked fullscreenish, no swap, avoid taskbar" I think for the window layout.

2) The dxNothing window is just a blank canvas for putting videoFX viewer feeds. (http://isboxer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=1222)

3) I use TAB to turn on global mouse-repeater while held down for clicking certain things. Easier than remembering to turn it back off after using it.

4) I use my thumb button on my mouse to turn on mouse-repeater just for the DPS guys when I want to target things. This allows all modifiers regardless of FTL or other keymap-based modifiers. Setup an Action Target Group with the name, then you can set the repeater target to "dps" or whatever so it only goes to those guys.

5) Because the window layout is stacked, no-swap, you'll need a keybind to switch the main windows for each guy into focus when needed. Up to you which keys to use.

6) Make sure you set your window layout option for "Focus game windows via mouse..." so when you mouseover to the dxNothing and other feeds, it automagically starts sending the keys/clicks immediately. Otherwise you'll have to click it each time you switch before things start working.

For the videoFX stuff, I just switch to each of the 5 DPS guys and add two videoFX sources, one for the target list and one for the modules/shield/etc. Make them the same size and location on each character (the feeds won't be full-size unless all the windows are full-size, thus the "Stacked, no-swap, full-screenish, avoid taskbar layout). Once you have the viewers all set up, go to the dxNothing window on the other monitor and add the videoFX viewers for each of the 4 alts. THen add the 4 viewers to your main character's window for the modules/shield/etc. and that's about it. Just remember what you saved the videoFX stuff as (I named mine "drakes") so you can then load/unload them by pressing a key if desired. This is useful so you can hide them while you're in station to get them out of the way of market and other windows.

Hope that helps. ;) Let me know if you have any questions.

[tchallawow]

Ughma,

Are you using both the Main + Noctis and Alt Character Sets for the above screen or just 1 of them?

[Ughmahedhurtz]

The screenshot only shows the main+noctis character set (which is reallly misnamed now since the noctis is on the alt PC and the 5th DPS is on the main PC. :P

[tchallawow]

ah. understood.

Well.. I've got my video feeds working. but.. how do I "pass through". Example: I'm on my Monitor one w/ Toon 1. Without switching toons, i.e. cntrl f2, cntrl f3 (or however you have it setup), i want to hit a missile on toons 2 - 3 through the video feed I setup on toon 1.

Make sense?

[Ughmahedhurtz]

You need two things for that to work well in the dual-monitor setup I posted above:

1) Set your Window Layouts --> Your layout --> "Focus game windows via mouse without clicking (Focus follows mouse)" This will allow the other monitor to gain focus immediately when you mouse over to it instead of having to click it each time first before it sends keys/clicks.

2) For each feed you want to pass keys/clicks through:
A) enable "Repeater passthru,"
B) enable "+ Keyboard"
C) Set the "Target" dropdown to the original window where the source is located (for is2, set to "2", etc.)
http://www.l00py.net/pics/upload/2011/11/07/pwg_high/20111107014705-989d1ddc.jpg

[Lax]

Hey guys, cool stuff :) Love seeing your ideas

I dunno if you saw it but I posted recently about "Something new" in the General forum (http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?t=45701), and I think people would really like to see your screenshots! I'm the only one who posted EVE stuff so far ;)

Try it out, add your characters and teams if you want, this should hopefully replace "who plays what where" threads like the sticky in this forum

[Ughmahedhurtz]

I would, but I host my own images and can't link them there.

[Lax]

You can link them there now

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Nice. Thanks. :)

Now I've gotta figure out how to video capture 3200x1200 so I can show off how good this works running missions and warping around the universe. :p

[MiRai]

Nice. Thanks. :)

Now I've gotta figure out how to video capture 3200x1200 so I can show off how good this works running missions and warping around the universe. :p
I tried using Camtasia to capture either 1920x2160 or 3840x1080 and it didn't like it. It was quite awhile
ago and I don't remember how I had my monitors set up at the time. I tried to export the video to AVI
instead of editing it in Camtasia and I couldn't get another program to successfully read the video file. I'll
be honest... I didn't put much into trying to get it to work with such a big resolution at the time so it might
be worth another shot. This was pre-Xsplit as well and I don't know if that might be a better choice at this
time.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

CamStudio seems to work OK, though I have no idea how it will look generating 1080p video. It recorded OK but my monitor isn't big enough to display it at native resolution (funny, I can record that but I can't watch it due to limitations in Media Player...go figure).

/wanders off to think about how to best present things....

[d0z3rr]

I have 4 of my clients on a separate computer. Would I be able to use this Feeds feature and control Eve clients on the other computer from my main computer?

[Lax]

I have 4 of my clients on a separate computer. Would I be able to use this Feeds feature and control Eve clients on the other computer from my main computer?
It's currently same PC only

[d0z3rr]

Dang. Are there any features of ISboxer that work across multiple PCs?

If Feeds did, I would snag ISboxer asap (is it even possible?). Just wondering what else would work, though.

[Lax]

Dang. Are there any features of ISboxer that work across multiple PCs?

If Feeds did, I would snag ISboxer asap (is it even possible?). Just wondering what else would work, though.
That's actually one of the only features that wont work on multiple PCs ;)

It is technically possible, and planned but no ETA. Hopefully in 2012.

[d0z3rr]

But the world will end in 2012.

Yeahhhh, if you could speed that along that would be grrrrrreat. In fact, I'm gonna need you to work on it this Saturday, oh and Sunday too. Mmkay?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3446/3874634702_f217c944da.jpg

[Ughmahedhurtz]

So, I actually got the chance to record some video of the setup last night in Enemies Abound 5/5. Wow does this shit work guuuud. Blows things up pronto. :D

http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?p=348585

[tchallawow]

tks for the great video. I'm picking up some great combat tips as well as layout. When getting my Vid fx feeds setup, i didn't provide enough room Drones.

As an aside, is there an option for hotkey, rather than mouseover, for drone management? I see that drone commands are one of the few "combat" related hotkeys/ shortcuts that is available. So shortcuts plus Isboxer equals ??

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Yes, there are hotkeys for drone management but I'm not sure what options are available. I've been doing very well with the mouse broadcasting so far and my experience with keyboard commands did not inspire confidence.

[Grondir]

Now after watching that video feed and seeing how it all 'works' I think I'll pick up ISBoxer again and have a go. Ugh, is there a step by step guide of how you did the setup in your video? I've completely forgotten everything about ISBoxer and am going to struggle how to start up again lol

[d0z3rr]

Now that I finally got video fx and repeater regions working in WoW, I'm super excited to get back to multiboxing eve. Those two features of isboxer is going to make my life so much easier.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Now after watching that video feed and seeing how it all 'works' I think I'll pick up ISBoxer again and have a go. Ugh, is there a step by step guide of how you did the setup in your video? I've completely forgotten everything about ISBoxer and am going to struggle how to start up again lol

Hmm...I thought I did put one in there. Lemme see if I can find it.

[edit] Nope, didn't put steps for setting up the feeds. The blank window (dxNothing) for adding feeds from all the windows is here: http://isboxer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=1222

In a nutshell, what you do is switch to the window/client you want to see a feed FROM, open the in-game GUI, add a videofx source named isSomething, apply it and save as Auto. Then go to your main window/client where you want to put the feed, open the in-game GUI, add a videofx viewer named isSomething, size/position it, apply and save as Auto. If your viewer is bigger than your source, that will just show more of the source window. If your viewer is smaller than your source, it will shrink the source down, making text harder to read, etc.

If you need more info, let me know and I'll write up something more detailed.

[ninja_edit] Why reinvent the wheel? Basically, use this as your starting point (basic videofx setup works the same no matter which game you're using):
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[Grondir]

Cheers matey, I'll give it a go at the weekend and see how I manage :)

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Good luck. PM me if you hit any snags.

[Golum]

Youre layouts look amazing i started the trial yesteday and cant understend how you do those lay outs.
I mean i can set up the regular lay out (like one screen in midle and 4 on the side) but cant set them up like you do whith those FX stuff where you see small windows of mods and overvieuw only from each caracter.
If someone of you could make video from start to the and i bet it will help many of us starters in great vay.

If you do make videos to explain how you do it ty in advance.

[d0z3rr]

Youre layouts look amazing i started the trial yesteday and cant understend how you do those lay outs.
I mean i can set up the regular lay out (like one screen in midle and 4 on the side) but cant set them up like you do whith those FX stuff where you see small windows of mods and overvieuw only from each caracter.
If someone of you could make video from start to the and i bet it will help many of us starters in great vay.

If you do make videos to explain how you do it ty in advance.

This video helped a little bit:
http://isboxer.com/index.php/component/content/article/3-general/100-mirai-video-feed-walkthrough

But mostly it was a lot of confusion, eye strain, excessive cursing, and alcohol that allowed me to set them up successfully.

[Golum]

This video helped a little bit:
http://isboxer.com/index.php/component/content/article/3-general/100-mirai-video-feed-walkthrough

But mostly it was a lot of confusion, eye strain, excessive cursing, and alcohol that allowed me to set them up successfully.

ty so much that did the trick now is q. of experiment.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

If you don't have it already, make sure you update to ISBoxer 40. Several videoFX features (like cropping, etc.) got added that should help you tweak things to your liking.

[Kaytek]

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[MiRai]

Hey guys,

Been horsing around with Isboxer lately. Sorted out the whole Video FX thing. It's pretty simple once you hammer your head on the desk a few times, though the real kicker is remembering to save your layout so that you don't have to recreate it every time...

Anyway, regarding head to desk banging, I can't seem to wrap my head around doing a 'selective' or 'restricted' repeater key. Basically I want to hold down a key (or press an on/off toggle key) that gets the mouse/keyboard repeater thing going only on my dps toons. For the moment I've only got 2 dps battleships and a logi. I realize in hindsight that I could have just used Isboxer for the 2 dps toons and opened a single EVE client normally for the logi but that just doesn't seem as fun now does it? :P

While trying to figure this selective repeater thing, I did manage to create an 'Action Target Group' where I stuck my two dps toons into. I tried some other stuff with the mapped keys but it was too much of a mess to understand. In the end it didn't work :/ Can anyone explain the process please?

Cheers,

Kajtek
You're asking a repeater specific question in a thread related to video feeds.
http://isboxer.com/wiki/FAQ#How_do_I_broadcast_only_to_certain_windows.2C_ and_leave_out_others.3F

[Kaytek]

Thanks MiRai. Sorry for the derp >.<

[PsyberTech]

I have been working to get something up like Ughmahedhurtz has, but with 7 drakes. Finding room for everything is fun, but I have been having problems with VideoFX and dxNothing wondows and getting them to work and continue to work. Working with 3 24" monitors.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

What are they doing, exactly? Remember that you have to save the layout as "auto" (or whatever you want to name them) after every edit to make sure they all load when you log in next time. Strictly speaking, you just have to save layout in each game client window (and the dxNothing window) once when you're done editing.

If it's not named "auto" when you save, you'll have to add a mapped key event to explicitly load whatever name you used when you saved. I've used both auto and a custom name (so I could shut off parts of the videoFX when I'm doing certain things) and I've never had any issues as long as I remembered to save often and load the custom-named layouts when I want them to appear.

[edit] To reiterate, saving your layout in one game client window does NOT save the layout in the other game clients or in the dxNothing window. You MUST save within each window explicitly. (Unless Lax has changed that in the recent versions)

[Lax]

The Save As button, in all of the tabs in the in-game ISBoxer Control Panel, saves for your entire team. If you have to go to each one and click Save As, then you're either confused or there's a bug. I'm sure it's the former, since I've never ever ever switched to each window to save. :)

Also, you can actually use the Load button in the in-game GUI as well if you have some set of Video FX that you rarely use and don't want to set/remember a Hotkey for.

[leroyreborn]

Getting ready to try this out on missions. Still working on getting the repeater stuff noodled out. I can't really use mouse repeater generally as the clicks will also go to my Noctis. Gotta come up with a good strategy. Looks nice for at-a-glance looks at all the alts, though.

http://www.l00py.net/pics/upload/2011/11/07/pwg_high/20111107014708-4c1efa6b.jpg

how did you make that black space on the right to put all the video feeds in with out covering up a game window..

[Ughmahedhurtz]

how did you make that black space on the right to put all the video feeds in with out covering up a game window..

http://isboxer.com/wiki/DxNothing

[leroyreborn]

http://isboxer.com/wiki/DxNothing

sweet thanks that did the trick.. nothing i was doing for search was coming up with what i wanted

[Ughmahedhurtz]

sweet thanks that did the trick.. nothing i was doing for search was coming up with what i wanted
heh...glad to help. I hope this doesn't sound snarky, but I did mention this up in post 17 (http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/45642-In-game-element-layout-and-video-feeds?p=348377&viewfull=1#post348377) when explaining exactly what I was doing. ;)